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In some testing on the internet I was playing against a guy who thought he had me with a Humility, I topped and flipped over Swans to CB.
He says, "lol i guess this wrath is no good either, you got combo?" I revealed Chain, Force, and Daze.
The most polite "Player Lost" I've ever gotten.
Yes, I did the same with a Enchantress-player. I countered Humility and Moat with it... Orgasm guaranteed. I then only had to keep Confinement off the table and won via combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by yawg07
It doesn't help you much except when facing decks with abnormal numbers of large beefy creatures. In all honesty the extra burn is more useful than the Swan Combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illissius
I also highly recomend Wheel of Sun and Moon as the 1 of win condition. Less risky than all the other win conditions and consistant.
Is Wheel of Sun and Moon supposed to be something else?
If not, walk me through...
Isn't this why the sb contains krosan grips, tormod's crypt, trygon predator, and red blasts? Also, the mana denial plan isn't good at all. They run 3-7 basics in addition to crucible. The wastes are great for taking out factory/academy ruins, and the stifles are great for EE and decree cycles, though. Honestly, the matchup is bad but not unwinnable by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by slyfer
Went to another local tourney and went 2-1-1 and got bumped out of finals by percentage points :rolleyes:
Round 1 - White Weenie - 1/2
Game 1: I get counter-top online and I combo out
Game 2: I can't burn off his creatures because they all have pro-red and I can't find a Goyf or a Goose until its too late
Game 3: Things are going very well and I'm about to combo off and bam here comes a 'geddon that I can't stop. :frown:
Round 2 - W/U Wizard Aggro - 1/1/1 (nihlistdeathtrip)
Game 1: He gets game one, but I can't remember what happened. He countered BOTH of my Counterbalances lol
Game 2: After a LONG drawn out battle of counterbalances and tops and force of wills, I get a goyf to stay on the table for the win
Game 3: Time was called upon the start of the match :tongue:
Round 3 - W/B Knights - 2/1
Game 1: I repeatedly kill Haakon and other knights and keep a few Goyfs on the table, get him to 3 and Chain him
Game 2: I misdirection his Hymn to Tourach, taking Therapy and Jitte or something, then his unstoppable Knight army overruns and I can't keep him down.
Game 3: Wow what a hand. Counterbalance, Top, Goyf, Goose, Goose, Fetch, Trop
I get my beatdown started and it is just too much coupled with counterbalance, I pull it out.
Round 4 - ITF - 2/0
Game 1: I combo off and he manages to flip Intuition into Lightning Storm. :/
Well, I've got one card left in deck and he is going to take my swans next turn.
I beat with swans, and chain him, he chains to the swans, and I chain back to him, he is at 4.
He takes my Swans and hits me with goyf and passes to me. I chain him. (he is at 1 now) he decides to copy it to his swans, I MISDIRECTION HIS COPY :D
Game 2: I had a counter for everything, and a grip for his deed. Tarmy went the distance.
Ugh then got bumped by like a percent or two :/
Ah well, I had fun and I still like the one of Misdirection, but it may change for Friday, we'll see.
so i am looking to put together the deck, dont have very much thresh experience so thought i come asking a few questions before i bought what i am missing.
i currently dont own much of the mana base, so i am looking to save some money by giving up some efficiency but i dont think that i will notice much of a difference.
the current fetchs i own are
4x wooded foothills
3x flooded strand
how would i build a mana base around that, also if i could go down to as few duals as possible to save on the $$
Swan-Thresh Local Tourney Report! 4-1-1 Top 2 Split!
Round 1 - W/B Knights - 2/0
Game 1: Counter-top gets online and my guys bring the pain, simple game
Game 2: Counter-top gets online and it goes back and forth, his Dystopia annoying the shit out of me.
He drops to 7 and lets it die, I top and see Krosan Grip and put it second so I draw Daze.
I play Swans and pass. He plays Dystopia and I flip Grip into it.
He passes and I show him the Chain of Plasma, but I just attack with Swans and Bolt him.
Round 2 - Sensei/Sensei - 2/0 (stalkerzero)
Game 1: He mulls to 5 and has consistant Brainstorms/Ponders, but I get counter-top down and 2 Goyfs.
