Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by sawatarix
glgl, hope you get paired against Elves all the way to the top 8! If you have time, take notes on the trial so you can include it in a report!
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Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by sawatarix
glgl, hope you get paired against Elves all the way to the top 8! If you have time, take notes on the trial so you can include it in a report!
I just went 3-1 in a small local tournament, winning against Grixis Tempo, Elves, Burn and loosing to the new Ur Delver list with Treasure Cruise.
My board was:
3 Chain of Vapor
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Tendrils of Agony
2 SDT
2 Massacre
1 ETW
2 Xantid Swarm
I wanted to try out the Grinding Station plan against Miracles but fortunately I didn't get paired against them.
Nonetheless, I hope that our dear Kai will have a better story to tell at the end of the day.
3-0 at LGS tonight. I'll post my sideboarding for critique:
4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Duress
4 Brainstorm
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Grim Tutor
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
SB: 2 Sensei's Divining Top
SB: 4 Abrupt Decay
SB: 3 Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 2 Massacre
SB: 3 Xantid Swarm
Boarding VS UG 12-Post:
-1 Sensei's Divining Top
-2 Preordain
-1 Duress
-1 Cabal Therapy
+3 Xantid Swarm
+2 Chain of Vapor
Boarding VS Esper Stoneblade
-1 Duress
-1 Cabal Therapy
-2 Preordain
-1 Cabal Ritual
-1 Lotus Petal
+2 Chain of Vapor
+1 Massacre
+2 Sensei's Divining Top
+1 Xantid Swarm (was feeling spicy!)
Boarding VS Painter's Stone
+3 Chain of Vapor
+2 Sensei's Divining Top
+1 Empty The Warrens
-2 Preordain
-3 Cabal Therapy (so hard to blind call VS this deck)
-1 Tropical Island
critiques!?
Hey there Brett.
Looks solid. Only things I noticed was against painter: I'd prefer to side in Decay over Chain of Vapor here. Chain of Vapor gets countered by their 6+ blasts. Yes, if they resolve a painter then our trop can get blasted, but I also bring in removal because they often bring in Thorn of Amathyst or Revoker and we need to reliably be able to remove these, particularily the former.
Also, in this matchup I think I'd be looking to avoid Empty the Warrens. The most crudely drawn guideline I have with Empty is to not use it against other combo decks. Any deck that can go from zero to sixty in one turn and kill you out of nothing is not where you want to be making 10-12 goblins and then give them another 2 turns to find their missing piece.
Now this is coming from someone who plays Empty in his maindeck so I'm not a hater of the card, quite the contrary. But I would be siding it out against painter.
Hi! Today i've gone 4-0 in my LGS:)
I didnt expect any death and taxes but some miracles, so i changed 3 dread of night and 1 massacre for 4 young pyromancers :tongue:
My sideboard has been this one:
4 young pyromancer
3 xantid swarm
3 abrupt decay
3 chain of vapor
1 sensei's divining top
1 empty the warrens
The tournament wasn't important and I decided the sideboard at the last moment, don't take it as a reference:) My pairings:
R1: Junk rock (2-0)
G1: His hand was 1 mother of runes, 1 stoneforge, 1 Jitte, 1 zenith and 3 lands. I discarded the zenith with a therapy and went off two turns later via Past in flames.
SB: +3 abrupt decay +3 chain of vapor -3 Duress -1 cabal ritual -1 sensei's divining top -1 preordain
G2: T1: Deathrite shaman, T2: Dark confidant, T3: Oops, there wasn't any turn 3:laugh:
R2: Canadian threshold (2-0)
G1: My hand was had discard spells, lands, rituals but not a tutor. In my last turn i tried to win via past in flames (had it in hand) depending on a brainstorm to see the tutor. Fortunately, i saw it!
SB: +1 empty the warrens -1 sensei's divining top
G2: Thight game. His hand had 2 stifle and 2 daze, and during the game i saw a force and an spell snare too. In the end, i developed my mana base succesfully i was able to win, again, in the last turn.
R3: Goblins (2-0)
Both games were similar, i was faster than him
SB: +3 Abrupt decay +3 Chain of vapor, -2 cabal therapy -2 duress -1 sensei's divining top -1 preordain
R4: Nic Fit GBw (white only for a SB gaddock teeg) 2-0
G1: I discarded a zenith (which was going to search for deathrite shaman) a couple of turns later
SB: +4 young pyromancer +2 chain of vapor - 1 Duress -2 Cabal therapy -1 Bayou -1 preordain -1 cabal ritual
G2: He kept a hand with 3 mindbreak trap, 2 Duress and 1 extirpate (and a bayou). 2 Young Pyromancers did the job with the help of 2 chain of vapor that bounced 2 times a deathrite shaman to prevent him from reaching 5 mana to play a thragtusk.
After the tournament i've got two questions:
1. How many SB slots should we dedicate to Thalia decks? (in the LCLs there are 80-100 people, and the last time there were between 6 and 8 GWb/Death and taxes) Some people is running only 3 chains of vapor, but i feel that 3 dreads of night are necessary... Maybe 3 DoN +2 CoV is the best choice.
2. Which is your opinion about carpet of flowers? The biggest issue against delver decks is developing our manabase, and it helps a lot there. However, i feel that if we play correctly we don't need them at all...
Finally: 2 ANT players reached the top16 in ovino! lists there: http://www.mtgq.it/liste-top16-main-event-legacy/ Danila Leontiev is playing 3 decays +2 Krosan grips instead of 4 decays+1 krosan which sounds better to me, i imagine he is playing 2 krosans because it's a better answer to tops ... is that correct or another reason exists?
I'm just back from the Ovino tornament (9R, top 16), finished 18/476 ... I'm pretty drained, I know Italians are not fond of punctuality but this was a purgatory (like 2 hrs lunchbreak due to reporter crash) , 9. round finished at 1:30, top 16 at 3 am !!! top 8 got delayed to the morning... ridiculous... so I keep it short
list:
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Friday trial
2:0 UW w Snapcasters
1:2 Loam
0:2 S+T
8man
2:0 Omnitell
2:1 Infect
1:2 UBG DeedStill
Legacy Main
2:1 UR Omnishow
2:0 All spells
2:1 Miracles w REB
2:1 Miracles with REB
1:2 High Tide feat Dig (top16)
2:1 Manaless Dredge
2:0 Burn
1:2 Deathblade (top 8)
2:1 Merfolk
7-2 =18. place = 1ok +3 beaten Wooded Foothills =/
I'm happy with the MD, last second adding the CoVs was not that great,
my teamate Tomas Vlcek (remeber that name, you will read it on SCG next month) won the friday trial and lost the finals of the main event (after top 8 split) in pure 75 on 75 Miracles mirror due to 1 outer opp had for his Angels (which is SBed out normaly)
I will probably edit later and can elaborate on the rounds if anyone interested but now I'm heading to bed...
So the main issue I have with Preordain is that when I ran with it for a few months every time I cast it I was just looking for a business spell, which Burning Wish is. In a way for me Preordain was a 1UB Infernal Tutor or just a game loss because it wiffed, so it being 1R was a discount. The cantrips and discard I do run can fill up my pre-combo turns fine, it isn't like I'm passing turns with U up and an extra Wish in hand often, less often than I lost to Preordain finding nothing. I did try cutting IGGy for Treasure Cruise today. Cast it once, it was one of those games I was just sitting waiting for my hand to develop into something real so I wasted a turn casting Cruise for 3 mana 3 cards. It isn't spectacular, but I think it is worth a slot in the board for those kinds of situations, better than IGG or something like Reverent Silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garritano
Delver
I usually do -1 Infernal Tutor, -1 Probe, -1 Therapy for the 3 Xantid Swarm. I know they can still have bolts, but whatever, it seems to work. The Tutor goes into my sideboard all the time just so Burning Wish levels up and can singlehandedly win with Past in Flames. I've never actually thought about your plan, but I am interested in doing some testing. I don't feel that weak to daze, like I said earlier, Burning Wish essentially saves you 1 mana over Preordain->IT, and smart play can still weave through their soft counters. It can also be good bait, making them waste soft counters.
