[DTB] Sneak Attack

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Originally Posted by Water_Wizard

Not to beat a dead horse, but your only option in that situation is to draw 7 more cards or let Griselbrand exile.

So that stack is:
(top)
Path to Exile
draw 7 activated ability
(bottom)

You are at 10 life and you do not have an answer in hand. As mentioned above, you can either let the PtE resolve (Griselbrand is exiled and you fetch your basic land), or you can pay another 7 life and put another draw 7 on the stack. If you choose the latter option, you would be at 3 life and that stack would look like this:
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draw 7
PtE
draw 7
(bottom)

Assuming you go with the 2nd route, after your 2nd draw 7, your opponent would get a chance to respond. Assuming no responses, you would draw your 7 and then be able to respond to the PtE on the stack.

The correct decision is game-state dependent. Did you win your match?

Also, in deciding whether to re-activate Grisel, it's important to remember that Force of Will costs life, as does Ancient Tomb and fetchlands.

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if your @ 10 life you can only draw 7 off griselbrand a 2nd activation would be suicide.

it was just a casual playtesting game between me and a friend, but I ended up winning even though the issue came up with the stack, I was able to convinced him that even though he removes griselbrand his ability is still on the stack.

sidenote: I wasn't playing sneak show I was playing hypergenisis but I thought I could ask the question here.

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Originally Posted by emrakultenticles

if your @ 10 life you can only draw 7 off griselbrand a 2nd activation would be suicide.

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When you perform any activated ability, everything before the colon is done first, then the item goes on the stack, both players get a chance to respond, and then the action occurs, assuming it is still valid (it hasn't been Stifled or something).

With Griselbrand:

"Pay 7 life: draw seven cards."

The life is paid before the card draw goes on the stack. So when you say:

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Originally Posted by emrakultenticles

Q: after activating griselbrands draw ability your opponent response with a path to exile, for this scenario say you only have 10 life and no answers in hand. would you still get the 7 cards even though path exiled griselbrand?

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It implies that you still have 10 life after the first activation (i.e. you started with 17 life).

But yes, at 3 life you would be unable to draw 7 cards, as you cannot pay life that you don't have. The only way to really "commit suicide" with Griselbrand is if you are at exactly 7 life.

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Originally Posted by Water_Wizard

When you perform any activated ability, everything before the colon is done first, then the item goes on the stack, both players get a chance to respond, and then the action occurs, assuming it is still valid (it hasn't been Stifled or something).

With Griselbrand:

"Pay 7 life: draw seven cards."

The life is paid before the card draw goes on the stack. So when you say:



It implies that you still have 10 life after the first activation (i.e. you started with 17 life).

But yes, at 3 life you would be unable to draw 7 cards, as you cannot pay life that you don't have. The only way to really "commit suicide" with Griselbrand is if you are at exactly 7 life.

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now I see what your saying, but I was talking about being at 10 life before the first activation. sorry I wasn't clear

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Originally Posted by emrakultenticles

now I see what your saying, but I was talking about being at 10 life before the first activation. sorry I wasn't clear

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No worries. :)

Hi everyone

I've noticed some difficulties when playing against miracle control post-sideboard

They usually side out all white cards to board in additional counters or, worse, meddling mages and pithing needles, so they seem a wall for us

How do you sideboard against miracle control and what is the better strategy to win the game?

How cool was the feature match of Sneak vs. Chapin on Reanimator? ;)

Hopefully we get to see Koby in a feature. Good Luck man.

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Originally Posted by rxavage

Hopefully we get to see Koby in a feature. Good Luck man.

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He's at 6-2-1 after going 6-0-1, last 2 rounds loses to re-animator and stoneblade and the draw was with re-animator.

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Originally Posted by menace13

He's at 6-2-1 after going 6-0-1, last 2 rounds loses to re-animator and stoneblade and the draw was with re-animator.

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Ugh that sucks. Well I hope he goes undefeated here on out.

Koby is in day 2.

Nope he didnt make day 2. 134th was his placing 128 is cutoff

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Originally Posted by rxavage

Ugh that sucks. Well I hope he goes undefeated here on out.

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Only 7-2 and better makes it. Pretty sucky outcome after a really good start...

Any sourcers make day 2?

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Originally Posted by menace13

Koby is in day 2.

Nope he didnt make day 2. 134th was his placing 128 is cutoff

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X-2 is usually the cutoff at a GP, not necessarily position.

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Originally Posted by JeroenC

X-2 is usually the cutoff at a GP, not necessarily position.

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My tiebreakers going into the last round were 82.5% which is insane! The smaller size of the GP means that there was a possibility that 6-2-1 could make it but it wasnt the case this time.

Deck imploded on me against Stoneblade when i failed to find either cantrips nor additional enablers. I only saw one Sneak Attack in each game.

Against the loss with Reanimator i got turn 2 Grisey'd even though i countered an Entomb. Then game two we both mull to five i keep on fetch, tomb x2 sneak attack and through the breach. I fail to find a fatty before he revives griselbrand. And so it goes.

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Originally Posted by JeroenC

X-2 is usually the cutoff at a GP, not necessarily position.

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If 799 or fewer players register for the event, all players with an X-2-0 or better record OR the top 64 players—whichever number is greater—will advance to the second day of the event.
If 800 or more players register for the event, all players with an X-2-0 or better record OR the top 128 players—whichever number is greater—will advance to the second day of the event.

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My friend playing our build went 5-3 (lost to MUC, RUG, Esper Stoneblade).

Our plan of boarding Defense Grids against RUG worked great. In the match he lost, his opponent even brought in Ancient Grudge (which is normally great for us), but he happened to actually draw them when my friend had Defense Grid out (bah!).

Do you bring in Defense Grid because you expect them to board out Spell Snare? Or has it turned out to be overall super strong?

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Originally Posted by Julian23

Do you bring in Defense Grid because you expect them to board out Spell Snare? Or has it turned out to be overall super strong?

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Most RUG lists have cut Spell Snare entirely for Spell Pierces main these days.

In our testing, post board (especially when they bring in all those REBs), it can be hard to fight through their countermagic.

So, we stole a card from some High Tide lists and turned to Defense Grid. If you resolve it, it makes it very difficult for them to use multiple (if any) counterspells on our business spells. Since we don't really care about countering their spells on their turn, it's a pretty one sided effect.

After having a rough weekend at a large local event, and seeing the results of the GP, my previous ascertion was spot on; the cat is certainly out of the bag for this archetype.

IMO, Daze is now an absolute must main deck. Removing it, and relying on spell pierce makes this deck a turn slower, and that is simply not where we need to be.

Being able to turn 1 ponder with protection, and pushing through an early Sneak/Show, is absolutely critical.

We also need LoS, I'm now 100% sure of that, and regret cutting them for this recent event.

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Originally Posted by Deez_Naughts

After having a rough weekend at a large local event, and seeing the results of the GP, my previous ascertion was spot on; the cat is certainly out of the bag for this archetype.

IMO, Daze is now an absolute must main deck. Removing it, and relying on spell pierce makes this deck a turn slower, and that is simply not where we need to be.

Being able to turn 1 ponder with protection, and pushing through an early Sneak/Show, is absolutely critical.

We also need LoS, I'm now 100% sure of that, and regret cutting them for this recent event.

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I already switched out my misdirections for dazes this past Thursday and I didn't miss the misdirections at all. My meta is usually all RUG but I found daze was useful a few times against random.dec moreso than misdirection woudl've been.