This guy is bonkers. He works under Teeg. He's a monster in the mirror. He's just a house, period. Maverick will adjust to run this guy.
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This guy is bonkers. He works under Teeg. He's a monster in the mirror. He's just a house, period. Maverick will adjust to run this guy.
Elspeth is better in so much ways, exept its not playable with Teeg
(+1)+1+1 counter vs (+1) 1/1 token
swarming helps much more than 1 big guy, it chumps and defends the walker on his own
(-3)Doublestrike and Flying vs (+1)+3+3 and Flying
Pay that much Loyalty for that effect is bad. How often do you have a creature with power >3 anyway?
Ultimate
Both are fine, Elspeth usually won the game before getting it off.
Elspeth has been shaved in recent lists because she's too slow. This falls in a good spot on the curve and provides the most relevant portions that Elspeth provided - evasion. It gives an insane boost at that. I would play Ajani more like Liliana of the Veil is played - burst advantage, rather than grindy card advantage.
Yeah, you pop Ajani on a 5/5 Knight holding a SoFI and you're talking lethal damage that turn.
While I'm not certain Maverick would be the most optimal deck to use Ajani in (I think he'd be better in something more aggressive), even here we can see the potential applications.
Dope list, M@verick; incredibly fun to play, and Wayfarer is an absolute house now that Cavern of Souls has seen print. To all of the dissenters, I can vouch for M@verick's level of skill— he is one talented ass motherfucker. I can't remember just how many awesome matches I had with him back in 2010 on MWS playing NLT vs. his early Maverick lists, but there were a lot. So yeah, some things about it are certainly questionable, and I'm sure his list isn't 100% optimal, but have an open mind and realize that certain cards don't necessarily coincide with the goals that that list in particular wants to achieve. He knows what he's doing for the most part.
Actually, feel free to not have an open mind concerning some random dude's shitty Maverick list, just give M@verick the benefit of the doubt.
After playing against M@verick on MWS I have to say that the Aether Vial, D&T style Maverick beats the tar out of a stock GSZ Maverick, PF Mav, Bant Mav, and RUG Thresh.
It could be (likely) that I'm a bad player, but the Aether Vial Mav is remarkably consistent.
hey folks, i have learned that this deck has a shit match-up against decks that play terminus (primarily UW miracles and miracle blade, which is strange because traditionally stoneblade is a great match-up). teeg is very good against terminus, but they just plow him before they wipethe board. what are other ways to fight this?
Lost in top 4 of a 48 person the Doylestown, PA GPT with Maverick splashing 3 Spell Pierces in SB.
Didn't lost a match until I lost to 12post (deck actually looks legit)
Tournament report to come after I play tomorrow's Legacy tournament at Too Many Games' gaming convention.
Please post your deck list as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya
@Ajani, like in the deck, I don't think he's better than elspeth (Elspeth will actively build a board state, ajani needs a dude) but he seems good for what the deck needs right now.
Mother of runes, Thalia, and Elspeth tend to help. The matchup is rough though, not bad, but it's not easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by learntolove6
Saturday:
48 person GPT at Doylestown, PA
/ Lands
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
3 [U] Savannah
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [ON] Windswept Heath
2 [PT] Forest (3)
1 [IN] Plains (1)
2 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
2 [A] Tropical Island
2 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
// Creatures
3 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
4 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
4 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
4 [UL] Mother of Runes
2 [CMD] Scavenging Ooze
1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
3 [DKA] Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
1 [M11] Fauna Shaman
1 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker
// Spells
2 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
4 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
4 [IA] Swords to Plowshares
1 [CFX] Path to Exile
1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [CFX] Path to Exile
SB: 1 [DK] Maze of Ith
SB: 1 [ROE] Linvala, Keeper of Silence
SB: 1 [RAV] Life from the Loam
SB: 2 [DK] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
SB: 2 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 [TSP] Harmonic Sliver
SB: 1 [ISD] Purify the Grave
SB: 3 [ZEN] Spell Pierce
SB: 1 [LG] Sylvan Library
Notes: Ran a Library in the SB since I couldn't get another Linvala for the SB.
4-0-2 the swiss, beating RUG Delver, Mono White Death and Taxes, MUD and Reanimator.
I beat the same Reanimator player in the quarterfinals. Spell Pierce was pretty useful against Reanimator, even though I won both matches without it.
Then I lost in top 4 to 12post. I lost game 1 by punting a combat phase against 3 Primeval Titans (had Aven Mindcensor in play so I was not completely dead there). In game 2 I had a Thalia and 2 Oozes in play against his board of Forest, Cloudpost, Cloudpost, and Pithing Needle that named Wasteland. I Green Sun'ed for Qasali Pridemage even though I did not have a Wasteland in hand. Obviously I got punished by his Green Sun for Primeval Titan.
The tutor for Pridemage plan was absolutely awful as I still had to draw a Wasteland and I was dead to Crucible of Worlds or Primeval Titan even if I did draw Wasteland. I should have Green Sun'd for Gaddock Teeg as his body language looked like he needed a second green source.
So I cut the dead Library from the SB for an Aven Mindcensor and got ready for Sunday.
Sunday:
Decklist: Same as above, except -1 Sylvan Library for +1 Aven Mindcensor.
Only 20 players showed up, but the TO was nice enough to stick with the 10 dual land prize pool.
Round 1: Beat Mono blue energy field control.
Round 2: Beat Dredge.
Round 3: Drew with Affinity.
Round 4: Lost to Aggro-Loam.
Round 5: Beat Doomsday Storm.
Quarterfinals: Punt the mirror and scrub out.
Spell Pierce and the extra Mindcensor was obviously pretty insane against Storm.
I made the mistake of only siding in 1 Spell Pierce for the mirror as he was siding in extra planeswalkers. There was also a situation where I got a Jitte out early game 3 and if I had a Spell Pierce to protect my creatures from removal I would've gotten Jitte going before he destroyed it.
75 Probably needs a Garruk Relentless if Maverick and RUG remain 50% of the metagame.
Congrats on your finishes!Quote:
Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammit67
Obviously beat Matt playing for top 8 in last round, :dagger:
What are your thoughts on Gaea's Cradle?
Actually I dont like it. Its wasteable, its useless without creatures, cant sac to knight..
I prefer Forest or Fetchland
Sometimes is very good, especially with Ooze or Equipment, but I dont think its worth it.
And its an to expensive card for its uses, maybe that matters too.
Another great advantage of phyrexian revoker over qasali pridemage is that phyrexian is very good against planeswalkers and creatures like grim lavamancer, scavenging ooze, fauna shamman, etc...
But linvala is good aganst all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
Against Planeswalkers not, against creatures is better imo.
Planeswalkers are pretty niche in my opinion, less than half of the field plays 1+ in the main deck, and in cases like the mirror there are only 1-2, so I'd rather have revoker sb and linvala main.
Linvala and Phyrexian Revoker both have their advantages and disadvantages.
I think Revoker is safer as a MB card as it costs only 2 and can stop non-creature strategies. The most relevant cards, IMO, that Revoker gets but Linvala can't are Lion's Eye Diamond and Sneak Attack.
Gaea's Cradle: I've actually never played it, but I'd imagine it works really well with GSZ, Scavenging Ooze and moving around equipment. However, it makes the deck mulligan more just a bit more. It also opens the deck up to insane blow outs, like overextending to get more mana out of Cradle.
The Vial list looks pretty cool. As a DnT player I wonder why you didn't include Flickerwisp, as the synergy with the Vial is huge.
Cradle is probably more optimal with the SFM package and 3 cc equipments (because you can tutor, play, and equip on the same turn). As mentioned previously, it is also good with Scavenging Ooze. Personally, I always run 1 in my list because I think the benefits outweigh the costs. Sure, it is Wastelandable, but so are most of the lands in the deck. It is worthless without creatures and this is Cradle's biggest drawback. However, Cradle makes for some explosive starts and allows quick ramping with a Knight in play.
Hello. I came in 5th at the Legacy Open this weekend with GW.
4 Mother of Runes
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Sylvan Library
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Savannah
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Dryad Arbor
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Karakas
1 Gaea’s Cradle
3 Path to Exile
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Phyrexian Revoker (Star City has this listed as Phyrexian Metamorphs)
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Bojuka Bog
A tournament report can be found here, for anyone who is interested.
Why didn't you go for 3 Hierarch/1 BoP if you were on the Sword of ___ and ___ plan?
Most of the time that requires being lucky and seeing the BOP naturally, or more realistically GSZ for it. How often are you going to go for a BOP over Hierarch with an attacker already on board?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostGrown
Another angle to look at: Sword of X & Y provide protection to evade blockers. Flying isn't really necessary under this condition.
Exactly. The creature equiped with a Sword plus at least one Exalted trigger is probably bigger than anything they have anyways. I have not found one Birds to be relevant, as like Koby said, I have to draw it, and I don't want to GSZ for 1, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I did top 8 in the last legacy magic league master.
My deck list was a copy paste from M@verick decklist (version with vials).
Pairings:
2-1 vs threshold
2-0 vs monoblue painters
2-1 vs pox con liananas, the abyss, etc
1-2 vs bug
2-0 threshold
top 8
0-2 vs threshold.
I had bad luck in the top 8 because after testing a lot I think that show and tell is one of our best pairings and both finalist played show and tell on other hand if you play aether vial ugr threshold isn't a bad pairing.
At the beginning I dind't like wayfarer but now I love it, its very good, giving you karakas vs show and tell and reanimator, the speed of gaeas cradle or horizon canopies for extra draws against control decks, pox decks, etc.
IMO by far is more broken Aether vial vs blue than green suns zenith.
I only think that is better the another version in a metagame with storm, but now few people play storm.
Sure adding Aether Vial improves the blue match up. But with decent play you can probably beat most blue decks with Maverick. Like against UW miracles you just want to stick a Teeg and protect it. Or resolve a planeswalker against UW.
Hey Man! I followed some of the action online. Congrats on your top 8 finish! I just wanted to ask you a few questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1mpulse
How was Thrun? Do you think elspeth would have served better in that slot?
Do you think sword of body and mind(protection) or feast or famine(untap) could be more practicle then fire and ice?
Did you like stoneforge over the two fauna shaman that people are using instead in that slot?
What are your thoughts of a one of sylvan safe keeper?
Was Cradle necessary?
Did you feel having a singleton Aven Mindcensor would have helped main?
Finally, what changes (if any) would you have made if you could play in the tournament again?
Thanks!
I have some questions for GP Atlanta. Should I play an E Tutor sb? Is Fauna Shaman worth playing without Loyal Retainers? What's the verdict on Cradle - I'm seeing conflicting views!
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by ryscott85
Thrun all day, not even close. I've never been a fan of Planeswalkers in my GW deck.Quote:
How was Thrun? Do you think elspeth would have served better in that slot?
Thrun is uncountable, Elspeth is not. You can GSZ for Thrun, Elspeth you cannot. Hexproof is fantastic, making Thrun a great place to put your equipment safely. Additionally, don't play Planeswalkers if you're playing Thalia and Teeg.
I've never played Feast and Famine. This is mainly because drawing a card most of the time is better than making your opponent discard a card of their choice. Also, you don't need to untap your lands, you don't need to overextend (nor should you against certain decks). The protection from green isn't enough reason warrant it either.Quote:
Do you think sword of body and mind(protection) or feast or famine(untap) could be more practicle then fire and ice?
I don't like Body and Mind either. Milling really is terrible. What makes Fire and Ice way better over Feast and Famine as well as Body and Mind, is that both it's abilities are great, instead of subpar.
I'd play another Jitte before I played Feast and Famine, Body and Mind, or Batterskull.
Yes, I like Stoneforge Mystic, I've been playing it ever since it was printed. Always Jitte, SoFI, and SoLS. This is the lowest number I've ever run, and it had to be that way because this was the first big event I wanted to play Thalia (as I expected to see more Reanimator and Sneak and Show).Quote:
Did you like stoneforge over the two fauna shaman that people are using instead in that slot?
But to get back on track, no, I don't want to play Fauna Shaman. Fauna Shaman essentially has to meet a few requirements to be even considered good. 1) It has to untap. 2) You have to have a creature in hand, one you wouldn't mind pitching. 3) You're probably playing a bunch of one of's like Linvala. Fauna Shaman is way too situational. I rather just go get a Jitte and go to town.
I tried him when I first switched over from Vial. Didn't like him, taxed the land base. Sometimes I wouldn't even sac a land to protect a creature because I would need lands to keep playing the game. Mother is better, and there really are enough 1/1's in the deck.Quote:
What are your thoughts of a one of sylvan safe keeper?
This was my second tournament ever playing Cradle, and for a couple reasons. The first being I hadn't owned a foil one before. :PQuote:
Was Cradle necessary?
Second, like I said, this is the first time I've actually wanted to play with Thalia in the main. Thalia taxes you the deck, so having a way to make up for that is nice. I would definitely say if you play Thalia's main, you want a Cradle. If not, then probably not, as I wasn't playing it before and was doing great, and Cradle is sometimes awkward.
Nope. I would have had no way to get to a one-of Mindcensor. I also rarely even 'get someone' with a fetch land. I just use them against combo.Quote:
Did you feel having a singleton Aven Mindcensor would have helped main?
I'll probably run this, or something pretty close to this in Detroit this weekend.Quote:
Finally, what changes (if any) would you have made if you could play in the tournament again?
The main thing I'd consider is whether I'd want Thalia's in the main, or not. I lost my first game in top 8 due to Thalia taxing me against Goblins. Other times I didn't lose, but I wasn't able to do what I wanted to with my GSZ's.
Please let us know how you do in Detroit, win or lose!
Sure thing!
Also, forgot to mention the Revokers.
I don't know if those guys will be staying for Detroit. They were there for Sneak and Show, but there might be something better. They also would have been pretty good had I made it to Elves. Other than that, there isn't really any other high profile decks to board them in against.
Anyone think they have a better answer that has more applications against Sneak and Show other than Revoker?
Thornscape Apprentice, like. For reals.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1mpulse
Hmm. That's a guy. Don't know if it has broader applications, but he might be worth a slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Edit: Dies to Pryoclasm though, just like everything else. :/
You might want to try Gilded drake...
Gilded Drake is not reasonable for Maverick.Quote:
Originally Posted by bartmanqc
It doesn't do anything against Sneak Attack.
Also hard to cast and resolve.
Also won't be useful against anything else but Reanimator, and even there it is poor.
Well the application is more for Fat-cheaty-face-monsters.dec like Reanimator and Sneak Show. Neither of which really utilize sweepers. Against the former, I would suggest at min 3x Purify the Grave. Against the latter... well...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1mpulse
Lunch break.
Sneak and Show has the capability to run sweepers, and should be. While the lists I have seen that do, run Firespout, it really should just be Pryoclasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I'm not worried about Reanimator, I have Macabre's for them.
My philosophy is just that I want my sideboard cards to be to be as multi purpose as possible, so I can round out all my matchups.
Revoker got the nod because it can be boarded in against Elves, decks with LED, ect.
Thornscape Apprentice was exactly along the lines of stuff I was looking for though, off the beaten path and such.
I think Surgical Extraction is the best manaless GY Hate available, since it also useful against Stormcombo or RUG