6 Cmc is a lot, even in a deck that can ramp like this. There are simply better options at 4 mana that you can realistically cast without having to pop a veteran explorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yutao
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6 Cmc is a lot, even in a deck that can ramp like this. There are simply better options at 4 mana that you can realistically cast without having to pop a veteran explorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yutao
You're not wrong. 4 cmc walkers feel relatively anemic, especially with Miracles out of the format. Kaya's probably the best for Junk, but I'm gonna do some testing with 5-6 cmc walkers to see if they have more of an impact.
I think I'd rather play Sorin, Grim Nemesis over 6-mana Ajani and that both are probably just too low impact for costing 6 mana.
Maybe it's time to do something ridiculous and play some form of junk super friends list with hymn?
For a walker to be of any use, it should be able to generate some kind of advantage, protect itself and be able to win the game on its own. The higher the cmc, the more impact all should have.
Ajani Unyeilding does generate conditional advantage, protect itself thru spot removal, but lacks a wincon on its own. While a card like Nissa, VF or Garruk R or Kaya provide all those for less mana. Take Ugin for example, it has it all, but you gotta pay big. Liliana of the Veil is a bit of an oddball here, but she has it all as well if you look at it, and granted, that she only cost 3 mana. Plus Liliana is the least crappy walker vs combo.
Tbh, if they made Ajani Unyeilding cost less or gave it a better ulti I'd actually played it.
Edit: off all Colors, Junk has the least interesting walkers for Superfiends. Unless Maybe New Gideon and some old Gideon can make you invincible.
BUG probably is still the better one with Jace and now maybe Nissa GU. Then I'd say R, since it can play PFire with Liliana, Chandra ToD and some more. Chandra Flamecaller is awesome as well, but now that Miracles is gone it is to slow. And last there is Eldrazi Fit that runs Cloudpost, which is able to support Ugin and Karn.
EldraziFit. What fresh hell is that?!? List?
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Yep, I feel like any walker list without Jace is just missing the point lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
I can't tell how this looks. Very similar to one of the lists in the previous summer's Mediocre Legacy League.
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Brainstorm
4 Oath of Nissa
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Innocent Blood
2 Collective Brutality
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Damnation
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Nissa, Vital Force
1 Ob Nixilis, Reignited
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Forest
2 Island
2 Plains
1 Swamp
2 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Tundra
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
Could also do -2 DRS, +1 GSZ as Vet Insurance, +1...Narset?
You must have seen it somewhere along the way, the build sort off fallen out of favor due to Sneak Fit coming along. Kevin was investing some work in the colorless splash: BG<>. There is a list in the primer somewhere. The deck has it's own thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
I was also toying around with the list on some level, obviously the ? was Top. I really, REALLY like to play something like this and make it more competitive. I have always like NicFit core strategy and this lists endgame is so mega sweet. Anything that gets away with playing Ugin and Karn is something on the radar for me. Tho not really sure if this isn't just another flavor of NicFit, maybe it is slower then other variants, maybe it is weaker to Wasteland.
4x Veteran Explorer
1x Sakura-Tribe Elder
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Eternal Witness
1x Courser of Kruphix
1x Tireless Tracker
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
1x Thragtusk
1x Primeval Titan
3x Thought-Knot Seer
1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1x Emrakul, the Promised End
4x Green Sun's Zenith
3x ?
4x Cabal Therapy
3x Pernicious Deed
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Nissa, Vital Force
1x Karn Liberated
1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
1x Eye of Ugin
1x Phyrexian Tower
4x Glimmerpost
2x Cloudpost
2x Llanowar Wastes
2x Bayou
3x Forest
2x Swamp
2x Wastes
4x Verdant Catacombs
Agree with the Mountains. This list is less red overall and have lot of double green and black cards in the deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
To make Strombreath to a monster was sooo sweet. It has been less legacy lastly but I want to play more on the Strombreath build.
Stormbreath Dragon puts up a middle finger to most removal in the format. On top of that, you should see peoples face when you slam it to the table. Not sure which would be the better call atm, Currently jamming several versions and can't make up my mind what to stay on. SneakFit, EldraziFit, PFire (G or RR), Junk (Rhino, Value or SFM), system overload... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ganfar
The sig list is updated BTW to match the RR version.
Agreed, I have a few different versions of this deck proxied up (two in real, idk how many in sharpie). It's a madhouse, or so they claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Anyone faced any of these Bant decks yet? I'm pretty sure they're just stone cold to Deed like Esperblade and such. Leovold seems like the only wrench, and maybe TNN. Deluge seems fine.
You mean Reid Bant?Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Only trouble I've had is if I don't save a therapy for right after they SFM to snag batterskull. With Junk rhino can just trample over TNN and leovold usually gets swept up with everything else when you deed. We can destroy all their equipment pretty easily, and without those our creatures destroy theirs in combat. Overall seems pretty favorable for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Try running a QPM in your main 60 :wink:. They seldom see that one coming (just make sure they out of bounce-mana before going for it, though).Quote:
Originally Posted by LVA
Against blue/x midrange decks I've always seen TNN and JTMS as the only two cards we really care about, except Deathrite if we're on <10 life.
As said before, i'm 100% sure about Humility maindeck. A single card resolves a huge slice of meta by itself, first point, and a slice that we can't fight with other ench (maindeck at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
This Sunday i'm going to a "large" tournament in Italy with Nyx, let's hope =) I'll Play Convergence, Nyx, Cast Out, Humility and Dovescape.
Deluge and Deed do the heavy lifting. Double TNN can be problematic though (seeing 1 after a board wipe or a fast 2x TNN in opening 3 turns). I'd hedge my bets by having board wipes. Junk can run Rhino, which actually does a number against them. I'm still on the fence about using planeswalkers to fight the deck though. TNN means they eliminate nearly any walker in 1-2 hits. But then that's 1-2 extra turns of value and not taking damage yourself. Liliana of the Veil is surprisingly strong here if you consider her an edict with upside.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
If the number of TNN is going up and Elves! is becoming more common, Golgari Charm (or Zealous Persecution) might be a nice SB card again.
I've been running a singleton of Golgari Charm in the board and loving it. All three modes are mad useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon