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Can you post a list? I have a hard time to imagine how a list with 26 lands + 3 Grim Monoliths + SB SFM would look like, especially a working one, due to white requirements. Uncastable SFMs aren't that sexy. I'm interested because I did like the Xenoblade plan when I was testing it and only stopped using it to streamline my version by dropping the white non-Eldrazi cards. But the meta has changed, so the situation might be different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by drude1
What do you guys think about Manipulate Fate + Eternal Scourge? It might be a good card draw engine.
Blue noncreature non-Eldrazi mana sounds too hard to be achievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noc2
I am testing a mix between drazi and dark depth seems ok and I want it to share i whith you if you have ideas to improve it.
I do like collective brutality it is tempo advantage and can give your dead duplicate or uncastable crop (urborg, eye, depth etc...) a way to be cycled.
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Dark Depths
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Llanowar Wastes
2 City of Traitors
3 Eye of Ugin
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Crop Rotation
4 Vampire Hexmage
3 Expedition Map
4 Pithing Needle
4 Collective Brutality
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Chalice of the Void
SB: 1 Wastes
SB: 1 Forest
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Maze of Ith
SB: 2 Duress
1 Marit Lage
Yup the test was a fail. I did some playtest and it wasn't good. Sorry if I posted here I am trying things.
Why would you combine these plans together? They do totally different things :eyebrow:
indeed
@barook: Here's the list I'm currently playing:
// Lands
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Wasteland
3 Eye of Ugin
2 Karakas
3 Plains
1 (Plains or Vesuva or other white producing land or Mox Diamond)
// Creatures
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Eldrazi Mimic
2 Endbringer
1 Ulamog
// Spells
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Warping Wail
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 All Is Dust
3 Grim Monolith
1 Batterskull
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
SB: 1 [WWK] Basilisk Collar
SB: 2 [M11] War Priest of Thune
SB: 2 [C14] Containment Priest
SB: 2 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 1 [ROE] All Is Dust
SB: 2 [MMA] Faerie Macabre
SB: 2 [SOM] Ratchet Bomb
SB: 2 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker
Right now I'm playing the 26th land as vesuva. I'm not sure that's right though. I haven't had a huge amount of trouble casting stoneforge or any other white creature. Having said that, I did get rid of all white non-creature cards in the SB as only white sources (not including Caverns) are not reasonable enough to sustain these cards.
@ Noloam: yeah, between 26 lands and 3 monoliths, I typically don't have a huge problem hitting AID mana. It is high on the curve but so worth it as it totally blows them out if it doesn't get countered.
Hello, I've been using this deck for quite some time, now I'm trying to use both Thalias, especially the new version more tsabo's web, I know that is not the best list but I like the lock and what you can bring vs lands that break us tsabo like wastelands, ports, fetchlands lock, stage, mandlands, etc. this is the list:
Creatures (23)
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
2 Endbringer
Spells (13)
2 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Tsabo's Web
2 Dismember
1 Batterskull
Lands (24)
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Cavern of Souls
3 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Eldrazi Temple
7 Plains
Sideboard (15)
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Containment Priest
1 Sun Droplet
1 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Tsabo's Web
2 Disenchant
2 Rest in Peace
2 Warping Wail
3 Ratchet Bomb
1 All Is Dust
Enthusiasm is good, but it's usually better to test things first and then post if your results are promising.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrieng
Looks similar to Vintage Eldrazi. I think the Tsabo's Webs are a bit too cute. You're probably better off playing more Thorns or a SoFI. Mox Diamond looks kinda weak as well, unless you play Wasteland and Crucible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcpdump
man what happend to miracles online? i dont see it a lot anymore. I see delver all day every day
im going test a anti delver package:
-2 dismember
-2 warping wail
+2 spatial contotion
+2 basilisk collar
taking tomb damage and dismembering is not going to do it. The collar seems good in racing. im not afraind of my chalice, because when i stick a chalice, i win anyway. not playing the wails, decreases the number of instants in the graveyard for goyf and shaman
Hey, it's W/g Eldrazi
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Lodestone Golem
2 Endbringer
3 Blade Splicer
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Mox Diamond
4 Brushland
4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Eye of Ugin
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Karakas
4 City of Traitors
2 Wasteland
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Savannah
SB: 3 Warping Wail
SB: 4 Reclamation Sage
SB: 4 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Tsunami
SB: 2 Constant Mists
Few words about build -
I'm very happy not running any removal except Jitte MD, I also resolve Batterskull problem with 5/3 First Strike Golem thanks to Blade Splicer which is really very nice. It's a solid double creature more over ppl mostly kill token (bolt ect) since it gives a clock even better then Mattery Reshaper (which isn't my favorite since it dies to STP/Terminus with no benefits)
If you lose to flipped Delver, this mean opponent had too many wastelands - it happens, but most time you DON't need to kill that delver - you race it. Have jitte/Displacer if things get messy.
Golems are great vs Goyfs as more "Smashers" additional gives more egde against combo, specially with mentioned Blade Splicer.
