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Originally Posted by apple713

has anyone tried sun droplet ? ppl in tezz forum were talking about how it managed to buy them time against decks like delver.

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I did think about sun droplet. Goes positive life in multiples! But pyromancer and swiftspear deal far more than 3 dmg a turn, which is where sun droplet shines, giving you 2 life per turn each.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

I did think about sun droplet. Goes positive life in multiples! But pyromancer and swiftspear deal far more than 3 dmg a turn, which is where sun droplet shines, giving you 2 life per turn each.

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that combined with glimmer posts, should allow you to stop a little bit of bleeding, its not intended to get crazy but rather slow the bleed, maybe combined with bounce?

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Originally Posted by apple713

that combined with glimmer posts, should allow you to stop a little bit of bleeding, its not intended to get crazy but rather slow the bleed, maybe combined with bounce?

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Possibly. However elephant grass + bounce is quite silly. Either make them pay extra and bounce the creature, or bounce the elephant grass when it becomes too lofty.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Funny that you mention that caw, because I just yesterday won a local GPT (24 people) with this list:

// Lands
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
3 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
2 [LRW] Island (1)
2 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M12] Primeval Titan

// Spells
4 [MM] Brainstorm
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
3 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [US] Show and Tell
3 [ON] Chain of Vapor
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [VI] Elephant Grass
4 [LRW] Ponder

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 1 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog


My matchups were Burn (2-0), BUG control (2-1), Manaless Dredge (2-0), Esper Deathblade [worcester scg list] 2-1, ID /w Belcher. Top 8: Death and Taxes (2-0), U/R Delver (2-1), Manaless dredge (2-1)

::EDIT for tournament report::

Round 1: Burn
Game 1 has him put me down to 12, and I show and tell Emrakul with 2 islands in play. Not your normal play, but it'll often get there game one. Huzzah.

Game 2 I hydroblast a goblin guide and a monastery swiftspear, with two free lands and grind him down to zero cards while I go down to 1 to hardcast a primeval titan. This blasts me upto 15 life and he doesn't draw price of progress. I know he has pyroblast in hand, so I dig something furious for two counters incase he draws a pop as I had to pass back, siding out emrakul. After getting to storm 16 he concedes.

Round 2: BUG control
Game 1 is my deck being insanely resilient in the face of counters. He has thoughtseizes and lilianas, and I have treasure cruises and titans to counter.
Game 2 I mull to a hand of 5 lands and candelabra. He seizes away the candelabra and my next 3 draws are lands. my 4th draw is a brainstorm, which I sorcery speed cast, and his 4 lands cast notion thief. What. a. blowout. Deck didn't want me to win that one. I scoop to save time.
Game 3 is much more of a slog fest, but I resolve a kozilek on turn 5 and that generally goes poorly. The game grinds out significantly with him countering loads of things, but the raw advantage of Kozilek draw and treasure cruises seal the deal.

Round 3: Manaless Dredge
Game 1 has him with a turn 2 kill with balstrade spy, which he goes for without therapying. I go for crop rotate into glacial chasm and he mills himself.
Game 2 I have surgical for bridges and a crop rotate to sweep his yard. Tried to avoid showing him tabernacle and elephant grass, which I was able to do.

Round 4: Esper Deathblade
Game 1: He does deathblade things, which involves controlling the non-land board, which I generally have vacant until the win stage presents itself. Kozilek did some serious work. A treasure cruise had to be forced, and then another resolved.
Game 2: I get stuck on 3 lands hard, with my only draw being repeal on his deathrite shaman. My lack of mana development catches up with me as he draws 3 forces for my 3 titans and we go to game 3.
Game 3: I have an extremely resilient hand of brainstorm, ponder, ponder, fetch, fetch, crop rotate, show and tell. He seizes away my show and tell in quick order, and I start cantrip building. He came prepared with plentiful forces and treasure cruises before I do, catapulting him forward in advantage. In the penultimate turn with us going to time and me on turn 3 with him having 1 away from lethal on his board, I cast kozilek, knowing he has a force of will, which gets countered, Glen Elendra Archmage, which gets countered, and candelabra of tawnos, which enables me to draw 4 more cards off kozilek via an untapped karakas and my refreshed 16 mana. My first 7 cards are completely dead off kozilek, but the 8th is a chain of vapor, which nets me ridiculous mana off my candelabra to get emrakul and steal turn 4 with anihilator 10 and a guarantee of turn 5 as well thanks to karakas.

Semifinals: Death and Taxes
Game 1: He leads with a slower start of a turn 2 thalia, I lead with what could have been a turn 3 kozilek, but opted for a turn 4 and a blue source as he has a karakas. He bounces my guy while attempting to establish pressure. Kozilek draws me 4 more cards for the second time, and I get elephant grass going. Unable to attack while develop, his damage slows down to 2-4 a turn, while I develop madly, and in 2 turns I am wildly out of control for him.

Game 2: He keeps a more aggressive vial + ports plan, and I burn my cantrips early to avoid potential spirit of the labyrinth shenanigans off his vial. He stoneforges, then revokers, but elephant grass is being a nuisance. He gets managara-karakas lock going while I have a tabernacle and many cloudposts ticking and goes multiple turns of equal trading to me while I am taking no damage but making land drops. A Primeval titan tutors up a karakas and more mana than mangara can eat once-per-turn, and the next turn he concedes when titan, tabernacle, karakas, and 12 mana for kozilek overwhelm him.

Quarterfinals: U/R Delver
Game 1: I keep a hand of triple elephant grass, cantrips, and mana. He keeps a 2 mana hand of cantrips and monastery swiftspear. Guess how this goes? I'm at 17 life before I take no damage for the rest of the game and cast emrakul.
Game 2: A very grindy game where I have hydroblasts galore but no elephant grasses, allowing him to hit me and cantrip freely. He resolves a treasure cruise one turn before I do and therefore has the counter for mine, and 2 turns later gets a blood moon. 4 turns later of weak beats is my demise.
Game 3: Similar to game two of the game of grind. After an eot Hydroblast on a blood moon, I manage to cast a titan after the show was forced pitching a daze, putting me upto ridiculous life totals and getting both my basics. He attempts a double bolt on my titan, but I hydroblast the second bolt. After this he keeps back a pyromancer-swiftspear to block the lethal titan. I eot hydroblast the monastery swiftspear and after blocks I repeal the blocking pyromancer and elemental for exactly 5 lethal trample damage.

