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Keep in mind that True-Name Nemesis had hit a month beforehand and the meta was, at least at Providence, 100% Stoneblade/WUR. I'd imagine it became slightly less ridiculous over the course of that month, but I'd still be more than willing to bet that the goal of his sideboard was to brutally shit on True-Name Nemesis while still remaining semi-versatile with regards to the rest of the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironclad8690
Trying on my phone, but Twitch is being a jerk. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by afedelejr
I'm going to stream the 2pm Legacy DE if you guys can come and check it out. I am making a ton of mistakes and losing miserably :)
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-Anthony
Played in my weekly legacy tourny yesterday. Lost to tin fins in 2 games, lost to new UR treasure cruise delver in 3 games (very close), then lost to lands in 2 games.
Tin fins were close, game 1 I thoughtseize him and take away his only tutor entomb, follow up with drs on turn 2. I flood out with no other permanents but lands, and he eventually draws enough cards to shallow grave and entomb with a grisel already in the yard. Game 2 I keep a deathrite hand hoping he cant go off turn 1 but he does. He doesnt kill me, but he pithing needles deathrite and draws a million cards. i lose the next turn. Maybe i should have mulled into turn 1 discard or surgical.
Vs UR it was the typical he plays creature I try to remove sometimes it gets countered. Ended up getting to the point where a forked bolt off the top of his deck kills me. Game 2 I win by curving bolt into decay into punishing with mana up for daze. i then play engineered plague on humans and he scoops. Game 3 i play turn 2 engineered plague but he already has made 3 elementals and swiftspear doesnt die due to 1/2. He aggros me out while FoWing my punishing fires and I lose.
Vs lands, he was able to destroy my creatures quickly enough that I didnt have any pressure and marit kills me. Game 2 is very back and forth. I dredge through 3/4 of my deck without hitting a wasteland, and he gets marit the turn before i find wasteland dredged to my yard.
I still think these matchups are all fine, this was just a case of the bad luck. Maybe I will cut something from my sideboard for grafdiggers now that tin fins is a force in my local meta.
I just realized this week that Grafdigger's cage also stops Natural Order and Green Sun's zenith too. Great with the popularity of Elves latelyQuote:
Originally Posted by ironclad8690
Hey Everyone,
I played in the SCG Edison Legacy event this past weekend. I had a blast. My overall record was 4-4 which is ok for me. I've done better in the past but since I just started getting back into it, I wasn't too upset.
This is my first attempt at writing a report. I attempted to take copious notes during the matches.
Round 1 - BUG Delver
He played ponder turn 1, and I played DRS. He followed up with a Decay on my Shaman. I went T2 Shaman. He then went T3 AD on my Shaman. I figured that he might have been BUG delver with the Tombstalker build since he was killing all of my shamans so quickly. He then drops the Tombstalker on the board. I play a Liliana and she get's FOW'ed. He attacks for 5 and I follow up with a Punishing Fire + Bolt to kill the stalker. I follow up with a Goyf and get a beat or two in before it dies but he isn't able to do anything after that and I just clean up. Game 2 he plays Bayou and passes and misses his second land drop so I waste the Bayou and its game.
1 - 0
Round 2 - Rug Delver
I still am having such a hard time with this matchup. I just can't seem to beat these guys! Game 1 he plays fetch and passes. I play my fetch and pass. He plays a trop and passes. I play a second land and pass but he decides to Brainstorm. I said ok but quickly realized I could have fetched in response forcing him to crack his fetch and possibly BS lock himself if he wanted to stifle me. He then goes ahead and Delver's me out. I never had a shot. Game 2 I forgot to bring in Life from the Loam which didn't really matter because I just flooded out and never really played anything. I did make a huge mistake by playing a Confidant right into a known Forked Bolt.
1 - 1
Round 3 - Esper Death Blade, Stone blade, whatever blade.
Our first game lasted 35 minutes. He went for a T2 Mystic but I quickly ate it with a punishing fire landing the BS in his hand for a while. I was putting out threats but he used 6 StPS on me. There was a point where I had to Thoughtseize him forcing him to play out his BS so that I could Maelstrom pulse in afterwards which meant that my Punishing Fire was left in the GY I cannot remember how he got it out but he did somehow. I had an active library and took 8 dmg 3 different times trying to find another Punishing Fire or removal spell but eventually died to his multiple x/1's and x/2's. In game 2 I mulligan'd to 5 and He was able to get Batterskull online quickly and he just controlled the board from there.
