[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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-Matt

The Modern speculation is people assuming it is going to be a PT/GP/PTQ/large event format. I expect the # of Modern GPs more or less equal to the # Legacy GPs next year. I think we'll see 2-3 Legacy and 3-4 Modern.

Vendilian Clique has really shot up in price recently. I guess any of the decent cards that weren't banned in Modern are going to do this. Jace was going up right before it was announced to be banned and I'm assuming that trend will stop.

Clique is also really, really good right now in Legacy.

I think that the jump has mostly to do with Modern. Ravnica duals are going up a lot right now.

It's time to basically stock up on all great aggro cards that haven't jumped yet: Phyrexian obliterator, aether vial, Knight of the reliquary, tarmo, etc.

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Originally Posted by Justin

I think that the jump has mostly to do with Modern. Ravnica duals are going up a lot right now.

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Damn, Clique is $34 on magiccards.info. It used to be like $10 or $12. When did this happen?

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Originally Posted by hyperchord24

It's time to basically stock up on all great aggro cards that haven't jumped yet: Phyrexian obliterator, aether vial, Knight of the reliquary, tarmo, etc.

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Goyf has jumped.

It's crazy how Clique jumped quickly. It rocks alright, clearly one of if not the single best 3-drop in the game, but I mean 25$+?

I can understand the high prices on things like revised dual-lands, but Clique? Really? Prices are getting stupid. I sure hope this bubble pops soon, or Wizards better starts doing reprints...

I think that the main reason for the jump in prices was when it was announced that Pro Tour Philly was changed to Modern. Players were only given three weeks notice on this. Cards that are expected to be staples in that new format are skyrocketting as a result.

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Originally Posted by Justin

I think that the main reason for the jump in prices was when it was announced that Pro Tour Philly was changed to Modern. Players were only given three weeks notice on this. Cards that are expected to be staples in that new format are skyrocketting as a result.

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Yes, but it is happening to every card. Look at Woodfall Primus. How the fuck is this shitty card $10? That card was worthless until EDH started growing in popularity. It seems as if every format (less so Standard) is warping prices to ridiculous levels.

Ha! I wonder how long before EDH actually prices its target demographic out of the format...

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Originally Posted by majikal

Ha! I wonder how long before EDH actually prices its target demographic out of the format...

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I've been wondering the exact same thing lately.

On another note, I'm surprised KOTR has never gone up in price, it being one of the best creature in Legacy and quite a decent card for EDH and all.

Last thing, I pity the people buying Clique at 25$ and Thoughtseize at 30$. Seems like an extremely poor investment given the possibility of reprints when things go out of hand. Is it just me or it looks like they're reprinting stuff a lot more "aggressively"? Just in the last year, with the Commander precons / DD, we've seen our fair share "good cards" reprinted. For people looking to speculate, the playables on the reserve list seem to be a safer bet... For anything past that, well, you never know!

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Originally Posted by KindGrind

I've been wondering the exact same thing lately.

On another note, I'm surprised KOTR has never gone up in price, it being one of the best creature in Legacy and quite a decent card for EDH and all.

Last thing, I pity the people buying Clique at 25$ and Thoughtseize at 30$. Seems like an extremely poor investment given the possibility of reprints when things go out of hand. Is it just me or it looks like they're reprinting stuff a lot more "aggressively"? Just in the last year, with the Commander precons / DD, we've seen our fair share "good cards" reprinted. For people looking to speculate, the playables on the reserve list seem to be a safer bet... For anything past that, well, you never know!

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I think the people buying Cliques, Thoughtseizes, and Confidants are foolish because early in the format Zoo and Boros are going to steamroll those decks, especially without, Misstep, Jitte and big Jace.

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Originally Posted by HAVE HEART

Look at Woodfall Primus. How the fuck is this shitty card $10?

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lolwut

Grove of the Burnwillows is going through the roof... !

What next?

I understand people don't want to get caught behind the wave, but this is getting completely insane.

Edit: And since when is Pact of Negation selling for 20$?! Terrible timing to be buying these if you're doing so in a Legacy mindset. September is but a few weeks away...

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Originally Posted by KindGrind

Grove of the Burnwillows is going through the roof... !

What next?

I understand people don't want to get caught behind the wave, but this is getting completely insane.

Edit: And since when is Pact of Negation selling for 20$?! Terrible timing to be buying these if you're doing so in a Legacy mindset. September is but a few weeks away...

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First off Pact of Negation is not selling for $20, on Ebay I haven't seen one go over $15 and the average seems to be under $10. TGCPlayer does not indicate the actual price of cards.

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Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes

I think the people buying Cliques, Thoughtseizes, and Confidants are foolish because early in the format Zoo and Boros are going to steamroll those decks, especially without, Misstep, Jitte and big Jace.

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Vendilion Clique was definitely undervalued pre-modern announcement when it was less than $10 a piece. I mean it sees play in Vintage and massive play in Legacy as either a main or side card for any deck that plays islands. What Modern has done is make more people see that the Vendilion Clique was undervalued and now it seems that due to the rise it is now being overvalued (in my opinion) with prices for the regular non foil, non judge at $30+. Vendilion Clique settling between $15-$20 is totally a fair price for what is one of the most amazing creatures blue has to offer but I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes

First off Pact of Negation is not selling for $20, on Ebay I haven't seen one go over $15 and the average seems to be under $10. TGCPlayer does not indicate the actual price of cards.

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Yeah, you're right. It seems to be averaging out between 10-13$ rather than 20$, my bad.

Grove on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by KindGrind

Grove on the other hand...

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No kidding, I was lucky to pick up one (!!!!) before it jumped up to $15. I've heard its upto 15 euros over on the other side of the pond over the weekend. If this card is going to be a key player in Modern, then the new red Leyline might be worth playing.

It's a huge player in Modern considering the Punishing Fires combo still works there and it's actually a decent little combo in Legacy too. I finished my playset of foils just 2 weeks ago when I heard about the Modern thing. I figured I better get them now.

I picked up my 3 at SCG Seattle for 3 bucks each. Thank God.

-Matt

Just a brief round-up of Modern prices:

Thoughtseize - $30
Tarmogoyf - $100
Vendilion Clique - $35
Dark Confidant - $50
Sower of Temptation - $10
Pact of Negation - $20
Horizon Canopy - $10

SOURCE: starcitygames.com at 8:58 pm. central time on August 16, 2011

It would be useful to post both a source, and a timestamp for the query. Otherwise, prices in a vacuum are meaningless.

EDIT:I noticed, thanks. It's useful in case we want to look back over time and laugh and how low the cards were and how foolish we were not to have bought them.

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Originally Posted by rukcus

It would be useful to post both a source, and a timestamp for the query. Otherwise, prices in a vacuum are meaningless.

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Better? (Look up.)

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Originally Posted by RaNDoMxGeSTuReS

Just a brief round-up of Modern prices:

SOURCE: starcitygames.com at 8:58 pm. central time on August 16, 2011

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http://i53.tinypic.com/2egd8xs.jpg

Really, so now SCG determines what cards are actually worth?

Awesome, M12 Flight is worth 15 cent and I have a stack of 100 of them, $15 please.

In other news SCG prices are not what the cards are really worth, they only represent whatever SCG thinks they can sell them for because they are the most visible seller of MTG singles. In other words Pact of Negation may be worth $20 to SCG because 1 in 10,000 magic players may pay that price but to everyone not SCG or not buying them from SCG they are worth about $10-$12 at the moment

Prices on Grove of the Burnwillow also goes up to ~15€ on magiccardmarket...
Good god, I just told my buddies to buy them on friday for 4€ a piece...now they are bitching around :D

This is getting absurd. Do you think WotC is losing money because their cards have become so expensive. This question's probably been answered before.

Because of these price increases, I've decided that if there's a card I may use for a deck I might want to make, I buy it. Later on, if I really want the card (and never bought when I kind of wanted it) it'll proabably be more expensive.

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Originally Posted by hyperchord24

This is getting absurd. Do you think WotC is losing money because their cards have become so expensive. This question's probably been answered before.

Because of these price increases, I've decided that if there's a card I may use for a deck I might want to make, I buy it. Later on, if I really want the card (and never bought when I kind of wanted it) it'll proabably be more expensive.

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Your right this is getting a little absurd but thats the nature of a bubble. Just remember folks modern was going to be the "affordable eternal format".

We were just talking about this last night. Shock duals are ridiculous. Why would I trade 1 Taiga for 2 Stomping Ground? I'd rather be lashed, it's just so terrible.

Modern is priced now what Legacy was like 2 years ago. How do they expect the prices to go down unless they reprint Goyf as un-Timeshifted in Innistrad, and reprint the duals and Confidant in Innistrad/Return to Ravnica?

-Matt

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Originally Posted by sdematt

We were just talking about this last night. Shock duals are ridiculous. Why would I trade 1 Taiga for 2 Stomping Ground? I'd rather be lashed, it's just so terrible.

Modern is priced now what Legacy was like 2 years ago. How do they expect the prices to go down unless they reprint Goyf as un-Timeshifted in Innistrad, and reprint the duals and Confidant in Innistrad/Return to Ravnica?

-Matt

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...and then reprint Grove in Shake, and then reprint Vendilion Clique in a precon, and then reprint cards like Knight and Heirarch that will probably be the next to go up in some return to Alara set, and then reprint Mental Misstep and Ancestral Visions when you realize it was stupid to ban them in the first place and unban them which apparently 4x's their price overnight in an eternal format even if they are not playable, then reprint...

Meh, fuck it, just play Legacy. Pay about 3x what you would pay for a shockland set now and never have to buy another dual land ever again. Then in 2 years when they reprint shocklands and people are crying that they are worth 1/4 of what they are now like they didn't know this was going to happen your duals will be worth more than what you paid.

Seriously this is exactly what I said would happen so far. The price for Modern staples is buzzing around Legacy price ranges, which makes sense for an Eternal format. The format is now too expensive for many of the people who wanted it because Legacy is "too expensive." Now WotC can either crash the value of all the cards one buy one and burn everyone who actually cared enough about the format to pay full price for them causing many to leave, or they can hold back on reprinting cards just for the sake of keeping prices low and less people will join the format. Most likely we will see reprints at some point of obvious stuff like Goyf (futureshifted after all) and every land from shock to futureshifted, but I wouldn't hold my breath for Confidant and Clique, both of which were recently judge foils, to come back any time soon, especially in a Standard legal set. I think most Modern rares in that price range will instead become selling points one day for FTV sets.

I traded my Clique for about 7 bucks' worth of commons and uncommons just before the announcement. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes

...and then reprint Grove in Shake, and then reprint Vendilion Clique in a precon, and then reprint cards like Knight and Heirarch that will probably be the next to go up in some return to Alara set, and then reprint Mental Misstep and Ancestral Visions when you realize it was stupid to ban them in the first place and unban them which apparently 4x's their price overnight in an eternal format even if they are not playable, then reprint...

Meh, fuck it, just play Legacy. Pay about 3x what you would pay for a shockland set now and never have to buy another dual land ever again. Then in 2 years when they reprint shocklands and people are crying that they are worth 1/4 of what they are now like they didn't know this was going to happen your duals will be worth more than what you paid.

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You're entirely right.

Make no mistake: they WILL reprint the crap out of those staples, that's a fact. On the other hand you have a writer on CFB, doing a roundup of recent price hikes, that's making people wonder if it's the right time to unload duals. Clearly selling your duals now to buy into Modern (even if the format does get popular) has got to be one of the most retarded pieces of advice ever, all things considered.

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Originally Posted by KindGrind

You're entirely right.

Make no mistake: they WILL reprint the crap out of those staples, that's a fact. On the other hand you have a writer on CFB, doing a roundup of recent price hikes, that's making people wonder if it's the right time to unload duals. Clearly selling your duals now to buy into Modern (even if the format does get popular) has got to be one of the most retarded pieces of advice ever.