Finals: Manaless dredge
Game 1: I get lucky. No two ways about it. He sees my hand with therapy naming crop rotation, with my only live card being a repeal and trop-trop available. He goes for balstrade spy on turn 2 and I respond to the zombie triggers from dread return by repealing a zombie. I draw. Crop Rotation. of Course. I let him mill himself out fully, and then crop rotate for Glacial Chasm and he mills himself out.
Game 2: I mull to 4. FOUR!. I was mulling for hate, but more importantly the hands after my first had zero mana. I keep on ponder-Snapcaster-Land-Surgical. As best as I can hope for. The game grinds itself out hard and my future ponders and cantrips yield me nothing after repeated shuffles. I end up getting beat for 3-4 a turn while my deck kept bricking on me, until that final swing where we go to game 3.
Game 3: Another mull. No mana. My hand is Ponder, Surgical, Brainstorm, fetch, fetch, titan. As keepable as ever. First ponder reveals ponder, brainstorm, emrakul, which I keep as this gives me plenty of look next turn. He discards a Grave troll and passes. I fetch away emrakul, ponder, see 3 lands, shuffle and draw a land. Ponder again, 3 lands. shuffle and draw a land. Pass. He street wraiths on my eot, flipping some delicious cards, including a bridge and ichorid. I wait until he goes to therapy me with a dead ichorid, and exile his bridges with surgical. He passes, with plenty of sauce in his yard to dread return things galore next turn. I draw a candelabra, which I cast, now having a cloudpost in play. Brainstorm reveals brainstorm, land, and a chain of vapor. Relatively rubbash. I fetch and the second brainstorm reveals bog, and chasm and fetch, after I've played my land for turn. Oh why do you hate me sometimes deck? Where are my show and tells, crops, elephant grasses, surgicals?! I chain of vapor to buy me a turn of hateflayer death, and he dread returns a chancellor of the annex, which is highly relevant since I have exactly 6 mana for titan, and annex now counters it. I develop mana, cast another ponder, which I shuffle and draw... a land from. And pass, tapped out. He has me dead to rights with a dread return on his hateflayer as I'm at 1 life after his attacks. He dread returns, I'm ready to scoop, and the target is ... A 2nd Chancellor of the Annex. I blink. twice. four times. amazed. I've been given a turn for free, via my titan in hand, I just need to draw one mana that doesn't ping me for one (looking at you misty rainforest x2 in my hand). I draw.. a cloudpost! Slam it in play, a 2nd candelabra joins the fray and still generates positive mana despite double chancellors. Primeval titan hits play despite costing 8. I think about the best way to address this board at 1 life and him having 11 power in creatures in play (nether shadow, x2 chancellor of the annex) and ichorids and hateflayers in the bin. I get Tabernacle at pendrell vale and bojuka bog targetting him. This sweeps his grave and kills his lethal -swing of any guy in upkeep. I breath the biggest sigh of relief ever, and he concedes with my next attack, which gets me infinite turns.

The poor guy was terribly tilted, but these things happen, especially in the finals, where endurance and concentration waver the most.

Props: Acorn Squash, pectin, and cranberries for my concentration levels being maintained
Slops: Ponder and Brainstorm for x6 letting me down on game 3 of the finals. Clearly these cards are offal.

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Did some rounds of testing with this list against UWr Patriot (with Treasure Cruise and Wasteland) today. About ten games and only three wins :-/ Opponent often prevented me from resolving a Titan by wasting Cloudpost (and sometimes forcing Crop) or forcing the Titan. Elephant Gras is great in early and midgame state! Buys a lot of time. Still missed SDT often, especially when finding two fetchlands and a Crop while pondering. Chain of Vapor is sweet, especially when Gras is in play, opponent wastes a land, no crop in hand : bounce gras, sac targeted land to copy chain and bounce fliped Delver feels like boss [emoji28] Will do some more testing soon, considering Sundroplet as well...

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Funny that you mention that caw, because I just yesterday won a local GPT (24 people) with this list:

// Lands
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
3 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
2 [LRW] Island (1)
2 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M12] Primeval Titan

// Spells
4 [MM] Brainstorm
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
3 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [US] Show and Tell
3 [ON] Chain of Vapor
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [VI] Elephant Grass
4 [LRW] Ponder

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 1 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog


My matchups were Burn (2-0), BUG control (2-1), Manaless Dredge (2-0), Esper Deathblade [worcester scg list] 2-1, ID /w Belcher. Top 8: Death and Taxes (2-0), U/R Delver (2-1), Manaless dredge (2-1)

::EDIT for tournament report::

Round 1: Burn
Game 1 has him put me down to 12, and I show and tell Emrakul with 2 islands in play. Not your normal play, but it'll often get there game one. Huzzah.

Game 2 I hydroblast a goblin guide and a monastery swiftspear, with two free lands and grind him down to zero cards while I go down to 1 to hardcast a primeval titan. This blasts me upto 15 life and he doesn't draw price of progress. I know he has pyroblast in hand, so I dig something furious for two counters incase he draws a pop as I had to pass back, siding out emrakul. After getting to storm 16 he concedes.

Round 2: BUG control
Game 1 is my deck being insanely resilient in the face of counters. He has thoughtseizes and lilianas, and I have treasure cruises and titans to counter.
Game 2 I mull to a hand of 5 lands and candelabra. He seizes away the candelabra and my next 3 draws are lands. my 4th draw is a brainstorm, which I sorcery speed cast, and his 4 lands cast notion thief. What. a. blowout. Deck didn't want me to win that one. I scoop to save time.
Game 3 is much more of a slog fest, but I resolve a kozilek on turn 5 and that generally goes poorly. The game grinds out significantly with him countering loads of things, but the raw advantage of Kozilek draw and treasure cruises seal the deal.

Round 3: Manaless Dredge
Game 1 has him with a turn 2 kill with balstrade spy, which he goes for without therapying. I go for crop rotate into glacial chasm and he mills himself.
Game 2 I have surgical for bridges and a crop rotate to sweep his yard. Tried to avoid showing him tabernacle and elephant grass, which I was able to do.

Round 4: Esper Deathblade
Game 1: He does deathblade things, which involves controlling the non-land board, which I generally have vacant until the win stage presents itself. Kozilek did some serious work. A treasure cruise had to be forced, and then another resolved.
Game 2: I get stuck on 3 lands hard, with my only draw being repeal on his deathrite shaman. My lack of mana development catches up with me as he draws 3 forces for my 3 titans and we go to game 3.
Game 3: I have an extremely resilient hand of brainstorm, ponder, ponder, fetch, fetch, crop rotate, show and tell. He seizes away my show and tell in quick order, and I start cantrip building. He came prepared with plentiful forces and treasure cruises before I do, catapulting him forward in advantage. In the penultimate turn with us going to time and me on turn 3 with him having 1 away from lethal on his board, I cast kozilek, knowing he has a force of will, which gets countered, Glen Elendra Archmage, which gets countered, and candelabra of tawnos, which enables me to draw 4 more cards off kozilek via an untapped karakas and my refreshed 16 mana. My first 7 cards are completely dead off kozilek, but the 8th is a chain of vapor, which nets me ridiculous mana off my candelabra to get emrakul and steal turn 4 with anihilator 10 and a guarantee of turn 5 as well thanks to karakas.

Semifinals: Death and Taxes
Game 1: He leads with a slower start of a turn 2 thalia, I lead with what could have been a turn 3 kozilek, but opted for a turn 4 and a blue source as he has a karakas. He bounces my guy while attempting to establish pressure. Kozilek draws me 4 more cards for the second time, and I get elephant grass going. Unable to attack while develop, his damage slows down to 2-4 a turn, while I develop madly, and in 2 turns I am wildly out of control for him.

Game 2: He keeps a more aggressive vial + ports plan, and I burn my cantrips early to avoid potential spirit of the labyrinth shenanigans off his vial. He stoneforges, then revokers, but elephant grass is being a nuisance. He gets managara-karakas lock going while I have a tabernacle and many cloudposts ticking and goes multiple turns of equal trading to me while I am taking no damage but making land drops. A Primeval titan tutors up a karakas and more mana than mangara can eat once-per-turn, and the next turn he concedes when titan, tabernacle, karakas, and 12 mana for kozilek overwhelm him.

Quarterfinals: U/R Delver
Game 1: I keep a hand of triple elephant grass, cantrips, and mana. He keeps a 2 mana hand of cantrips and monastery swiftspear. Guess how this goes? I'm at 17 life before I take no damage for the rest of the game and cast emrakul.
Game 2: A very grindy game where I have hydroblasts galore but no elephant grasses, allowing him to hit me and cantrip freely. He resolves a treasure cruise one turn before I do and therefore has the counter for mine, and 2 turns later gets a blood moon. 4 turns later of weak beats is my demise.
Game 3: Similar to game two of the game of grind. After an eot Hydroblast on a blood moon, I manage to cast a titan after the show was forced pitching a daze, putting me upto ridiculous life totals and getting both my basics. He attempts a double bolt on my titan, but I hydroblast the second bolt. After this he keeps back a pyromancer-swiftspear to block the lethal titan. I eot hydroblast the monastery swiftspear and after blocks I repeal the blocking pyromancer and elemental for exactly 5 lethal trample damage.

Finals: Manaless dredge
Game 1: I get lucky. No two ways about it. He sees my hand with therapy naming crop rotation, with my only live card being a repeal and trop-trop available. He goes for balstrade spy on turn 2 and I respond to the zombie triggers from dread return by repealing a zombie. I draw. Crop Rotation. of Course. I let him mill himself out fully, and then crop rotate for Glacial Chasm and he mills himself out.
Game 2: I mull to 4. FOUR!. I was mulling for hate, but more importantly the hands after my first had zero mana. I keep on ponder-Snapcaster-Land-Surgical. As best as I can hope for. The game grinds itself out hard and my future ponders and cantrips yield me nothing after repeated shuffles. I end up getting beat for 3-4 a turn while my deck kept bricking on me, until that final swing where we go to game 3.
Game 3: Another mull. No mana. My hand is Ponder, Surgical, Brainstorm, fetch, fetch, titan. As keepable as ever. First ponder reveals ponder, brainstorm, emrakul, which I keep as this gives me plenty of look next turn. He discards a Grave troll and passes. I fetch away emrakul, ponder, see 3 lands, shuffle and draw a land. Ponder again, 3 lands. shuffle and draw a land. Pass. He street wraiths on my eot, flipping some delicious cards, including a bridge and ichorid. I wait until he goes to therapy me with a dead ichorid, and exile his bridges with surgical. He passes, with plenty of sauce in his yard to dread return things galore next turn. I draw a candelabra, which I cast, now having a cloudpost in play. Brainstorm reveals brainstorm, land, and a chain of vapor. Relatively rubbash. I fetch and the second brainstorm reveals bog, and chasm and fetch, after I've played my land for turn. Oh why do you hate me sometimes deck? Where are my show and tells, crops, elephant grasses, surgicals?! I chain of vapor to buy me a turn of hateflayer death, and he dread returns a chancellor of the annex, which is highly relevant since I have exactly 6 mana for titan, and annex now counters it. I develop mana, cast another ponder, which I shuffle and draw... a land from. And pass, tapped out. He has me dead to rights with a dread return on his hateflayer as I'm at 1 life after his attacks. He dread returns, I'm ready to scoop, and the target is ... A 2nd Chancellor of the Annex. I blink. twice. four times. amazed. I've been given a turn for free, via my titan in hand, I just need to draw one mana that doesn't ping me for one (looking at you misty rainforest x2 in my hand). I draw.. a cloudpost! Slam it in play, a 2nd candelabra joins the fray and still generates positive mana despite double chancellors. Primeval titan hits play despite costing 8. I think about the best way to address this board at 1 life and him having 11 power in creatures in play (nether shadow, x2 chancellor of the annex) and ichorids and hateflayers in the bin. I get Tabernacle at pendrell vale and bojuka bog targetting him. This sweeps his grave and kills his lethal -swing of any guy in upkeep. I breath the biggest sigh of relief ever, and he concedes with my next attack, which gets me infinite turns.

The poor guy was terribly tilted, but these things happen, especially in the finals, where endurance and concentration waver the most.

Props: Acorn Squash, pectin, and cranberries for my concentration levels being maintained
Slops: Ponder and Brainstorm for x6 letting me down on game 3 of the finals. Clearly these cards are offal.

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Did some rounds of testing with this list against UWr Patriot (with Treasure Cruise and Wasteland) today. About ten games and only three wins :-/ Opponent often prevented me from resolving a Titan by wasting Cloudpost (and sometimes forcing Crop) or forcing the Titan. Elephant Gras is great in early and midgame state! Buys a lot of time. Still missed SDT often, especially when finding two fetchlands and a Crop while pondering. Chain of Vapor is sweet, especially when Gras is in play, opponent wastes a land, no crop in hand : bounce gras, sac targeted land to copy chain and bounce fliped Delver feels like boss [emoji28] Will do some more testing soon, considering Sundroplet as well...

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Funny that you mention that caw, because I just yesterday won a local GPT (24 people) with this list:

// Lands
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
3 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
2 [LRW] Island (1)
2 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M12] Primeval Titan

// Spells
4 [MM] Brainstorm
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
3 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [US] Show and Tell
3 [ON] Chain of Vapor
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [VI] Elephant Grass
4 [LRW] Ponder

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 1 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog


My matchups were Burn (2-0), BUG control (2-1), Manaless Dredge (2-0), Esper Deathblade [worcester scg list] 2-1, ID /w Belcher. Top 8: Death and Taxes (2-0), U/R Delver (2-1), Manaless dredge (2-1)

::EDIT for tournament report::

Round 1: Burn
Game 1 has him put me down to 12, and I show and tell Emrakul with 2 islands in play. Not your normal play, but it'll often get there game one. Huzzah.

Game 2 I hydroblast a goblin guide and a monastery swiftspear, with two free lands and grind him down to zero cards while I go down to 1 to hardcast a primeval titan. This blasts me upto 15 life and he doesn't draw price of progress. I know he has pyroblast in hand, so I dig something furious for two counters incase he draws a pop as I had to pass back, siding out emrakul. After getting to storm 16 he concedes.

Round 2: BUG control
Game 1 is my deck being insanely resilient in the face of counters. He has thoughtseizes and lilianas, and I have treasure cruises and titans to counter.
Game 2 I mull to a hand of 5 lands and candelabra. He seizes away the candelabra and my next 3 draws are lands. my 4th draw is a brainstorm, which I sorcery speed cast, and his 4 lands cast notion thief. What. a. blowout. Deck didn't want me to win that one. I scoop to save time.
Game 3 is much more of a slog fest, but I resolve a kozilek on turn 5 and that generally goes poorly. The game grinds out significantly with him countering loads of things, but the raw advantage of Kozilek draw and treasure cruises seal the deal.

Round 3: Manaless Dredge
Game 1 has him with a turn 2 kill with balstrade spy, which he goes for without therapying. I go for crop rotate into glacial chasm and he mills himself.
Game 2 I have surgical for bridges and a crop rotate to sweep his yard. Tried to avoid showing him tabernacle and elephant grass, which I was able to do.

Round 4: Esper Deathblade
Game 1: He does deathblade things, which involves controlling the non-land board, which I generally have vacant until the win stage presents itself. Kozilek did some serious work. A treasure cruise had to be forced, and then another resolved.
Game 2: I get stuck on 3 lands hard, with my only draw being repeal on his deathrite shaman. My lack of mana development catches up with me as he draws 3 forces for my 3 titans and we go to game 3.
Game 3: I have an extremely resilient hand of brainstorm, ponder, ponder, fetch, fetch, crop rotate, show and tell. He seizes away my show and tell in quick order, and I start cantrip building. He came prepared with plentiful forces and treasure cruises before I do, catapulting him forward in advantage. In the penultimate turn with us going to time and me on turn 3 with him having 1 away from lethal on his board, I cast kozilek, knowing he has a force of will, which gets countered, Glen Elendra Archmage, which gets countered, and candelabra of tawnos, which enables me to draw 4 more cards off kozilek via an untapped karakas and my refreshed 16 mana. My first 7 cards are completely dead off kozilek, but the 8th is a chain of vapor, which nets me ridiculous mana off my candelabra to get emrakul and steal turn 4 with anihilator 10 and a guarantee of turn 5 as well thanks to karakas.

Semifinals: Death and Taxes
Game 1: He leads with a slower start of a turn 2 thalia, I lead with what could have been a turn 3 kozilek, but opted for a turn 4 and a blue source as he has a karakas. He bounces my guy while attempting to establish pressure. Kozilek draws me 4 more cards for the second time, and I get elephant grass going. Unable to attack while develop, his damage slows down to 2-4 a turn, while I develop madly, and in 2 turns I am wildly out of control for him.

Game 2: He keeps a more aggressive vial + ports plan, and I burn my cantrips early to avoid potential spirit of the labyrinth shenanigans off his vial. He stoneforges, then revokers, but elephant grass is being a nuisance. He gets managara-karakas lock going while I have a tabernacle and many cloudposts ticking and goes multiple turns of equal trading to me while I am taking no damage but making land drops. A Primeval titan tutors up a karakas and more mana than mangara can eat once-per-turn, and the next turn he concedes when titan, tabernacle, karakas, and 12 mana for kozilek overwhelm him.

Quarterfinals: U/R Delver
Game 1: I keep a hand of triple elephant grass, cantrips, and mana. He keeps a 2 mana hand of cantrips and monastery swiftspear. Guess how this goes? I'm at 17 life before I take no damage for the rest of the game and cast emrakul.
Game 2: A very grindy game where I have hydroblasts galore but no elephant grasses, allowing him to hit me and cantrip freely. He resolves a treasure cruise one turn before I do and therefore has the counter for mine, and 2 turns later gets a blood moon. 4 turns later of weak beats is my demise.
Game 3: Similar to game two of the game of grind. After an eot Hydroblast on a blood moon, I manage to cast a titan after the show was forced pitching a daze, putting me upto ridiculous life totals and getting both my basics. He attempts a double bolt on my titan, but I hydroblast the second bolt. After this he keeps back a pyromancer-swiftspear to block the lethal titan. I eot hydroblast the monastery swiftspear and after blocks I repeal the blocking pyromancer and elemental for exactly 5 lethal trample damage.

Finals: Manaless dredge
Game 1: I get lucky. No two ways about it. He sees my hand with therapy naming crop rotation, with my only live card being a repeal and trop-trop available. He goes for balstrade spy on turn 2 and I respond to the zombie triggers from dread return by repealing a zombie. I draw. Crop Rotation. of Course. I let him mill himself out fully, and then crop rotate for Glacial Chasm and he mills himself out.
Game 2: I mull to 4. FOUR!. I was mulling for hate, but more importantly the hands after my first had zero mana. I keep on ponder-Snapcaster-Land-Surgical. As best as I can hope for. The game grinds itself out hard and my future ponders and cantrips yield me nothing after repeated shuffles. I end up getting beat for 3-4 a turn while my deck kept bricking on me, until that final swing where we go to game 3.
Game 3: Another mull. No mana. My hand is Ponder, Surgical, Brainstorm, fetch, fetch, titan. As keepable as ever. First ponder reveals ponder, brainstorm, emrakul, which I keep as this gives me plenty of look next turn. He discards a Grave troll and passes. I fetch away emrakul, ponder, see 3 lands, shuffle and draw a land. Ponder again, 3 lands. shuffle and draw a land. Pass. He street wraiths on my eot, flipping some delicious cards, including a bridge and ichorid. I wait until he goes to therapy me with a dead ichorid, and exile his bridges with surgical. He passes, with plenty of sauce in his yard to dread return things galore next turn. I draw a candelabra, which I cast, now having a cloudpost in play. Brainstorm reveals brainstorm, land, and a chain of vapor. Relatively rubbash. I fetch and the second brainstorm reveals bog, and chasm and fetch, after I've played my land for turn. Oh why do you hate me sometimes deck? Where are my show and tells, crops, elephant grasses, surgicals?! I chain of vapor to buy me a turn of hateflayer death, and he dread returns a chancellor of the annex, which is highly relevant since I have exactly 6 mana for titan, and annex now counters it. I develop mana, cast another ponder, which I shuffle and draw... a land from. And pass, tapped out. He has me dead to rights with a dread return on his hateflayer as I'm at 1 life after his attacks. He dread returns, I'm ready to scoop, and the target is ... A 2nd Chancellor of the Annex. I blink. twice. four times. amazed. I've been given a turn for free, via my titan in hand, I just need to draw one mana that doesn't ping me for one (looking at you misty rainforest x2 in my hand). I draw.. a cloudpost! Slam it in play, a 2nd candelabra joins the fray and still generates positive mana despite double chancellors. Primeval titan hits play despite costing 8. I think about the best way to address this board at 1 life and him having 11 power in creatures in play (nether shadow, x2 chancellor of the annex) and ichorids and hateflayers in the bin. I get Tabernacle at pendrell vale and bojuka bog targetting him. This sweeps his grave and kills his lethal -swing of any guy in upkeep. I breath the biggest sigh of relief ever, and he concedes with my next attack, which gets me infinite turns.

The poor guy was terribly tilted, but these things happen, especially in the finals, where endurance and concentration waver the most.

Props: Acorn Squash, pectin, and cranberries for my concentration levels being maintained
Slops: Ponder and Brainstorm for x6 letting me down on game 3 of the finals. Clearly these cards are offal.

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I thnk sun droplet would be to slow in the way drop of honey is to slow

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Well MUDpost is in another thread.

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I know. I post in that thread semi-regular. What I've learned from MUD-Post is that against Delve(r) though is how the deck runs out of steam the longer it has to fight out a game, and the more it has to pay to do what it wants to do. The more I read about bounce, the more time I understand Turbo Eldrazi can buy time. The reason I talk taxes though and life gain on bodies is because they provide solutions that last more than one turn... and life gain from creatures throws off damage from Price of Progress more efficiently than Glimmerpost.

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But I just told a few folks how 3 cmc answers are too slow against u/r.

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Yeah, I could see that. I sometimes forget that Sol lands and Grim Monolith add significant speed to consistently drop Trinisphere and Lodestone Golem... and Chalice is often a double edged sword in UG 12-Post. I'm not innovating for innovation's sake, but this is definitely me musing more than I should about how pervasive Delve(r). What I'm trying to do is see how many of the tricks and goodies that I use to survive with MUD-Post would also work here. The one I'm truthfully the most optimistic about is Thragtusk. I would also wish Trinisphere would work, but like I said, my MUD mindset is tilting the realistic expectations because I sometimes forget that MUD-Post has fundamental differences to 12-Post.

Rock, what's a good substitute for 2 flusterstorms? I only own two and don't want to pick up two more at the moment.
I'm intrigued by your latest list. :-)

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Rock, what's a good substitute for 2 flusterstorms? I only own two and don't want to pick up two more at the moment.
I'm intrigued by your latest list. :-)

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Funny that you mention that caw, because I just yesterday won a local GPT (24 people) with this list:

// Lands
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
3 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
2 [LRW] Island (1)
2 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M12] Primeval Titan

// Spells
4 [MM] Brainstorm
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
3 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [US] Show and Tell
3 [ON] Chain of Vapor
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [VI] Elephant Grass
4 [LRW] Ponder

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 1 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog

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I understand the ponder and grass which I have been advocating since way back when. There are a few things I hope you can enlighten me on:

1. No Bog main? I thought reanimator was tough for this. Also, I find it slows other decks like ones with goose or cruise.
2. 1 Vesuva?! Just Cray
3. No force in the side? ... OK, I guess ...
4. Have you decided that 3 Cruise is the right number, for certain?
5. I'm cutting a chain for a third show, I don't care what anyone says. But could the chains be Exploration? Prolly not but it'd make me happy.

P.S. do you bring the surgicals in against combo/recurring waste? I would

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5. I'm cutting a chain for a third show, I don't care what anyone says. But could the chains be Exploration? Prolly not but it'd make me happy.

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Oracle of Mul Daya > Exploration after about turn 3, which is a nice way of saying that Exploration does not have long game potential. But even so... while it accelerates mana, it does not provide any real defensive measure, which Vapor does.

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/...2268418232.png

This guy looks like he could be interesting. Living the dream: Play him, return fetch, fetch for trop, crop rotate for fetch... profit?

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http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/...2268418232.png

This guy looks like he could be interesting. Living the dream: Play him, return fetch, fetch for trop, crop rotate for fetch... profit?

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The way Titania is costed (five is pushing playability in most of legacy), I'd argue that she could create a UG Control or play well in Nic Fit or Lands. Cloudpost feels like a hinderance because comes into play tapped is relevant for the kind of speed you describe. And also Wasteland is on the list of cards that I'd want to revive with her, which 12-Post doesn't have room for at the moment.

I look at Titania in terms of what she could bring to the table for us and I sort of question her value. Don't get me wrong, putting in 5/3 beatsticks off fetchlands or Crop Rotation is neat and all, but I can't help but feel that the matches she would be strong in are matches where we'd already be strong. She also is sort of muscling in on Primeval Titan mana and, well...he's probably better by a lot. She might be a little bit better against BUG due to being able to gum up the ground (barring True-Name Nemesis), but even then the tokens are still vulnerable to Abrupt Decay. You also have to care about keeping her alive, whereas (usually) you can just swing Prime Time into anything since all you usually care about is getting more land.

Still, I'll probably give her a shot at some point.

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I look at Titania in terms of what she could bring to the table for us and I sort of question her value. Don't get me wrong, putting in 5/3 beatsticks off fetchlands or Crop Rotation is neat and all, but I can't help but feel that the matches she would be strong in are matches where we'd already be strong. She also is sort of muscling in on Primeval Titan mana and, well...he's probably better by a lot. She might be a little bit better against BUG due to being able to gum up the ground (barring True-Name Nemesis), but even then the tokens are still vulnerable to Abrupt Decay. You also have to care about keeping her alive, whereas (usually) you can just swing Prime Time into anything since all you usually care about is getting more land.

Still, I'll probably give her a shot at some point.

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I agree. With Oracle of Mul Daya's casting cost she would be nice, but cmc 5 including GG is too close to Prime Time and feels like win-more

Is the blue/green Turbo Drazi and the Mono Green Drazi the same thread? Like this one:

http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=14008&iddeck=103075

How do you guys think is the MU against the UR Delver? I think it's kind of favorable, they don't run Stifle and Wasteland, although they have a blistering fast clock, many burn spells and Blood Moon, but it's still a good matchup because we have Repeal for their Delver and they will lose so much time due to it.

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Is the blue/green Turbo Drazi and the Mono Green Drazi the same thread? Like this one:

http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=14008&iddeck=103075

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It generally goes by the name Snow-Post here because of its sub-strategy of Dark Depths via Into the North. It's decent, but sans Tabernacle, the most important reason to play it is because budget is a real issue for players. That's not to say its not worth play time... but the reason UG still dominates the discussion is because it tends to play stronger and more flexible against a wider metagame.

It's pretty fun though.

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How do you guys think is the MU against the UR Delver? I think it's kind of favorable, they don't run Stifle and Wasteland, although they have a blistering fast clock, many burn spells and Blood Moon, but it's still a good matchup because we have Repeal for their Delver and they will lose so much time due to it.

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It's favorable because stall them and victory ensues. It's not a coincidence this is also why Miracles is surging again right now because they have the same plan... our's is just bigger. So far, MVP for me has been Glimmerpost. Whether it's Delve(r) or straight UR Burn, the biggest threat they can throw at us is if they are playing Price of Progress.

Creatures [14]
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
2 Dryad Arbor
4 Primeval Titan
4 Cursor of Kruphix

Instants [5]
1 Moment's Peace
4 Crop Rotation


Sorceries [6]
2 Into the North
4 Green Sun's Zenith


Artifacts [11]
3 Pithing Needle
4 Expedition Map
4 Sensei's Divining Top



Lands [24]
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Dark Depths
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
3 Snow-Covered Forest
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Vesuva

This is pretty close to list I'm working on building. Cursor seems like a legit answer in the current heavy red meta.

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// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 1 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog

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Most of the SB cards for the latest cruise build are self explainatory. I do have a couple questions.
1.) Are there any non-obvious matchups where Surgical Extraction shines? Obviously its good against graveyard strategies! Do you also bring in the set against wasteland strategies? What about combo strategies? I personally love this card in game 2 against anything if you won game 1, just so you can see what they have boarded in.

2.) Snapcaster Mage x1 Beat down? Is this just brought in as the 5th of any spell? Snap, flashback treasure cruise for infinite value!

3.) Most of the previous versions had Force of Will somewhere in the 75. Is the reason why it's gone is because it is card disadvantage?

4.) What happens if our opponent goes chalice for 1 on turn 1. I would assume that you just jam all the spells and try to treasure cruise to victory.

So the full Commander 2014 lists are out, and here's cards I think we got that we could potentially use:

Song of the Dryads We don't have to splash white for Banishing Light.
Well of Ideas/Loreseeker's Stone We have the mana to play this, and we get an immediate return on it if it resolves. This isn't on the list to play it though. This is on the list to ponder if/when Treasure Cruise leaves the Legacy format... although Dig Through Time will likely have to follow behind it as well because that card's awesome as well.
Unstable Obelisk Mana rock that can come around to murder a threat down the line. While I wouldn't like more than Ulamog, it's colorless destruction and a mana rock. It's improvement over Oblivion Stone is that I don't have to play around the fact I have things (like Candelabra) that I don't want to explode.
Reef Worm It's cute. We can play it, probably shouldn't, but it's something in terms of Mid-Range options.
Masterwork of Ingenuity Eh, everyone gets a sideboard card for Batterskull.

In all seriousness, Song of the Dryads has the most potential I could see out of the set.

Things we have to worry about:
Dualcaster Mage Five words: We play blue delve cards. Beyond that, this also gives them shenanigans with Crop Rotation, our none Hydroblast Counters, and can steal the draw from Repeal (I would totally copy Repeal targeting the same permanent to draw a card then have yours countered without a target... if the copy also copies X... if not, I still have rules things to learn). Upside is three mana (thank goodness Wizards isn't interested in completing the broke 2 mana cycle) means that this guys shenanigans are not for everyone... It'll probably see fringe play at least though because giving instants/Sorceries legs is always an upgrade.

Containment Priest It's not a big deal, but if Show and Tell, Sneak Attack, Reanimator, and/or Dredge kicks up, I could see this card being annoying. It exists, I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up somewhere, sometime, for some reason.

And that's really it as far as I know. Beyond Songs of the Dryads, I see some shake up, but nothing really of too much... you know, unless I'm wrong.

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So the full Commander 2014 lists are out, and here's cards I think we got that we could potentially use:

Song of the Dryads We don't have to splash white for Banishing Light.
Well of Ideas/Loreseeker's Stone We have the mana to play this, and we get an immediate return on it if it resolves. This isn't on the list to play it though. This is on the list to ponder if/when Treasure Cruise leaves the Legacy format... although Dig Through Time will likely have to follow behind it as well because that card's awesome as well.
Unstable Obelisk Mana rock that can come around to murder a threat down the line. While I wouldn't like more than Ulamog, it's colorless destruction and a mana rock. It's improvement over Oblivion Stone is that I don't have to play around the fact I have things (like Candelabra) that I don't want to explode.
Reef Worm It's cute. We can play it, probably shouldn't, but it's something in terms of Mid-Range options.
Masterwork of Ingenuity Eh, everyone gets a sideboard card for Batterskull.

In all seriousness, Song of the Dryads has the most potential I could see out of the set.

Things we have to worry about:
Dualcaster Mage Five words: We play blue delve cards. Beyond that, this also gives them shenanigans with Crop Rotation, our none Hydroblast Counters, and can steal the draw from Repeal (I would totally copy Repeal targeting the same permanent to draw a card then have yours countered without a target... if the copy also copies X... if not, I still have rules things to learn). Upside is three mana (thank goodness Wizards isn't interested in completing the broke 2 mana cycle) means that this guys shenanigans are not for everyone... It'll probably see fringe play at least though because giving instants/Sorceries legs is always an upgrade.

Containment Priest It's not a big deal, but if Show and Tell, Sneak Attack, Reanimator, and/or Dredge kicks up, I could see this card being annoying. It exists, I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up somewhere, sometime, for some reason.

And that's really it as far as I know. Beyond Songs of the Dryads, I see some shake up, but nothing really of too much... you know, unless I'm wrong.

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I think they already shook up enough with treasure cruise lol. I guess I won't be stockpiling this years decks.

I suspect that Containment Priest will see a home in Death in Taxes SB. That may hamper the show and tell a primeval titan and steamroll them plan.

Containment Priest shouldn't be a problem at all for us. Show and Tell is not the priority wincon for us. Even if it was, they have to put the Priest down in response to the Show for it to do anything, in which case you just elect not to put a creature onto the battlefield, turning the Priest into a hugely situational kinda-counterspell-but-not-really that also would disable Aether Vial in DnT.

As far as Priest is concerned, we should be more worried at the prospect of it making Delver decks stronger (or even more omnipresent than they already are) by virtue of what decks it can (potentially) keep down. Maybe the real home of Priest is in UWR Delver? Just a thought.

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I think they already shook up enough with treasure cruise lol. I guess I won't be stockpiling this years decks.

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I'm expecting things from Song of the Dryads. Green has always been a color that has to splash for opposing answers (most notable is black for Abrupt Decay and Maelstrom Pulse), so a flexible green card that neutralizes a threat (even temporary) is something that Legacy players playing non-BG or BGX I believe should give a shot. And we fall right in that caveat. Also, it stops Goblin Piledriver... corner case, but worth mentioning if Goblins pick up.

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Containment Priest shouldn't be a problem at all for us. Show and Tell is not the priority wincon for us. Even if it was, they have to put the Priest down in response to the Show for it to do anything, in which case you just elect not to put a creature onto the battlefield, turning the Priest into a hugely situational kinda-counterspell-but-not-really that also would disable Aether Vial in DnT.

As far as Priest is concerned, we should be more worried at the prospect of it making Delver decks stronger (or even more omnipresent than they already are) by virtue of what decks it can (potentially) keep down. Maybe the real home of Priest is in UWR Delver? Just a thought.

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Containment Priest is only a threat in the same way that Chalice of the Void for 1 is a threat to us: it cuts down options. Unlike Chalice though, it only stops 2-4 cards (maybe more if Green Sun picks up again), so it is a corner case. I mentioned it only because interacts with us in a threatening way. Not a MAJOR threatening way, but significant enough to mention. Although as a Preboarding option for American Delve(r), I could see it growing more troublesome.

Titania will completely change ramp strategies forevermore. By far the best legacy ramp focus. Enables crazy strategies like scapeshift, or small advantages such as crop/fetch/chasm tricks.

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Titania will completely change ramp strategies forevermore. By far the best legacy ramp focus. Enables crazy strategies like scapeshift, or small advantages such as crop/fetch/chasm tricks.

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She does seem good, but my worry was more that she seems like she's strongest in matches where we're already strong. Then again, the more I think about it, I tend to be very, very defensive with Crop Rotation...knowing I could get a 5/3 dork even if the Crop gets countered doesn't seem like the worst thing in the world. Also, she's like, 2 dollars and I've spent 2 dollars on far worse. No real harm in giving her a whirl.

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Titania will completely change ramp strategies forevermore. By far the best legacy ramp focus. Enables crazy strategies like scapeshift, or small advantages such as crop/fetch/chasm tricks.

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I see Titania taking on a life of her own (I knew I forgot a card in my card breakdown). I don't really see her fitting in a 12-post shell or even the Turbo Eldrazi archetype. She seems to me that she would fit stronger in a new archetype free of Cloudpost, a lands/control hybrid (meaning miracles minus miracles + green or just Lands.dec built around her). That's not to say I disagree with the notion she can play in this deck, but she has stiff competition at five mana.

I've been mulling over Songs of the Dryads some more, and I've come to the conclusion I cannot think of any other card I'd rather put in off an opposing Show and Tell in print because of some of the sly rulings cheating auras entails. However, I'm not completely familiar with them, so I have two questions:
First and most important, does cheating auras use the stack to attach to the permanent?
Second, does cheating an aura bypass Emrakul's pro colored spells?

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I see Titania taking on a life of her own (I knew I forgot a card in my card breakdown). I don't really see her fitting in a 12-post shell or even the Turbo Eldrazi archetype. She seems to me that she would fit stronger in a new archetype free of Cloudpost, a lands/control hybrid (meaning miracles minus miracles + green or just lands built around her). That's not to say I disagree with the notion she can play in this deck, but she has stiff competition at five mana.

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The main issue I see with Titania in our shell is that in spots where I can resolve her, I'd almost always prefer a Titan or an Oracle. I haven't even properly adjusted to the recent drastic changes to our strategy fully, so there's a chance there is a deck that wants both titan and titania, but I'm lukewarm on here in a cloudpost deck. She might be the final excuse I need to put some actual testing into a Veteran Explorer Landstill shell I've been having in mind for a while.

Am uncertain right now if Song of the Dryads actually works against SnT and the timing of how things resolve. Gotta look up those comprehensive rules first to be sure. It might not actually be able to be attached to a permanent that enters the battlefield at the same time.

Edit: 303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player’s control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn’t specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura’s enchant ability and any other applicable effects.

They key part is "as the Aura enters the battlefield", which is before any of the permanents put in by SnT have actually entered the battlefield, so you can't choose whatever your opponent cheats in. This is the same reason Phantasmal Image/Phyrexian Metamorph didn't work with the old legend rule. Bummer, I liked the idea of having a catch all SnT answer that is playable, but not spectacular on its own.

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They key part is "as the Aura enters the battlefield", which is before any of the permanents put in by SnT have actually entered the battlefield, so you can't choose whatever your opponent cheats in. This is the same reason Phantasmal Image/Phyrexian Metamorph didn't work with the old legend rule. Bummer, I liked the idea of having a catch all SnT answer that is playable, but not spectacular on its own.

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*Sigh*

Legacy was *this* close to finally having a catch-all for any card Show and Tell could cheat into play. Well... that's good knowing before I get a judge called on me for trying.

I'm still going to see if I can find room to test it, but with this information, I'm not going to have a full playset split between the main and the side anymore.

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Titania will completely change ramp strategies forevermore. By far the best legacy ramp focus. Enables crazy strategies like scapeshift, or small advantages such as crop/fetch/chasm tricks.

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I have been testing then most recent list you posted and have been very happy with it after playtesting it against the current metagame a bit more. That being said, what would you change if you wanted to play Titania in 12 Post?

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*Sigh*

Legacy was *this* close to finally having a catch-all for any card Show and Tell could cheat into play. Well... that's good knowing before I get a judge called on me for trying.

I'm still going to see if I can find room to test it, but with this information, I'm not going to have a full playset split between the main and the side anymore.

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So you cast it in response to S'n'T. Remember, the Priest has Flash.

Has anybody been playing against UR Delver much? Even with 4 BEB I'm having a difficult time against Price of Progress + Pyroblast/Force of Will backup and I'm something like 30-70 post board against it right now. Suggestions?

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Has anybody been playing against UR Delver much? Even with 4 BEB I'm having a difficult time against Price of Progress + Pyroblast/Force of Will backup and I'm something like 30-70 post board against it right now. Suggestions?

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as great as elephant grass has treated me, I'm actually testing out elderscale wurm.

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as great as elephant grass has treated me, I'm actually testing out elderscale wurm.

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... in hopes that opponents won't be able to kill the creature? you plan to S&T it into play or hard cast? S&T makes it less reliable as you are already aware and casting it won't help against the fast matches...

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... in hopes that opponents won't be able to kill the creature? you plan to S&T it into play or hard cast? S&T makes it less reliable as you are already aware and casting it won't help against the fast matches...

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How does Show & Tell make it less reliable? The plan works fine with Titan.

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How does Show & Tell make it less reliable? The plan works fine with Titan.

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in a game where you need to stop the bleeding quickly you cannot rely on assembling a 2 card combo with the limited digging in this deck in such a short amount of time...

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So you cast it in response to S'n'T. Remember, the Priest has Flash.

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I don't think we're talking about the same card here: Song of the Dryads does not have have flash.

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as great as elephant grass has treated me, I'm actually testing out elderscale wurm.

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That's... significantly more expensive than Elephant Grass and the most color intense card this deck has played to date. I thought your latest venture back on the last page was working out well for you in this warping meta. What's happened?

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That's... significantly more expensive than Elephant Grass and the most color intense card this deck has played to date. I thought your latest venture back on the last page was working out well for you in this warping meta. What's happened?

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Blood Moon doesn't hit you for 14-20. U/R Delver is moving away from Blood Moon and toward Price of Progress. And unlike Burn, they can protect it.

Yesterday I top 8'd a gpt with a similar list to what I won with previous week. Today we'll see what I can shake up.

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as great as elephant grass has treated me, I'm actually testing out elderscale wurm.

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Elderscale Wurm seems like it could be sweet, though with it I'd want more Show and Tells. If only it stopped Deathrite from putting you below 7 :/

On a semi-related note, I've improved the Delver MU considerably by cutting lands to get to 2 Vesuva, 2 Basic Island, 2 Basic Forest. I also have been unhappy with Chain of Vapor without as many targets and have changed the list to -3 Chain, +1 Repeal, +1 Show and Tell, +1 Crop Rotation. I have been much happier with this configuration and haven't really felt like I've sacrificed anywhere else outside of Delver.