Overextended/Neo-Legacy format scenario

i also think that overextended would not likely happen, but i also think that wizards is finding all means possible to get around the reserved list and provide better support for legacy as THE eternal format. they have already made attempts like premium foil reprints (karn, etc), and functional reprints (fork, etc). the way i see it is that there might be a possible functional reprint of the dual lands in scars. i've read an article (forgot which one) from wizards site about a dual land that gives poison counter to the owner. example

land
when land enters the battlefield you get a poison counter
tap: add r or b to your mana pool

i know it can't be fetched but it would be as close as a shock land gets to immitating the original duals.

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Originally Posted by Humphrey

Most decks wont play more Duals because of Wasteland or more colors than 2. Already a lot of lists run only 3ofs

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However if you could double up on your relevant duals wasteland would be alot less intimidating.

Anyhow, Extended when duals were legal was thriving and popular - extended after losing duals lost alot of popularity and legacy quickly gained more players, coincidence? I think not, people want to play the more interesting multicolored decks without having to use shoddy manabases.

To be honest I think duals (and wasteland) should be in the base set, it'd be healthy for all formats -- and sales. But one can always dream.

i agree dual lands, wasteland, sinkhole and price of progress on the base sets.

I think Wizards should just break down and release a couple playsets, maybe 12x of each dual in every set. Just to keep the supply constant. This would barely affect the price of duals, if at all, because of such a low number put back into circulation. It would also sell more packs, see Zendikar first print run with the "Hidden Treasures."

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Originally Posted by bloodbrother

i agree dual lands, wasteland, sinkhole and price of progress on the base sets.

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Imagine

Poison of Progress
1B
Instant
Each player gets a poison counter for each nonbasic land they control.

and

Poisoned Savannah
Land - Forest Plains
When this ETB, you get 2 poison counters.

Problem solved. Standard/Extended get lands that are basically non-optional shocklands, so you need to actually think about how to construct the best manabase and make decisions every game whether you want to fetch duals or basics, but in Legacy, the poison would be a non-issue unless you're playing against poison.dec.

Poison POP is there to further incentivize you to NOT play the maximum number of poison duals in your deck in smaller formats, while allowing the occasional blowout in Legacy (thus giving you incentive to go out and get the superior duals when you have the money). This should preserve the value of old duals while opening up the format to more players.

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Originally Posted by jrsthethird

Imagine

Poison of Progress
1B
Instant
Each player gets a poison counter for each nonbasic land they control.

and

Poisoned Savannah
Land - Forest Plains
When this ETB, you get 2 poison counters.

Problem solved. Standard/Extended get lands that are basically non-optional shocklands, so you need to actually think about how to construct the best manabase and make decisions every game whether you want to fetch duals or basics, but in Legacy, the poison would be a non-issue unless you're playing against poison.dec.

Poison POP is there to further incentivize you to NOT play the maximum number of poison duals in your deck in smaller formats, while allowing the occasional blowout in Legacy (thus giving you incentive to go out and get the superior duals when you have the money). This should preserve the value of old duals while opening up the format to more players.

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yup definitely agree with this one. ravnica duals are not played in legacy due to the fetchlands already lowering your life total. they could also make something like Murmuring Bosk type of land.

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Originally Posted by Humphrey

Most decks wont play more Duals because of Wasteland or more colors than 2. Already a lot of lists run only 3ofs

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No, the reason people don't play 4 duals in 3c lists is because of deck space. You include one basic of each color, because of Path or Wasteland (getting basics is usually the wrong play and loses you more games than you realize), and then there are 12 duals you can run. That leaves room for 5 or 6 fetchlands. Of course, you want to mazimize your chances of getting the right colors, so you need to make room for more fetches because they are essentially 3-color lands. This is why lists frequently run 9-10 fetchlands and only 6-8 duals (not regarding utility lands like Wasteland or Horizon Canopy). Adding poison duals would only increase the amount of playable duals in 2c decks because of this.

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Originally Posted by jrsthethird

Of course, you want to mazimize your chances of getting the right colors

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that typo sounds like something Strongbad would say.

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Originally Posted by jrsthethird

Imagine

Poison of Progress
1B
Instant
Each player gets a poison counter for each nonbasic land they control.

and

Poisoned Savannah
Land - Forest Plains
When this ETB, you get 2 poison counters.

Problem solved. Standard/Extended get lands that are basically non-optional shocklands, so you need to actually think about how to construct the best manabase and make decisions every game whether you want to fetch duals or basics, but in Legacy, the poison would be a non-issue unless you're playing against poison.dec.

Poison POP is there to further incentivize you to NOT play the maximum number of poison duals in your deck in smaller formats, while allowing the occasional blowout in Legacy (thus giving you incentive to go out and get the superior duals when you have the money). This should preserve the value of old duals while opening up the format to more players.

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This would still be bad in Legacy. Being unable to play 5 of them and the occasional "lol you lose" if they print a viable poison creature make them still unusable, even if better than Shockland in a vacuum. I dunno if they would be played, for sure you wouldn't run 10+ of them in a deck.
Also, White-blue land giving you poison seems... iffy.

I still liked the idea of making them snow lands. Scrying Sheets ftw.


Or even better, desert type lands of some sort. Like Desert Oasis, Sun-parched Dunes, or Place where stuff dies a lot and smells real bad.

Break out the camels. lol

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Originally Posted by DownSyndromeKarl

that typo sounds like something Strongbad would say.

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+1

I'm sad they don't update Homestarrunner.com anymore.

There are a million ways to dream up functional reprints of the dual lands. Doesn't change the situation though :-(

It would also be nice to have a FoW functional reprint. Maybe pay 2 life instead of 1? Or your opponent gains 3 life instead of paying 1 life?

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Originally Posted by Gheizen64

This would still be bad in Legacy. Being unable to play 5 of them and the occasional "lol you lose" if they print a viable poison creature make them still unusable, even if better than Shockland in a vacuum. I dunno if they would be played, for sure you wouldn't run 10+ of them in a deck.
Also, White-blue land giving you poison seems... iffy.

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They would be played by people who can't afford/don't want to shell out $50+ per dual land.

Ever hear of sun poisoning? Acid rain? Sound white and blue to me.

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Originally Posted by sigfig8

+1
It would also be nice to have a FoW functional reprint. Maybe pay 2 life instead of 1? Or your opponent gains 3 life instead of paying 1 life?

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Or they could just, you know, reprint FoW since it's not on the Reserved List.

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Originally Posted by sigfig8

It would also be nice to have a FoW functional reprint. Maybe pay 2 life instead of 1? Or your opponent gains 3 life instead of paying 1 life?

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Do we really need to be able to run 8 FoWs in the format?

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Originally Posted by lordofthepit

Do we really need to be able to run 8 FoWs in the format?

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Good point. I take it back and I agree with majikal. Let's just reprint FoW. Where would you release them to the public though? I do NOT want a standard format with FoW. It would be weird to have FoW be a headliner for a dual deck. Maybe FTV?

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Originally Posted by jrsthethird

No, the reason people don't play 4 duals in 3c lists is because of deck space. You include one basic of each color, because of Path or Wasteland (getting basics is usually the wrong play and loses you more games than you realize), and then there are 12 duals you can run. That leaves room for 5 or 6 fetchlands. Of course, you want to mazimize your chances of getting the right colors, so you need to make room for more fetches because they are essentially 3-color lands. This is why lists frequently run 9-10 fetchlands and only 6-8 duals (not regarding utility lands like Wasteland or Horizon Canopy). Adding poison duals would only increase the amount of playable duals in 2c decks because of this.

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thats exactly what i said lol

Moved to Community.

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Originally Posted by Humphrey

thats exactly what i said lol

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I thought the Wasteland was the most important part of your post, not the multiple colors.

Wow, am I the only one afraid that Mental Misstep is the new FoW if ever Wizards will create this format?

In response to the OP:

I would immediately sell everything that I have that is not overextended legal and play overextended. I'd be really mad that they killed legacy, but I would suck it up and play overextended because I love Magic.

Unfortunately, Overextended doesn't solve Wizards problem. It solves the reserve list problem, but not the problem of them getting eternal players to open more product...

It's so infuriating watching a fantastic product be managed by a bunch of damn morons. I may be starting a magic knockoff that has a better business model if these idiots destroy their own product eventually.