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The fact that you suggest Juzam and not Plague Sliver means you have some personal attachment to it, either because you dropped a benj on it, or it's been a pet card of yours. In any case, it's not playable.Quote:
Originally Posted by positivenegative
If you want additional creatures, look at Terravore, Vendilion Clique, and potentially Kira, Great Glass Spinner.
I guess I just figured it was a cheap threat. Is it that BB is too mana intensive or getting pinged every turn just isn't worth it? I personally don't own any Juzums' and was just tired of my V. Cliques fragility.
Either way, Terravore is really good and I'll definitely be trying that out.
Just that it doesn't have any evasion and Tarmo beats it in every way, for half the cc. Taking 1/turn and getting chumped ad nauseum isn't very appealing either. Terravore at least has Trample and the potential for a much bigger butt late game.Quote:
Originally Posted by positivenegative
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I'm interested to know if you guys are still running Tombstalker or have most dropped it in favour of Confidant?
On a side note, I do agree with those that say once you drop Tomby, the deck is not really TA anymore but rather Dark Thresh or BUG tempo, due to the different way it plays.
I tested confidant and tombstalker and I still like the tombstalker version better. Confidant completely changes the way the deck plays and makes it worse in my opinion. But yeah as people have said, they're really two different decks when you switch in confidant since it affects a lot of your other choices.
Once you drop Stile + Tombstalker, and start adding more pinpoint discard + Confidant + Jace + more lands to support Jace, you're playing a different deck imo.
Stifle seems like a great card to be playing these days, despite just about every deck running mental misstep. It can steal games sometimes, and is perhaps the most important card in terms of playing the aggressive "tempo" role. With plenty of decks running Stoneforge mystic and/or ancestral vision, and hivemind combo now being a "real" deck, it's bound to have targets beyond simply fetch lands.
The plan of playing Confidant, Clique and Jaces in this deck is a bad one the last time I tested this configuration in a tournament last week. I stomped Control and Aggro-Control but had terrible losses against fast Aggro, like Affinity, Zoo or Sligh-burn. Even you rip their hand you Need more pressure in form of Stalker. I always ended up with Goofy's sworded and Confidant facing "boards of beats" smashing me in the face too. Clique is cool vs. Landstill and stoneforge trigger but is very passive in the average game
Personally I've done really well with the Jace/Bob/Clique version of this deck vs. fast aggro decks like zoo with 2 Pernicious Deed in the main. That card just shuts them down. I've been trying a combination of the more tempo-oriented version, and the control version and i've been liking it quite a bit. My real problem with the new style of the deck is that it doesn't play daze.
The thing to remember is that landing your 2-drops ON turn 2 if the most important thing you can do in this deck, which is why you need to be running daze's. Who cares if we bounce a land to resolve a hymn or a bob, etc, because the best spells in the deck cost 2 mana. Chances are we will be trying to resolve a 2-drop on turn 3 anyways, so why not back up your dudes with more countermagic.
I ran misstep, force, hymn and spell snare because of stoneforge, Confidant, goofy, standstill, etc. and that suit was pretty nice. Daze + Clique + Jace doesn't sound good in my ears.
I tried running spell pierce but I couldn't get past the fact that I had to choose (assuming I didn't have a force in hand) over whether or not I could make a 2 drop, or counter an opponents 2 drop. On the play, I want to cast a hymn AND counter their stoneforge, etc- daze lets you do that.
One doubt, Im playing now the version with 20 lands + stifles and without Jaces, Do you think that is correct to keep an initial hand with 1 land and 1 cantrip (we dont know what is playing our opponent)?
I think that yes what I would like to read your oppinions
I think i would if it was Ponder, it'd be debatable if it was Brainstorm. You know you'll still not be drawing the Land in the next 2 Cards. Ponder gives you a shuffle if you need it
What he said^^
Also, it's far more keepable if that one-lander includes a daze or two, because you'll still be making "land drops" with that one land for a turn or two.
However, it is definitely risky. The rest of the hand should justify keeping it.
Almost never if it was brainstorm, definately with a ponder on 6, With a ponder and awesome sauce, maybe on 7. You should also consider whether your oponent plays wasteland.
Phyrexian Obliterator
Is it possible to run him at all or is his 4 BB cost too much?
Too much.
You only have 4 Underground Seas and a Bayou. They are all susceptible to Wasteland, and 4 for an evasive beater is 2 too much. Just run 4 Goyf, 4 Tombstalker.
Then he's basically a Suicide Black card. Thought so.
I tried Chrome Mox in a local tournament last week. It allowed me to land hymn round 1 or even bob round one. I am aware that its a different deck (i run it without stifle and no tombstalker) but it flew through most of my opponents. What are your thoughts on chrome mox?
SCG REALLY needs to get their deck archetype labels correct:
Team America
A Legacy Magic deck, by Alex Krenik
10th place at a StarCityGames.com Legacy Open tournament in Indianapolis, Indiana, United States on 2011-06-05
As reported at http://www.starcitygames.com/openseries
Click here to see a summary of all decks from StarCityGames.com Invitational
Maindeck:
Creatures
4 Dark Confidant
2 Sower of Temptation
4 Tarmogoyf
Instants
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
2 Go for the Throat
4 Mental Misstep
2 Putrefy
4 Stifle
Legendary Creatures
2 Vendilion Clique
Sorceries
3 Preordain
Basic Lands
1 Island
Lands
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
4 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Wasteland
Sideboard:
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Null Rod
2 Yixlid Jailer
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Krosan Grip
3 Spell Pierce
2 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Isn't this just Nassif-style BUG?
If you look at the top 16 of the last SCG open, you'll see that it's mostly combo or decks that can beat combo. Classic TA is pretty much the 'combo slayer' of decks, while still having game against opposing control and aggro decks. Now seems to be a great time to be playing TA, especially if Hive Mind truly becomes the combo DTB.