Understandable, but to ask for a two mana Vindicate That is wishable is tough. I think Just having Abrupt Decay should be fine post board. a 2 mana Vindicate would be pretty busted lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by joemauer
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Understandable, but to ask for a two mana Vindicate That is wishable is tough. I think Just having Abrupt Decay should be fine post board. a 2 mana Vindicate would be pretty busted lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by joemauer
There was a mox tournament in jacksonville, il. 30 something people showed up. From what a friend told em Emildin usually takes it but he couldn't make it.
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Burning Wish
3 Duress
3 Silence
2 Orim's Chant
2 Ad Nauseam
4 Gemstone Mine
2 City of Brass
4 Chrome Mox
2 Underground Sea
4 Rite of Flame
1 Volcanic Island
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Flooded Strand
1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 Ill-Gotten Gains
SB: 1 Past in Flames
SB: 1 Grapeshot
SB: 1 Diminishing Returns
SB: 2 Inquisition of Kozilek
SB: 1 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Karakas
SB: 1 Shattering Spree
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
Round 1 ub delver
I duress him and see daze daze thoughtseize fow delver land brainstorm. He wastes me and in reponce I brainstorm seeing mox mox infernal tutor. I have no lands in hand a mox a few silences and an infernal tutor. I am dead a few turns later. Game 2 he mulligans to 5. I inquisition seeing double thoughtseize, land deathrite brainstorm. I take deathrite and he thoughtseizes seeing tendrils silence infernal ponder. He takes ponder. On his next turn he takes silence and I draw an orims chant. I try to bait a counterspell but he lets it resolve and then he flips delver. I try to go for it but he forces by dark ritual making tendrils a no go.
0-1
(0-2)
round 2 rb discard (?)
I duressed taking blighting his hand was vampire nighthawk, bloodhast and some cards that killed creatures (I didnt note them) He died on turn 3 to an empty the warrens making 22 goblins. Game 2 I cast ad nauseam on turn 2 and he lost.
1-1
(2-2)
round 3 elves
He led with a llanowar elf and I brainstormed finding silence. I played petal in case he played glimpse setting up to win turn 3 with iggy. He played 2 more elves and lost on the next turn to ad nauseam. I sided out silence for abrupt decay. He played turn 1 llanowar elf. I played a land imprinted a ad nauseam to kill llanowar elf he used some elf that had an etb kill artifact on the mox. I infernal tutored for led and won next turn will ill gotten gains.
2-1
(2-2)
round 4 Corey Mustain on esper stoneblade
He mulliganed game 1 to 6. On turn 2 my hand has dark rit dark rit led infernal tutor and I had 2 lands in play. Since I am running 2 ad nauseam I figured he he countered this ad nauseam I could just set up to go for it with infernal tutor. I could also play around daze. I went for it and he had nothing. I cast petal rite rite rite rite burning wish for past in flames rite rite rite rite wish for grapeshot grapeshot past inflames flashback grapeshot. Game 2 he played u sea passed. I played duress off a city of brass, he brainstormed in responce and his hand was clique, lingering souls, jace. For some reason I forgot I could take jace so I took lingering souls. On my turn 1 drew volcanic island and brainstomed off the city. My hand was mox, infernal tutor,duress, volcanic island,ad nauseam, dark ritual, lotus petal, led, burning wish. I put ad nuseam and volcanic on top. I cast mox imprinting infernal tutor and duressed seeing a spell pierce he hid away. I took it and passed. On his turn he played a land and passed. I drew volcanic island and played it he cliqued me at my end step seeing wish and dark rit, he picked wish and I drew ad nauseam. I cast dark rit, ad nauseam at his upkeep and went to 7. He attacked I went to 4. I cast orims chant which he forced pitching jace and I duressed his stifil. I stormed into the tendrils I got off the ad nauseam.