Chrome Mox and Manabase
It feels better than a land most of the time, and it gives me an extra out those times I'm forced to Ad Nauseum with nothing floating and no land drop. It did a lot of work today, twice for mana, once just to empty my hand for Tutor, and once just for Storm with no imprint. It usually pulls its weight for me, helping out some sticky lines, and when I don't like it there is always Brainstorm. If I do want it to be a land my hand is so full of spells I don't mind losing 1 to make it a land (well, don't mind a lot, obviously every spell matters).
Gemstone mine is pretty important IMO with my board. They have been great for me, very rarely dying so they just act as painless City of Brasses, and almost every time they die it has upside for Threshold or Treasure Cruise mana (did that today) Not being a fetch to shuffle sometimes matters, but there are times I want to be able to get UBRG out of 2 lands after SB. I am not as safe against Wasteland as ones that replace them with 2 fetches, or a fetch and Badlands, but it is a pretty marginal loss, and gives some marginal gain with extra fixing for Ponder into Abrupt Decay into Burning Wish. The Wishs tax my colored needs more than Preordain decks due to wanting to Wish for PIF, Meltdown, or Pyroclasm so RR is good and I don't like lands that don't make blue.
I just went to a local tournament, went 4-1, beating Tin Fins, Infect, RUG Delver, and Death and Taxes. I lost to Miracles but it was a weird game. Won G1, G2 I just had one of those natural 20 hands, but couldn't find a cantrip for 4 turns to bring it from 18 to 20. G3 I kept a no lander on 6 and never got there. No landers were the story of the day. Against RUG I kept 2 no landers in a row on 7 and won T1 and then a longer game G2. Against Infect the last round I did the same, T1 then T2ing him for exactsies thanks to Chrome Mox no imprint. D&T lost to BW Massacre both games for their army of Revokers and Thalia.
I'm looking forward to read more about the Grinding Station plan, your matches against Miracles and the SB Extirpate. Well done, Martin :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
Good job Slosh , waiting for the report ^^
Ciao my Friends !
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First things first: Congratulation Martin again, well done my friend as always.
Well, the weekend was also fine for me, more or less.
I registered this deck for the friday Bug Legacy Trial (around 100 Players):
http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/7019
Funny thing is that Danila Leontiev who made Top16 at the Legacy Mainevent consulted me the day before about the miracle matchup and my sideboard in general for this event and he did well with almost the same sideboard, well done !
These were my matchups in the Big Legacy trial:
2:0 12 post
2:0 pox
2:0 Mono U Omniscience
1:2 BG Hexmage
2:0 Merfolk
2:0 miracle
1:1 miracle
A 5:1:1 Record and i made Top8 -> 1 Bye for the Mainevent !
Mainevent:
*Bye
*Bye (i got this second bye by accident due to a DCI system error, good for me xD. When the judge told me so i immediately hugged him and that was actually the first time i hugged a judge :D )
1:2 Team America
2:1 Miracle
1:2 UR Delver
2:1 Infect
2:0 Bug Delver
0:2 Elves
->5:3:0 Drop...after 2 byes, embarrasing...to be honest, i wasn't focused on the games and i think i did not played 100% perfectly. I could have been better i think, next time for sure ! The Deck was fine, the sideboard awesome ! Krosan Grip was probably the best card against Miracle Control because it shuts down both Counterbalance and Senseis Divining Top.
Finally i joined a 3-Rounds Legacy Sideevent with Sneak'n Show and went undefeated without even thinking about my plays :D
Magic could be so simple sometimes...
