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When I heard about the wager at the GP and it's DQ, I at first agreed with the outcome. But at the time, my only knowledge of the events that happened was that someone had announced they won a wager, and were DQed for it. I didn't know who was involved, or when the actual announcement happened.
Now that I've read Drew's message and Wescoe's open letter, I feel that Wescoe is, indeed, a world quality douche. And I personally hope that at every single tournament he ever goes to again, every player there is gunning for him and watching every little thing he does in hopes of getting him enough infractions for a DQ from any event he ever plays in again.
The match was over when the comment had been made. Wescoe had lost, and Drew had his Top 8 slot. It seems pretty obvious that Wescoe was pissed because he lost to a non-Pro, and was trying to pull a win out for the Top 8 in any way he could. I, like many others I've seen on varies web pages, am now giving StarCity no business (not even a membership for their premium articles) until Wescoe is removed from their list of writers.
Granted, this means I'll probably never give StarCity business again...I never really gave them much to begin with. At GP: Chicago, I offered to pay $80 on a poor condition Beta Badlands that they had marked at $100 and they refused. At GP: Columbus, I offered to pay $200 each on four moderately played Bazaars of Baghdad they had marked at $230 each and they refused (I ended up getting 3 NM and 1 SP for $859 from two other vendors - much better deal than 4 MP for $800).
But hey...I now justified making a new avatar!
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LOL@your avatar. You've got something against douche bags? :laugh:
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mujadaddy
LOL@your avatar. You've got something against douche bags? :laugh:
Yes.
They're douche bags. Do I need more reason to dislike them?
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Solaran_X
Yes.
They're douche bags. Do I need more reason to dislike them?
Jeez, don't be such a Wescoe.
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What is amusing about the whole shebang is that it managed the rare feat of merging the Do Anything At All In Order To Win! camp with the Always Follow All Rules To The Letter! camp.
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Nihil Credo
What is amusing about the whole shebang is that it managed the rare feat of merging the Do Anything At All In Order To Win! camp with the Always Follow All Rules To The Letter! camp.
Just one of the many ways this situation drips with the cool taste of irony.
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Nihil Credo
What is amusing about the whole shebang is that it managed the rare feat of merging the Do Anything At All In Order To Win! camp with the Always Follow All Rules To The Letter! camp.
Haha this is so true.
What I find even more amusing is while Wescoe's discussions in the "Open letter to Drew Levin" forum is 8 pages long and counting, his 'productive' article posted about legacy countertop only has one post by beastman that reads "How is it that you are still allowed to write for Star City?" Fun to imagine the deadpan silence and the crickets chirping in the background.
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luckme10
Haha this is so true.
What I find even more amusing is while Wescoe's discussions in the "Open letter to Drew Levin" forum is 8 pages long and counting, his 'productive' article posted about legacy countertop only has one post by beastman that reads "How is it that you are still allowed to write for Star City?" Fun to imagine the deadpan silence and the crickets chirping in the background.
It just goes to show you, men are every bit as much gossip whores as women are stereotyped to be.
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MMogg
It just goes to show you, magic players are every bit as much gossip whores as women are stereotyped to be.
Nah, it was right the first time. ~Nihil
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Nihil Credo
What is amusing about the whole shebang is that it managed the rare feat of merging the Do Anything At All In Order To Win! camp with the Always Follow All Rules To The Letter! camp.
There are a number of players who would consider Levin to be a part of both those camps. I've personally seen him on the brink of tears trying to get Eli to disqualify a player because he "feared for his safety" and was going to "call the police" after a local Cuse player verbally put him in his place for being a douche.
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I'm going to go ahead and say that I support Wescoe in what he did. I mean, how different is this from your opponent having the game locked up and then forgetting to pay for a pact? Or forgetting a dark confidant trigger and getting a game loss for excessive warnings? Drew made a crucial error when he "deserved" to win, and his opponent took advantage of it. It ended up looking very malicious, as if Wescoe just got him DQ'd to spite him, but it is pretty clear he was just trying to get the match loss overturned. This reminds me a lot of the world cup game where Suarez handballed the ball off the goal line to save Uruguay from instant defeat against Ghana. Made him look like a "douche" or whatever. But ultimately it's a poor set of rules. Hand balls on the line when the ball is about to go in should be ruled a goal, not a penalty kick.
To be really good at any game, you have to be extremely competitive.
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Getsickanddie
There are a number of players who would consider Levin to be a part of both those camps. I've personally seen him on the brink of tears trying to get Eli to disqualify a player because he "feared for his safety" and was going to "call the police" after a local Cuse player verbally put him in his place for being a douche.
I'm going to apply my knowledge of the parties involved in this tale, and just flat-out assume that it wasn't Levin being a douche. Also that you are probably lying.
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juventus
I'm going to go ahead and say that I support Wescoe in what he did. I mean, how different is this from your opponent having the game locked up and then forgetting to pay for a pact? Or forgetting a dark confidant trigger and getting a game loss for excessive warnings?
How different is it possible to be? The answer to your question would be that plus a few for good measure.
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Drew made a crucial error when he "deserved" to win, and his opponent took advantage of it. It ended up looking very malicious, as if Wescoe just got him DQ'd to spite him, but it is pretty clear he was just trying to get the match loss overturned. This reminds me a lot of the world cup game where Suarez handballed the ball off the goal line to save Uruguay from instant defeat against Ghana. Made him look like a "douche" or whatever. But ultimately it's a poor set of rules. Hand balls on the line when the ball is about to go in should be ruled a goal, not a penalty kick.
I think it's a great example. In both cases, douchebags exploited an obvious technicality in the rules because they're douchebags. At least Suarez can say he did it for his teammates, though, and paid the price for it.
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To be really good at any game, you have to be extremely competitive.
If you're willing to be a douchebag to win a game, then you have misordered priorities.
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juventus
I'm going to go ahead and say that I support Wescoe in what he did. I mean, how different is this from your opponent having the game locked up and then forgetting to pay for a pact? Or forgetting a dark confidant trigger and getting a game loss for excessive warnings? Drew made a crucial error when he "deserved" to win, and his opponent took advantage of it.
Except in both of the cases you mentioned, the game isn't over yet. Drew comboed out with painterstone, they shook hands and signed the match slip. The game was completely over at this point with the winner officially decided, as opposed to missing a trigger which is a misplay that happens during the game. The examples are in no way similar to what actually happened.
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This reminds me a lot of the world cup game where Suarez handballed the ball off the goal line to save Uruguay from instant defeat against Ghana. Made him look like a "douche" or whatever. But ultimately it's a poor set of rules. Hand balls on the line when the ball is about to go in should be ruled a goal, not a penalty kick.
To be really good at any game, you have to be extremely competitive.
Yeees, except Suarez (who was horribly, unfairly penalized as well by a corrupt ref) also, like the above examples, did that during the game. He took the penalty anyway. Again, this game was already over. If Craig had called him on something Drew did purposely in-game, then Drew should receive a penalty as mandated by the rules. Instead, Craig lost the match and subsequently, reported an out-of-context remark to a judge in hopes of overturning the official result. There's a massive difference between competitive and unsportsmanlike (or any of the nastier adjectives that more correctly describe him).
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TheInfamousBearAssassin
I'm going to apply my knowledge of the parties involved in this tale, and just flat-out assume that it wasn't Levin being a douche. Also that you are probably lying.
Nope. It happened.
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Getsickanddie
There are a number of players who would consider Levin to be a part of both those camps. I've personally seen him on the brink of tears trying to get Eli to disqualify a player because he "feared for his safety" and was going to "call the police" after a local Cuse player verbally put him in his place for being a douche.
I don't know anything about this but I punted a tournament because he rushed me in the final minutes of the round and I made like 12 play errors. I had that game, but I have no practice playing under pressure so I did absolutely stupid stuff like forgetting that I had FOW in hand, and ran 4(!) Goyfs into Counterbalance like a moron. I take some blame for this but it just was not fun to play with him.
I guess I'm not surprised he would do something like that.
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jrsthethird
I don't know anything about this but I punted a tournament because he rushed me in the final minutes of the round and I made like 12 play errors. I had that game, but I have no practice playing under pressure so I did absolutely stupid stuff like forgetting that I had FOW in hand, and ran 4(!) Goyfs into Counterbalance like a moron. I take some blame for this but it just was not fun to play with him.
I guess I'm not surprised he would do something like that.
So... you made play errors, so he's a dick?
Assuming that these hearsay half-remembered accusations are true even for a moment, what effect does that have on anything? Wescoe mysteriously knew that somewhere, somehow this guy had been a jerk to someone who goes by the handle getsickanddie and has " We break your rib cage, and ask you what the fuck's crackin" on their sig, and thus he was absolutely justified in being a ginormous prick to try and steal a legitimate loss?,
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He was a dick, which is why I didn't play as well as I should have.
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Hope someone steals Wescoe's deck and he loses a match for it.
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jrsthethird
He was a dick, which is why I didn't play as well as I should have.
Someone asking you to play faster isn't unreasonable, unless you're already playing fast in which case you can ignore them and the judge won't care. If playing at a reasonable speed causes you to make mistakes, life sucks. You don't get ten minutes on each turn in this game. That's in no way equivalent to exploiting a blatant technicality and the failure of a judge to use common sense in order to try and steal a match.
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TheInfamousBearAssassin
Assuming that these hearsay half-remembered accusations are true even for a moment, what effect does that have on anything?
Half-remembered? It was one of the funniest/most pathetic things I've ever seen. It's burned into my brain.
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TheInfamousBearAssassin
Wescoe mysteriously knew that somewhere, somehow this guy had been a jerk to someone who goes by the handle getsickanddie and has " We break your rib cage, and ask you what the fuck's crackin" on their sig, and thus he was absolutely justified in being a ginormous prick to try and steal a legitimate loss?,
I've never even spoken with him, only observed his behavior at Eli's event. I'm not the only one that's seen him act like a prick, I'm just the only one that will say it. Did he deserve to be DQ'd? Probably not. Are there a number of people taking some measure of pleasure in it? Yes.