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I disagree with them reprinting the staples as a fact. Granted this is uncharted territory with Modern likely replacing Extended, but when has WotC ever reprinted something just to keep its price down? I mean how many years have people been begging for reprints of things like Wasteland and Force, hell some people have been waiting for reprints of Force for a decade now. $40+ cards are rare but certainly not unheard of in Standard and this is an Eternal format we are talking about. Once people buy into Modern they don't have to buy back into it every year like Standard or Extended. I think we'll see reprints of expensive cards every once in a while (pretty much like we do now) but to think that WotC is going to rush to reprint everything over $20 in a format that never rotates is actually pretty laughable. I say the lands are all going to get reprinted to shit within the next 2 years and continually from there on out. Lands were the #1 complaint of the price of Legacy, so I think that is where WotC is going to make Modern stand out. I certainly wouldn't put my money on Clique and Confidant being reprinted in the next 2 years, Tarmogoyf is a little different, since he goes in absolutely every green deck and he was future shifted. I think if the lands were cheaper it certainly wouldn't be too much of a stretch to ask people to buy a playset of a $50 card and maybe a playset of $20 cards and the rest of the deck is under $10 a card in an Eternal format.

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Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes

I disagree with them reprinting the staples as a fact. Granted this is uncharted territory with Modern likely replacing Extended, but when has WotC ever reprinted something just to keep its price down?

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Knight of the Reliquary? Stoneforge Mystic? I think it's pretty much expected they will actively reprint Modern staples because it it supposed to be the affordable Eternal format and it doesn't have a reserved list. Whether or not they do reprints in timely fashion, we will see.

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Originally Posted by keys

Knight of the Reliquary? Stoneforge Mystic? I think it's pretty much expected they will actively reprint Modern staples because it it supposed to be the affordable Eternal format and it doesn't have a reserved list. Whether or not they do reprints in timely fashion, we will see.

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Expected by fools. I mean some cards are extremely playable and haven't been reprinted in 12+ years and still are under $50. Also when WotC calls Modern an "affordable" eternal format they are comparing it to Vintage and Legacy, and only because the price of Legacy will continue to climb unchecked. One day an Underground Sea will be worth $200 and Watery Grave will be $10-12, if you have to pay $400 for a playset of Confidants, Thoughtsiezes, and 2-3 Cliques you are still building the most expensive 1/4 of your deck for the price of 2 of the lands in Legacy.

It reminds me of all the "collectors editions" comics in the 90s.

A friend asked me the other day if I felt bad about not holding onto my rav duals since the new format was comming out. I just laughed and pointed out that for what a playset is going for these days I could buy quite a few real duals.

Time, effort, money. Getting into an eternal format takes at least two. If modern takes off (and thats still a big if imo) it wont be any different.

If Wizards plans to actually support modern with reprints they really need to announce how quickly. Popping the bubble now is going to be a lot less painful than popping it in 6 more months the way things are going.

They won't reprint cards to keep prices down, except Rav duals as one blogger pointed out. They will do this to separate modern from Legacy. Since the Dual lands represent the current problems with modern Legacy. They are attempting to distinguish Modern from Legacy as much as they can. Notice they weakened or banned all the great decks (except zoo) in Modern. They want new archetypes to emerge.

Anyway Here's why they won't rush to reprint Goyf, Confidant, Clique in a nutshell. One word - Money.

Standard is their cash cow. If they made modern "too affordable" then there is no reason to play standard. Think about it. Would you play standard if you could play an affordable modern deck that never rotated.

Modern like legacy is supposed to reward players, who have played the game over the course of years. Remember, Magic is still a "collectible" card game. This might make some of you angry. But Wotc knows that the value of cards is one of the reasons people play and buy cards. Admit it, some part of you jumps for joy when you open a bomb mythic or rare that's worth something on the secondary market.

Modern was created to give Wotc some control over the reserved list and correct their mistakes in fell swoop. In my opinion, Modern is a mistake and they should have supported Legacy, standard and limited. But I digress.

I just traded 4 shocklands and some random EDH stuff for a Revised Tundra and a Karakas. Thank you, Modern.