PS:Now I'm brewing an Omniscience-Control Deck with Tendrils of Agony Finish.
Nicely done, all. I'm looking forward to seeing some of you at GP NJ (and maybe SCG Boston/Worcester in a couple weeks)
That wasn t too bad kai
How did the elves match gone?
D:Quote:
Originally Posted by sawatarix
What happened?
Aaah yiss. I hope I don't play you, but I hope you do well. Always nice to have people in the states running ANT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tav
@Kai: What did you like to side out to make room for all that permanent removal for Miracles? Did your sideboard feel awkward at all when 1/3 of it is permanent removal for Miracles and then 1/5 is Xantid Swarm, which is relatively narrow as well, not to mention Dread of Night? Given that some more general/broad options are out there, did you feel it was effective to have more of these bullet/focused cards?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawatarix
@ 0:2 elves: I kept a slow hand with 2 lands 4 cantrips and 1 ritual against a turn 2 glimpse-combo...would have mulled to 6 against elves but you never know what you are up against in G1.
In G2 i mulliganed to 6 and kept a medium hand, he played cabal therapy blind and hit 2 infernal tutors, flashbacked it and i was hellbent.2 turns later hoof ended the game...i've never lost 0:2 against elves, felt like a nightmare :(
@miracle-sideboarding:
+2 senseis devining top
+2 Krosan Grip
+3 Abrupt Decay
+3 Xantid Swarm
-2 Lotus Petal
-2 Cabal Ritual
-1 Island
-2 Preordain
-2 Cabal Therapy
-1 Ponder
Basically you resolve a senseis top and build a perfect hand + abrupt decay/krosan grip. Then you go off and win.
make sure to float a second business spell on top of your library because loosing to vendillion clique is pretty poor.
If you play multiple Tendrils of Agony in your Sideboard (grinding station) i recommend to be on the draw because the matchup is all about card quantity.
How would you side against bug delver with that list? Just the tops?
I'm gonna try your list on stream later today, so thanks for the feedback (there's less DnT and more stoneblade on mtgo, so the DoNs will likely be Massacres). were you consistently boarding in against Miracles Swarms g2, or was it a play/draw thing? was there anything like extra tendrils or flusterstorm you missed having in the board?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawatarix
Congrats on the finish, If I play Ant this weekend monthly leagacy league I will test krossan grip and so and lets C what happens. Because I will go out party the night before and if im too tired I will just sleve in my old buddy sneak and show with the new dig thru time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawatarix
Seems like u got misty foil finaly and dont have to play weird fetches.
Also seems like ppl start getting that is more valuable to remove the island tan the swamp vs miracles like I told like 2 months ago.
GJ
Hi all,
I would like to have your opinion on Rain of Filth since nobody seems to play this card at the moment.
I play a stock list and I have found it really good.
Sure, we want to be a T2/T3 deck, but even on your second turn it proved valuable for reaching threeshold, or even playing for taxing effects. It is not good after PiF: but it allows for quicker threesholded rituals, and it is so sweet if revealed after ad nauseam since it is basically the fifth dark ritual enabling starts from only B available.
On MTGO it has the added bonus it is the nuts against the so commonburn player in response to POP.
So, to everybody that is not playing it: don't you play it because it proved bad or because you never tried? Curious to know. Thanks!
here you goQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...18th-476-Storm
... best strategy vs. Miracles is A, be fast (EtW pretty good), B, attacking SDT
the Grinding station strategy proposed here before lacks both to some extent - 1, you delute your deck and commit hard to play long game by SB out LED and 2, they get superior card selection due to 1 and not B ...
so I believe best way is to attack SDT hard while preserving Storm deck structure the best... which is not easy, I think there is no easy recipe, but XS is definitely not in it at the moment, like everyone kept swords in, while Needle is still under the radar I believe it's currently the best way.. I was also impressed how is Krosan superior to AD in Sawatarix/russian top 16 guy hands so I have to test it