Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
Its too hard for eva to win. You have to walk all your early spells into counters just so that you have a chance of resolving something later. I try to focus on discard first 3 turns, then hopefully they have exhausted the counters in their first 9-10 cards and I try to resolve an arena or a threat. Arena first if possible since even if a threat makes it to the board then they might have StP or PtE waiting.
I run arena because everyone knows -8 from bob revealing tombstalker sucks, but mostly its because I never get more than 1 card out of bob since he is killed in short order. Where as if I resolve arena, its there for pretty much the whole game, and when arena is out I usually win.
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
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Originally Posted by
Tsnowflake
Its too hard for eva to win. You have to walk all your early spells into counters just so that you have a chance of resolving something later. I try to focus on discard first 3 turns, then hopefully they have exhausted the counters in their first 9-10 cards and I try to resolve an arena or a threat. Arena first if possible since even if a threat makes it to the board then they might have StP or PtE waiting.
I run arena because everyone knows -8 from bob revealing tombstalker sucks, but mostly its because I never get more than 1 card out of bob since he is killed in short order. Where as if I resolve arena, its there for pretty much the whole game, and when arena is out I usually win.
i see. Why not use bitterblossom.
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
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Tsnowflake
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Polluted Delta
2 Bayou
1 Forest
8 Swamp
19 Lands seems a little low? I know you have Rituals but do you not have some games where you struggled to get to 3 lands for Gatekeeper?
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lyracian
19 Lands seems a little low? I know you have Rituals but do you not have some games where you struggled to get to 3 lands for Gatekeeper?
I asked him this question too.
There are games i struggle to get the BB for a geth's verdict.
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
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lyracian
19 Lands seems a little low? I know you have Rituals but do you not have some games where you struggled to get to 3 lands for Gatekeeper?
Rarely, but yes I am aware that its a little on the low side. You should never struggle to get BB, its a rule of thumb to mull any hand that has less than 2 BB in it to start with, I find myself with 2-4 lands in my opening hand rather often.
As for bitterblossom, 1/1 flyers for jitte are nice. I think if I were to include bitterblossom in my list I would probably just replace the hypnotics with it OR go down to 3 ofs on Tomb/VNH/Gatekeeper, I'll have to test.
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Tsnowflake
Rarely, but yes I am aware that its a little on the low side. You should never struggle to get BB, its a rule of thumb to mull any hand that has less than 2 BB in it to start with, I find myself with 2-4 lands in my opening hand rather often.
As for bitterblossom, 1/1 flyers for jitte are nice. I think if I were to include bitterblossom in my list I would probably just replace the hypnotics with it OR go down to 3 ofs on Tomb/VNH/Gatekeeper, I'll have to test.
so you never had a hand of 6 cards where it was 2 wastelands 1 swamp, 1 thoughtseize, 1 hymn, and a nighthawk?
How can you mull to five in that situation?
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Avatar of Shadow
so you never had a hand of 6 cards where it was 2 wastelands 1 swamp, 1 thoughtseize, 1 hymn, and a nighthawk?
How can you mull to five in that situation?
i don't run wasteland, so that hand would actually look like 1 swamp and some combination of swamp fetch bayou.
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Tsnowflake
i don't run wasteland, so that hand would actually look like 1 swamp and some combination of swamp fetch bayou.
wow no wastelands. That's risky
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
Anyone have an update on the primer for the current metas?
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
Won a nine man tournament last weekend. Played against White Warship (2:0), Dredge (2:1), UW Landstil (2:0) and Stax (Draw) with this list:
4x Wasteland
3x Bayou
4x Verdant Catacomb
1x Bloodstained Mire
7x Swamp
1x Forest
4x Thoughtseize
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Hymn to Tourach
3x Bitterblossom
4x Sinkhole
4x Dark Ritual
2x Smother
2x Dismember
2x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Umezawa's Jitte
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Dark Confident
3x Vampire Nighthawk
SB:
2x Duress
3x Engineered Plague
4x Leyline of the Void
3x Pernicious Deed
3x Choke
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I decided to exchange Tombstalker to Bitterblossom. I died to much on the TombConfident Combo ;)
So long...
-BB-
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
After realizing MBC needed something extra, I started testing Eva Green; I have to say that this deck is a MONSTER! All MBC needed was a way to deal with artifacts and enchantments; Deed and Seal are absolute godsends in this deck.
Quite possibly my second favorite deck. Nothing compares to combo for me... XD
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
yea...welcome back Eva Green. Lets go beat up some combo decks.
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Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
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Greenpoe
Ritual is good again.
Thats what i'm saying. No more grind out games with bitterblossoms.
Back to the old list.
Creatures (17)
4 dark confidants
4 vampire nighthawk
2 tombstalker
4 tarmogoyf
3 gatekeeper of malikar
instants (8)
4 dark ritual
2 smother
2 dismember
Sorcery (15)
4 hymn to tourach
4 thoughtseize
2 inquisition of kolizek
3 maelstrom pulse
2 noxious revival
Lands (20)
4 bayou
4 verdent catacombs
1 forest
4 wasteland
2 marsh flat
1 misty rainforest
4 swamp
sideboard
3x phyrexian revoker
3x krosan grip
1x go for the throat
2x surgical extraction
2x Pernicious Deed
2x tomrod's crypt
2x null rod
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
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Avatar of Shadow
Back to the old list.
[...]
2 noxious revival
[..]
Shirley, you can't be serious.
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
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fallenphoenix
Shirley, you can't be serious.
So you never tried it. This card has won me games looking for answers that were used.
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
Holy mother of... Noxious Revival is so good i'm at a loss for words. At first I thought NR would only bring me card disadvantage and situational worthlessness but I still gave it a try. I don't have any arguments to support this claim but you have to trust me, it's good!
On a more serious note, why is VNH being played over Hyppie again? I really don't get the appeal of VNH as a beater in Eva Green. He doesn't put your opponent on a significant clock and doesn't disrupt in any way, he can safely be ignored.
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Qweerios
Holy mother of... Noxious Revival is so good i'm at a loss for words. At first I thought NR would only bring me card disadvantage and situational worthlessness but I still gave it a try. I don't have any arguments to support this claim but you have to trust me, it's good!
On a more serious note, why is VNH being played over Hyppie again? I really don't get the appeal of VNH as a beater in Eva Green. He doesn't put your opponent on a significant clock and doesn't disrupt in any way, he can safely be ignored.
problem with hippie is because he is too weak to fight against aggro decks. VNH also helps with the combo matchup in a different way, ie. you gain life he loses life, therefore he has to count his storms differently.
Hippie i love, but he's not good in this meta with zoo.
Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide
That's only against Tendrils based combo though and even then, some life isn't as good as making them discard.
Hyppie is also much better against control. Nighthawk is pretty much worthless in that matchup (and he's not that amazing against Aggro - something like Crusader or Obliterator is better against Zoo)
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Qweerios
On a more serious note, why is VNH being played over Hyppie again? I really don't get the appeal of VNH as a beater in Eva Green. He doesn't put your opponent on a significant clock and doesn't disrupt in any way, he can safely be ignored.
Play both. I like 3 Hyppie and 4 Nighthawk. In many matchups, one of those cards are the first to get sided out though. Hyppie is good against combo, blue, and can force them to StP him or lose their StP altogether. Nighthawk helps vs. aggro and is removal+evasion+stalls.