1 - 2
Round 4 - Omnitell
First matchup against Combo. I am pretty happy I made it this far without facing it but it was going to happen eventually. Game 1 I just lost on turn 3 or 4. No interaction. In Game 2 he plays Leyline which I anticipated but still kept a Thoughtseize hand with a REB and Pyro also. I was able to apply enough pressure with Goyfs and Liliana to still keep him from going off. Game 3 he again played Leyline but I had the Golgari Charm in hand to deal with that. We get to turn 3 until I draw the green so I charm him and then thoughtseize him and this is what I see:
Show and Tell
Island
Enter the Infinite
Cunning Wish
I don't know why he didn't wish in response but I thought about this and decided to take the wish so that I could surgical it from his GY and then he couldn't get Release the Ants from the SB. He ended up drawing Omniscience and show and telling it into play and then playing Enter the Infinite and killing me with Emrakul. We had a discussion afterwards whether or not that was the right play and he suggested that I should have taken Show and Tell instead.
1 - 3
Round 5 - Poison (Berserk Stompy)
I won game 1 just by killing all of his dudes. In game 2 and 3 I mulliganed to 5 and just lost on turn 3 each game. Nothing to talk about.
1 - 4
Round 6 - Death and Taxes
He mulliganed to 5 in game 1 and I just won due to his inability to play anything. In game 2 it was a very grindy match with him using Mangara Thalia + Karakas to constantly keep my board stalled / cleared but finally I drew a wasteland and proceeded to win from there. This is another game where I did not see a single Punishing fire in over 15 draws.
2 - 4
Round 7 - Miracles
Once you get down into the x - 4 bracket people really don't have their hearts into it anymore unless they are there like me to just practice and get better. This was a fairly uninteresting match and I just tried to remember to not overextend and to play cautiously.
Round 8 - Storm
I lost right away to a turn 2 Ad Nauseum bringing him down to 2 life. Where are my burn spells!!! In game 2 and 3 I was able to keep him slowed down with discard and REB's / Pyros. I could also tell that he was just going through the motions like my previous opponent.
There were some very valuable lessons that I learned. This tournament, coupled with the half-dozen Legacy DE's on MTGO I've been doing has really shown me that my biggest hurdle right now is that I don't think things through. I have to slow down and have a plan prior to doing anything. I also find that I do not think about what my opponent can be doing, or how I can lose a lot during the match. I tend to just play the cards as they are drawn which has resulted in my many losses. These things are the biggest things that I am trying to be more aware of recently.
I am going to play in a local Legacy event tonight. I will try to take better notes along with Sideboarding as I am sure I am doing this wrong.
Any suggestions would be welcomed!
Anthony
It sounds like you had quite a few unfortunate mulligans. I find the same thing happens to me sometimes.
I probably would have taken show and tell or enter the infinite in round 4, since those cards usually most directly lead to a loss. It is a fairly redundant deck, and seeing 2/3 combo pieces in hand is always a bummer. I am never sure if I should try to hold Pyroblast/REB for the combo pieces or burn them early on cantrips.
I have also found infect to be a tough matchup, postboard it is sweeper or bust pretty often. Inkmoth is the trump for them since they have multiple ways of protecting it and it doesn't die to Abrupt Decay. I like to pithing needle it in games 2/3.
Stoneblade is usually a pretty decent matchup, it sounds like you just got unlucky.
Vs RUG Delver, you can always crack your fetches on their Upkeep to try and make them stifle their mana away, but sometimes they will just win on the back of FoW Daze and Stifle anyway. This will happen no matter what deck you play too.
Nice job on the victories an hopefully next time you don't get as many crappy opening hands!
Treasure Cruise is proving to be a problem. I have faced many a Young Pyromancer deck in the past couple of days, and even with Golgari Charm I am feeling serious heat. Hymn and Thoughtseize are not feeling as powerful anymore. Gerry T feels as though TC has invalidated Shardless, and Todd Anderson thinks it may invalidate (can you believe it?) BGx decks in modern. Have you guys been experiencing this at all?
No, when I saw the list I dusted off Patriot Delver and smacked them in the face with Jitte and SoFI. In testing though I did notice a few toys when I was playing Painter.