Game 2: I Pyroblast a Trinket Mage, but he still has one Top and finds another shortly. I get a Goyf down as a 4/5, and pass.
I get counter-top out, and he drops a trinket mage, I reveal Ponder with CB. I play mistake and tap volcanic to play stifle on the mage.
He counterspells and I cannot pyroblast with a trop. :tounge: He gets his helm and plays it. I cannot counter.
Now HE play mistakes and starts to combo, I reveal Ponder and counter the top.
I find more Goyfs and bring the pain.
Round 3 - Eva Green (mostly) - 0/2
Game 1: Ugh I had to mull and only had one land, plus I had to keep dodging land-destruction.
I got rid of his Nantuko Shade and my Goyf started the pain bringing. He resolves Tombstalker when I'm at 5 :sad:
Game 2: Back an forth on this one, my Krosan Grip countering a Choke with my CB, but I forgot to leave it on top and he Grips my CB.
After a while he gets a Tombstalker to resolve and crushes me. Le sigh
Round 4 - R/G Madness - 2/1
Game 1: I draw nothing but freaking land and he has his Anger/Mongrel/Fireblast way with me :(
Game 2: He draws nothing but land and I have my Goyf/Counter/Top way with him.
Game 3: Pretty amazing game, all over the place. Goyfs and things all over. Mongoose being untargetable is so good.
Although something happened one that neither of us noticed until later. I bolted his Gathan Raiders and he Fireblasted in response to get hellbent.
I countered the fireblast and we both were absent-minded, and his raiders went to yard. I still feel bad about it.
TOP 4
Round 1 - Enchantress - 2/0 (landstill101)
Game 1: We each play a land and pass. He gets a second one and plays argothian, I brainstorm and Daze.
He stays at 2 lands and I get Counter-Top and hit 4 lands. I play Swans and pass. He can't hit 2nd white mana for Runed Halo (I had 2cc on top anyhow)
and I Chain of Plasma Swans and combo off.
Game 2: He has personal matters to attend to and respectfully backs out. My hand was nuts (3 land, brainstorm, daze, chain, swan) and his was bad, so no big deal.
FINALS
Round 1 - Armageddon Stax w/red splash (OneBigSquirrelGod)
We decide to split since it is 12:30 haha
I played my same list but with Predict instead of Misdirection, I didn't like it.
I think I will keep Misdirection in, I like having FoW #5 in control matches and creature removal re-direction.
Won myself $22.50 in store cred and went home. All in all, a good night.
Good show! Do you remember how you sideboarded for each match?
I knew I forgot something! Lemme see here ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihil Credo
Swiss
Against B/W Knights
Remove - 2x Ponder, 1x Predict
Put in - 3x Krosan Grip
Reason: In this match it is really good to have more 3-casters for CB-Top, especially since he boards in Dystopia.
If you've never played this before, you have NO idea how annoying Haakon can be, but one deck in the meta doesn't warrant SB Tormod's.
Against Sensei/Sensei
Remove - 3x Swans of Bryn-Argoll, 3x Chain of Plasma, 1x Lightning Storm, 4x Lightning Bolt
Put in - 2x Pithing Needle, 4x Stifle, 3x Pyroblast, 2x Krosan Grip
Reason: The combo is too slow for this match, and there is just SO MUCH hate in the SB for this deck.
Also the only creatures he runs, bolt is no good against, because all they have to do is hit play.
Against Eva-Green
I honestly don't remember what I did for this matchup, but whatever it was I'm pretty sure it was stupid.
I think I actually boarded out the combo ... which is a stupid idea, I dunno what I was thinking.
I don't know if all eva-green runs Deed, but this deck did. It was like ... Eva-Rock or something haha
Against R/G Madness
Remove - 3x Swans of Bryn-Agroll, 3x Chain of Plasma
Put in - 4x Stifle, 2x Pithing Needle
Reason: Lots of burn is bad for the swan combo, especially when they're boarding in Pyroblasts.
Stifle for the many fetches he ran, and Needle for Mongrel/Wasteland, although I ended up using it on Fanatic so I could kill a Goyf with Bolt.