3-1
(6-2)
Round 5 merfolk
I am told I could have drawn into top 8 the guy wanted to play it based on the new play draw stuff. or something. This guy really didn't know what he was doing. I played mox imprinting silence. I silenced and he dazed. next turn I silenced and he dazed He attacked for 6 with master of the pearl trident. I played dark ritual and he forced it killing me next turn. Game 2 he surgiclly extracted by brainstorm saying "I wasnt sure if you were on the iggy thing) I played ponder he dazed I played duress and he dazed. I played silence he forced with nothing in hand and triple lord in play. I cast tendrils him for 10. Tendrils was the 5th spell. He said "there are 5 copies so I take 12 and go to 1." he kept arguing and finally I said "yeah you take 12." he drew wasteland, wasted, I drew petal he attacked I drew grapeshot and then he wasted so I was unable to cast the damn thing.
3-2
(6-4)
props:
Doug White who found the most amazing pizza place ever.
Collin Mustain for validating my deck decisions with match losses (he can write his report later I guess)
Doug White for awesome pizza
Larry for playing a 15 minute high tide turn in commanding imminent winning position and then just saying "I am bored" and conceding.
last round opponent for not drawing in
slops:
The shop was tiny and there was zero room.
This report remind me why a) Running mox at a Full set sux b) Gitaxian Probe has more value than additional disruption
I would rather have every ad nauseam I resolve win than occasionally get stuck with too many moxes. Gitaxian probe would not have been any better than duress or silence all day outside of maybe drawing a extra card against elves guy. I duressed round 1 and took force, round 3 I duressed he brainstomed in repsonce, I duressed to take spell pierce, I chanted he forced and I duressed to take stifil. My last round opponent countered 4 or 5 chant effects in the match. Even against the elves guy I wanted silence against glimpse, but sided it out when I realized he probably didnt have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
There is: Eye of Nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by joemauer
It's terrible, but it does get rid of anything permanentish.
About the non-Probe list and report:
The full set of Moxes does bite you more often than it would save you while Ad Nauseaming. You could use the additional space for 1-2 Simian Spirit Guide. They can be a real help against Daze (surprise effect). Don't be afraid of the life they cost when you reveal them through Ad Nauseam. The mana also helps casting stuff.
Also, an extra Preordain - though slow - can help increase consistency.
Last comment: I would recommend you play main deck Emtpy the Warrens instead of Tendrils. Tendrils is terrible in your opening hand, where EtW is actually really nice to naturally draw into.
I could swear you wrote that you played silences to bait counter/"Time Walk" at some point which is imo questionable (round 5 for example) Gitaxian Probe however would help to seize your opponents hand for free, enable to plan accordingly and thins your Deck to virtually increase mana density (round 1 and 5)Quote:
Originally Posted by a boss
Played a local today, gearing for Denver, Bryant's list:
1-2 loss to MUD
Game 1: Wished for shattering spree to kill revoker naming LED, a simple ad nauseum let me grapeshot for lethal. Because, grapeshot.
I board in grapeshot over warrens, after seeing rachet bomb. He has the hatebears to also make it a good idea.
Game 2: Lotus petal into revoker on LED, turn 2 revoker on petal, turn 3 lodestone, turn 4 cannonist. Needed one of those not to happen.
Game 3: I dont have the turn 1, and get chalice @ 1, then double lodestone'd
2-0 win over Hivemind
Game 1: Silence protected turn 3 tutor chain. He plays a Lim-dul's vault and a grim monolith. The monolith tips me off on hivemind, but the vault I just write off as w/e.
Game 2: I have a turn 2 protected, but he begins the game with 2x Leyline of sanctity (And I had not brought in chains, just more discard). I infernal for a second probe, chain 3 probe into empty the warrens with enough mana to pay for a pact or two should he go off. (probe mvp)
2-1 win over GBw Nic Fit
Game 1: Turn 3 tutor chain after seeing my turn 2 goblins will in fact not get there on the thanks to deed and pulse. (probe mvp)
Game 2: Therapy hits twice, and I slowly get beaten down without doing much.
Game 3: Turn 1 ad nauseum fails to let me tendrils (I boarded it in after seeing extirpate), but let's me pass the turn with 22 Charmander goblins in play.
2-0 win over BUG Delver
Game 1: I know he is on BUG something, I remember seeing flusterstorms in board earlier in the event. I'm assume some number of forces are missing.
Game 1: I win the die roll and draw into a turn 1 kill should my probe find a mana source and he doesn't have force. I hit city of brass and he has stifle, pierce, waste, 2 delvers, 2 fetches. Ad nauseum takes it. (probe just meh)
I board the second empty and more discard
Game 2: Opening hand has an empty the warrens. he taps out of blue on his turn 2 and ships it back to me. Rite, chrome mox imprinting silence, LED cast emtpy. A copy get's dazed, another gets forced and I get 4 tokens. I play the land and IT in my hand the next turn (after drawing a useless fetch) to ad naus to finish it, but he has the force. Somehow the 4 tokens go the distance.
I love probe. i love turn 1 brainstorm, play a couple LEDs, probe and crack for RRRBBB, make goblins.
Actually, you played an old list. I only run one Warrens at the moment, my current list is on the opening post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammit67
Just tested a bunch of games against Miracle Blade. And I thought delver was a bad match up...
Yea Goblins plan is bad when they have 1 mana answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
That and its tough to fire off a quick Ad Nauseum hoping you just doing get countered. And Goblins cant race Batterskull Easily. I forget the exact math but I think you need like 14-16 goblins on T2 on the play to beat a batterskull hand. Do you guys just concede the fact that Game 1 is basically unwinnable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I boarded in the one from the board, making 2 main. Do you advise against doing so? I decided to try it out and it happened to workQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
Crazy concept, but... Did you ever consider switching gameplans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Yeah, it makes Ad Nauseam as well as Burning Wish weaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammit67
This is why we play probe....Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Honestly this matchup is not "unwinnable". No matchup is "unwinnable" with this deck.
To be honest my hands were never awesome. Just solid. I definitely need to test. I tried to do like what you said in the primer of just going off before the CB hits in G1. I probably should reevaluate how to attack the MU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
You need to base your game plan on the hand as well as the match-up. Gitaxian Probe is invaluable in these kinds of matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Took Byrant's list to a local with the two karakas instead of two COV in the side:
Round 1 GW Maverick:
Game 1: He goes T1 cavern->noble. I probe and see a teeg, but no way to play it T2. I silence him on his T3 and then win with Ad Nauseam on my turn.
Game 2: He plays a forest and then I naturally storm kill him T1. This deck is really broken sometimes.
Round 2 Sneak/Show:
Game 1: He has the Show and tell but no creature. I silence him (resolves), then I kill him. He shows me misdirection :).
Game 2: He plays turn one Sensei's Top. I probe him and see a weird hand (2x brainstorm, 2x griselbrand, no show and tell). I silence T2 (resolves) and then win.
Round 3 RW Goblins with Thalia side:
Game 1: He plays scalding tarn T1 pass. I probe and find out that it's goblins. I win shortly after with Ad Nauseam.
Game 2: I therapy his thalia away. He plays a sharpshooter that cuts me off empty, but it doesn't matter cause I kill him after Ad Nauseam anyways.
Round 4 BUG Control (no FOW)
Game 1: I make 16 Goblins T1. He draws a card and concedes.
Game 2: I keep a loose hand and get punished with liliana.
Game 3: I duress away a thoughtseize. Then, I duress away an engineered plague. At this point I have 3xLand, 2xDark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox and Burning Wish. He has Daze and Spell Pierce. I decide to empty for 10. I think he put my on ANT, because he sided in nihil spellbombs (lol). Between the confidant, spellbombs and brainstorms he draws like 9 cards, but doesn't see any more plagues.
Round 5 ID
Round 6 ID
T8 Junk
Game 1: I mull to 6 and keep a questionable hand (2xGemstone, Dark Ritual, Rite of Flame, LED, Silence). I get punished for it when I don't find a business spell.
Game 2: I mull to 6 again and can't find the win before he deeds away all of my LED's.
I was pretty happy with the deck, but I need to work on my mulligans. Would you ever side in the Iggy for aggro matchups? I never did.
I don't run out artifact mana against decks that play deed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wombo Combo
I'll keep that in mind next time. In this game he had a double hymn hand with deed so I was not sure what to do because I couldn't returns before he would destory my hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
Brainstorm becomes the best card in your deck against BG/x. You have to play them carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wombo Combo