First, Thorn of Amethyst/3Sphere kicks them in the balls. Think of them much like a Storm deck. They will want to play lots of spells to buff Swifty and gain tokens. If you make everything more expensive, you slow them down.
Second, Rolling Earthquake is a fucking house. I mean its a 15 dollar card at most that offers little damage off Bob and just wipes their side of the table for every little cost. Buy some. In casting it you lose Bob and they lose the game.
Lastly, if you can stone wall their attack they tend not to have anything else. They have some limited burn, but if you stem the bleeding early you do not have to worry about it. Once they have nothing on the table, they really have nothing to offer in the way of pressure unless they draw nothing but burn.
Thorn of Amythist is a cool idea, I like having a permanent with that effect vs the likes of storm. I will make so.e space for that in my board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
I actually like this suggestion a lot, but, aside from hurting less off Confidant, have you found it to be any better than Toxic Deluge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
TC makes me wish I had some Chains of M. I like the suggestion of Thorn, as its a pretty versatile SB card against other decks as well. I like Rolling earthquake, though it is a bad cascade. Fire Covenant is another similar option, but I guess it's no better than Toxic Deluge besides instant speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironclad8690
Pyroblast/REB are still great options against those decks. I am also playing 1 mainboard Scooze lately too due to some local dredge players but he helps against delve too. What graveyard hate are you playing in your SB? I usually like Graf Cage, but if Delve TC decks are prominent Nihil Spellbomb is probably better. Also Engineered Plague naming Elemental works too.
Honestly no, that is because my testing was with Painter, not Jund so I had no option to use Toxic. When mentioning Toxic I like it more, save for the one time when you want to burn out Walkers. But since the deck in question is not running any, right now that does not matter.
Edit: I use a mix of Crypt and Cage for Sideboard options.
"Graveyard hate"? Grafdigger's Cage and two Surgical Extractions is what I usually run with, but I did add a Nihil Spellbomb and I've been relatively happy with it. I tried Relic of Progenitus, but stopped for obvious reasons even though it was hella strong. And Tormod's Crypt isn't worth it here. Its mana cost doesn't have any relevant bearing and it doesn't replace itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by hovercraft
I am playing 2 surgicals and an ooze. I think I will cut my 24th land for ooze maindeck (tin fins and lands in my local meta), since I feel like I have been flooding out a bit too much. With the extra space I will probably add a grafdiggers or spellbomb.
So, I'm looking at my maindeck and I have one flex spot up for grabs thanks to a lack of Punishing Fire. I've already got 1xGolgari Charm and 1xMaelstrom Pulse in the main, but I can't settle on that last slot. Right now I'm using Diabolic Edict and it's working out pretty well and I feel like it's well placed in today's environment, but I just feel like there's something better out there and I didn't know if anyone had any ideas. I'd prefer it to be a general usage kill spell and I'd prefer not to add another Abrupt Decay.
In other news, Wooded Foothills always seems to be the fetch I have whenever I want a basic Swamp and it makes me feel really bad about my life.
Do you have a maindeck loam? I tried that out a week or two ago and wastelocked some guys. It felt awesome if your meta is durdle heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
If not id say edict is the way to go. I think diabolic is best even though chainers has put up better results in the past.
I've gone off of Jund since Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time were spoiled. The inconsistency that Jund presented compared to Delver and Miracles was offset by the list forcing 1 for 2 trades over and over again, leading to big card advantage over time. With the card recovery available through TC and to a lesser extent DTT the trade-off is no longer a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironclad8690
You must have consistency to survive in this meta because blue now has both consistency and card advantage available.
At a minimum I'd have to find a way to play 4 Sensei's Divining Tops before I would pick up a non-blue multi-color list again.
I still play Jund on MTGO with good results but I always get a burn player that'll drop me to 2-2 on a DE. The LGS has even more burn players so I cannot use the deck in the shop, if I reach top 8 in the shop's legacy league I'd be using Jund since they are basically Delver variants that I have a fighting chance with.
The rise of burn is what is killing me in this deck. Treasure cruise isn't scaring me so much since I run chains in the board and I'm considering adding more discard.
Unless I'm playing a Loam deck, I hate Loam. Especially without Punishing Fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironclad8690
Pretty much this. I mean, I know it's winnable, but it's easily the worst match-up for me. I feel like the main problem is that any card that's good against Burn is only good against Burn. So you basically have to decide which part of the meta you want to severely gimp yourself against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuke is Good