Top 4
Against Enchantress
Remove - 4x Lightning Bolt, 1x Predict
Put in - 2x Pithing Needle, 3x Krosan Grip
Reason: Gotta get rid of problem Enchantments, so Grip comes in.
Needle is excellent against Words of War/Sterling Grove/Sacred Mesa, while Lightning Bolt does ... NOTHING! :D
If OneBigSquirrelGod and I would have played, I'd have done it like this
Against W/r Armageddon Stax
Remove - 4x Lightning Bolt, 1x Predict
Put in - 3x Krosan Grip, 2x Pithing Needle
Reason: Bolt can kill a Morphed Angel, but it more than likely won't due to several colorless artifacts.
Predict is "meh" pretty much everywhere, so I might as well squeeze that 3rd Grip in.
Needle says no Waste-Lock which is important for me to combo off.
This is the best build of White Stax I have ever seen. He and I used to test that deck ALL THE TIME.
Runed Halo and Oblivion Ring have had a lot of testing, and Halo comes out on top.
But the red splash lets you kill the creatures that always beat the shit out of you, I really think it is worth it.
I'm a big fan of the combo addition after looking it over last night.
I think the best parts of it are how well the deck does without it and the large threat it does add when it's in.
After my one month anniversary of my return to Magic, I have to say I see why Thresh is called the best deck in the format.
Alright, I'm gonna mix it up this week at my store's weekly legacy (if it happens) and play swans combo rather than canadian thresh. I feel like it'll be solid because counterbalance will also be a good meta card. Any tips on playing the swans variation? My meta is 2-3 thresh (1-2 canadian, one white), UWb Landstill, affinity/goblins/other aggro (not worried), a few combo (Breakfast, SI), and possibly a SuiBlack.
Needle Maindeck seems to be good in your meta. Regardless of the Thresh variant you're playing. With Swanthresh it will be hard to make room for it though. But there should be 2-3 in the board at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by MULocke
When playing against UWb Landstill, keep those Swans on the top of your deck! Counterbalancing Humility, Wrath, and FoF is awesome, and usually unexpected. Return to Dust, too.
Also, against that meta, I'd strongly suggest Spell Snare for the free slots in the maindeck. Stealing tempo is crucial against aggro, and it's a good card in the control and mirror matchup, and combo too for that matter - ok, it's a great card all around ;)
Open slots? I wasn't aware there were open slots in the list. Do you have a standard list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihil Credo
Also, Needle seems okay, but it comes in for my already good MU's. It doesn't come in for affinity anyway because pyroclasm and krosan grip makes plenty of cards coming in. I guess it comes in in the SI and breakfast matchups, but mostly the same argument there. Landstill - for EE I'm assuming?
18 landsQuote:
Originally Posted by MULocke
4 Mongoose
4 Goyf
3 Swans
4 Bstorm
4 Ponder
3 Top
4 Bolt
3 Chain
4 FoW
3 Cbalance
3 Daze
leaves two slots in the maindeck, one of which usually goes to the 4th Daze (although I personally don't like this with the combo in the deck, and I'm currently running 2x Spell Snare).
My list runs Daze #4 and a Misdirection in the "slots"
I really think Daze is necessary in some metagames, especially ones with Goblins/Combo.
It is also great against the early Enchantress plays.
I suggested playing it main. You run half of a combo deck that needs 4 mana and at least one of them red to slowcombo and the other half of the deck is vulnerable to LD, too which Canadian Thresh/Landstill/SuiBlack/Goblins run. On top of that has alot of other targets against Landstill (Factories) and Affinity. Shutting of Vial also removes quite some pressure in the Goblin matchup... I think they are really that good maindeck in your meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by MULocke
That leaves 3 slots. You maybe forgot to include the combo wincon? I've never actually played with this deck, so I'm wondering if it's really needed, instead of keeping a hand that can win given the game state, which may not be always possible, but /shrug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihil Credo
Yes, he did forget Lightning Storm. And I would say it IS vital since you can't win against a swarm of creatures which are going to bash your head in during the next turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaiminho