Hi, did u try to cut removal and play Oblivion Sower + Ulamog instead?
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Hi, did u try to cut removal and play Oblivion Sower + Ulamog instead?
because ulamog and sower are not the solution to the problem. I do like to try sower once. Ulamog is way to cute main. im already having a hard time casting endbringer. Sower seems huge vs miracles, but miracles is already a good matchupQuote:
Originally Posted by Amunshax
But vs midrange Decks like shardless it should work, because u can handle Goyf, but vs Delver it is not what u want...
i do agree. almost all my 4-1's are based on losses vs grixis. its not even funny anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amunshax
I had moved on from Eldrazi in the Spring after struggling vs Shardless and Miracles adapted and was no longer a bye. Then over the summer I played something like 8 different decks in 8 straight events, trying to find something I liked. I liked UR Delver but couldn't beat Miracles.
I revisited Eldrazi, but there were some things in the established lists I didn't like, personally: I don't like Wasteland in this deck, I don't think the deck plays enough creatures, and I like Mox Diamond over the other popular accelerants. I also think Eldrazi Skyspawner is severely underrated, and I wanted to test out Wretched Gryff.
So I settled on this U Eldrazi list:
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Eye of Ugin
4 Underground River
2 Underground Sea
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Eldrazi Skyspawner
4 Endless One
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Wretched Gryff
Sideboard:
4 Dismember
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Thorn of Amethyst
I've only played the deck twice. First at a satellite for MTGFirst.com's next Quest for Power 9, where I finished in the top 4. In the semis I lost game3 vs Storm when I kept a 5-card hand that couldn't play hate until turn 2 (I didn't get a turn 2). I did beat a Legacy GP winner on Lands in the top 8 though. :)
Then I won an EE5 satellite with the deck this past weekend.
These weren't large tournaments (5 rounds + Top 8), but it's Baltimore - where every legacy tournament is a murderers' row of great legacy players.
Dropping Wasteland makes it easy to slot in the necessary blue lands. I chose to pair w/ black to save some life on Dismembers, but I did win one match by casting a Leyline of the Void.
The 8 cantrip creatures offset the card disadvantage from running Mox Diamond over Lotus Petal.
The 8 fliers improve your game vs opposing fliers, and vs opposing Eldrazi decks.
Eldrazi Spyspawner, specifically, helps you go wide (important vs Maze of Iths), ramps you, gives you access to <> vs Bloodmoon, exiles Bridge from Below on command (extremely relevant in the finals of the EE5 satellite), and he's the best thing you can hit with Matter Reshaper triggers.
Wretched Gryff also exceeded my expectations. He's much easier to cast than anyone realizes.
BTW, I haven't lost vs Grixis Delver.
Damn that looks like a spicy brew, esp the 3 stranglers. Im gonna try it out. Have you considered toxic deluge as well in the side? It is definitely one of the best sideboard cards available esp if you go with a black blur splash.
Actually, I had All is Dust in the strangler slots for the first tournament, but never sided them in. I had Engineered Plagues in the strangler slots for the second tournament, but never sided them in. So the Wasteland Stranglers are untested, but the plan is to bring them in vs any and all Deathrite decks, and maybe burn, since Dismember hurts too much in that matchup.
I play a somewhat similar list. What creatures are you most consistently feeding to Wretched Gryff for Emerge, or are you hard-casting it? And what is your average turn for playing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by f7eleven
It's about 50/50 between cast and emerge. Matter Reshaper is by far the most often sacrificed. I recommend drawing with Gryff before revealing for Reshaper, for Mox Diamond reasons. I've cast it 2nd turn, but 3rd or 4th is more common. I hard cast them turns 3, 4, and 5 of the same game once. :-p
I can see a deck with a bunch of flyers being good vs Delver.
Also, have you considered Displacers? That would require a white splash over a black one, but I can see the benefits for that.
I tried almost the same list with Displacer before Gryff came out (and the Urborg was a Karakas). The synergy was great with Skyspawner, but I don't miss him. I think Skyspawner is better than Displacer (I <3 Skyspawner).
Let's go 32 creatures and move the chalices to the board!
I have found this to be the case too-not sure if the meta is adjusting, or if the white splash just isn't that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noloam_
Every time my opener is a Karakas and a painland I die a little on the inside
yes. the whole deck is a coinflip. mulling into dubble eye, also makes me wanne cry XDQuote:
Originally Posted by pateuglow
@f7eleven: Gratz on the finish! Thoughts on Drowner of Hope and Elder-Deep Fiend on your UB version?
Can confirm, great brew. Considering trying it myself, since I lost to it playing for T8 in the Quest for P9, and in the quarterfinals of the EE5 satellite he mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by f7eleven
Great job on the win!
@darkgh0st I have not tried Drowner. The mana base cannot support deep fiend, unfortunately.
@dudedusty You can borrow it tonight, to try it out :)
Ok I cant be the only one, but i think the new legendary skyship has potential in eldrazi. Castable through bloodmoon, etb kills delver, and has flying to go through moat.
Displacer! Yeah cool Artifact that can get really nasty. Not sure if it finds a home at legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by maraxusofkelds
after a summerbreak, i went 5-0 today
won from:
-esper blade
-esper blade
-miracles
-grixis delver
-Sneaky show
were some pretty darn hard matches. it showed again that i cant cut the wails :(
The list with 4 oblivion Sowers and ulamog is getting more popular, two in the top 8 at scg over the last week or two.
Does this really help the difficult matchups like lands and grixis? I'm considering giving it a go, will play test it at the very least.
I don't see how you can run less than 4 eyes with 3 urborg though.... may need to tweak the mana base slightly from one of the versions I saw.