Blade Splicer has also one more advantage - it's great vs BUG, Strix, Liliana ect.. It's not a problem just sacrifice token if needed, then Eldrazi Displacer gives you unlimited number of Tokens - just 2C x 3/3 Token with First Strike.
New Thalia proven in many other builds so it's not a surprise to running it.
Since SFM get popular again in many variants actually I omit it in my build since, it's slow and not good vs Combo. Maybe some SB slots if needed.
SB:
Reclamation Sage is probably best 2-for-1 creature - I wanted something which can't be hit by spell pierce, or get taxed by my own Thalia, additional Sage is best to S&T/Omni answer.
Rest in Peace - doesn't need to be explain.
Tsunami - that is probably interesting - it's mostly vs slow control decks - also miracles, but also a BUG Control (not shardless variants) with a lot of removal like innocent blood/Decay on chalice ect) - it's rather a meta call - not having any burn in meta - too many miracles.
Constant Mists - that's a new tool vs Mirror/Elves/Lands - since they can't interact with spells mostly, you can easily deny their Hoofs/Marit token turn, repeatable fog effect can give easily egde over opponent specially with so many first strike creatures (3 Splicer / 4 Golem - with spilcer / 3 Thalia / 3 Thalia 2.0 - gives 13 first strike creatures).
I would be very happy when WotC would print white version of Sage - just a disenchant on legs..
I use a 1 off wormcoil engine in SB. Dodges bolt & dismember; It also gains life, and give birth to tokens if it was ancient grudged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noloam_
For pesky elemental tokens, I use 1 off Caltrops but only for meta choice there's a lot of elves, DnT and grixis in my area. :wink:
Yes if wurmcoil resolves, it is lights out. but its akward with eyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Abantau
yes caltrops seems cool. but i doesnt beat the flipped delver. dont you think it is too narrow for pyromancer tokens only?. the use it as chump dorks 9/10 times vs me
I have been thinking about going into White Maindeck a bit, here is what i have come up with so far.
I have not yet tested it, just drawn out a couple of times and it seems to be playable, but.... whats your thoughts on this?
Do you think Thalia1.0 is good enough of an upgrade to play "thorns" main again (which many including me have lately shy'd away from)
Do you think Thalia2.0 is good enough (at all), or too cute? I think Tsabos Web+her give some decks a really hard time...
4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Warping Wail
4 Lotus Petal
4 Caves of Koilos
1 Battlefield Forge
1 Karakas
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
3 Eye of Ugin
4 Eldrazi Temple
//Sideboard:
2-3 Tsabos Web
2 All is Dust (maybe not such a good idea with 6 Thalia, maybe more Bombs instead)
1 Ratchet Bomb
4 Faerie Macabre (or Leyline of the Void)
4 Pithing Needle
1-2 Containment Priest
They're talking about this over on the Death and Taxes thread.
I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to talk about this would be...
Is this strategy worthy of its own new thread?
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...-Taxes/page323
Quote:
Originally Posted by sporenfrosch1411
I think with Stoneforge, Lodestone Golem and no Eldrazi Smasher and no Eye of Ugin thats a different Deck.
Likewise one could put all Delver decks into one thread, but i dont think that would be fitting either.
Im tinkering with splashing the 6 Thalia in there, aside from that its pretty much a basic EldraziStompy i think - not sure either though....
Anyhow: Thanks for the tip, i'll be browsing that thread too from now on. I strongly think a small "loan" from DnT Elementes, like people in modern are trying as far as i can evaluate some decks i've seen there, is a nice way to go. Eldrazi should be disruption+smashing faces.
Anyhow, whats the opinion on that idea? Do you think its worth it? Has someone maybe tested this a bit more than me and has some experience to share?
I so far felt like the mana was a bit clunky sometimes. Cavern is often a hard decision whether to be put on Humans or Eldrazi - but then again its only with Displacer that this comes up, all other Eldrazi are colorless anyway...
I do think this is a worthy direction.
One area from which I've taken inspiration are the Vintage Thalia/Eldrazi lists. They're similar.
But yes, I think the real question to ask is: where on the spectrum between D&T and Eldrazi is optimal? Are we the best prison/creature deck or the best stompy deck?
For example, one question they're pondering over at the D&T board is if the SFM package should be cut entirely - a direction with which I agree.
Another question is whether or not Reality Smasher has a place in the deck. I'm not sure.
If every creature in the deck can be a lock piece or disruption of some kind, that brings us much closer to what makes Death and Taxes so good. However, if we need to keep slots for beaters (Reality Smasher), that makes us more stompy-like. Not sure!
Quote:
Originally Posted by sporenfrosch1411
im really missing the point here. the only reason i whould play white is for stoneforge &/or displacer. Why the thalia stuff? its just worse than the other colorless dudes and you can still play the eyes. The eyes are on the reasons you play eldrazi in the first place
I'd personally never even consider this deck without smashers. I'd play 12 of them if I could lol.
Seems like a very different deck to me. Not saying not to discuss it here, just that I feel it's a very different approach. Could end up being the direction this deck wants to go in the end but I generally found the less of a splash the better