[Deck] Nausea - Tendrils for the win.

Once, but he was at two because of Tendrils, so Bolt would have done the same thing. I didn't have the mana to get Tendrils, so Chain FTW.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but on the first page is where I keep my updated lists. I have recently added Promise of Power to the SB, and it is absolutely amazing. It serves as a great draw spell when you only have Rituals and no LEDs, and it is a very, very good alternate kill. I have killed 3-4 people with a Demon token in testing. It's good times, and makes for funny stories.

Roop

I've always used Promise in my Belcher lists, I find it to be a very good alternative to Spoils when you've got a less than stellar life total. But what exactly are you accomplishing with it in the sideboard? What would you bring it in against and what would you take it out for it?

He's finding them with Burning Wish.
-Slay

Oh, well that's obvious to me now. The way he put it sounded to me like it was in multiples. Even if you are finding them with the Wish, however, isn't that a hell of a lot of mana that you're not winning the game with? Sure, it's powerful draw, but at 2BBB it's really tipping the scales of one-shot mana sources here, as it requires a City/Egg and a Dark Ritual or a Thresholded Cabal Ritual. And that doesn't even take into account the Wish that found it. It seems to me like it would be much more versatile in the main deck, where it sort of replaces Meditate and also opens up an alternate win. If I'm screwed enough that I need to Wish for a Demon token with seven mana, I really worry about if it matters.

It actually costs 5ish mana, if you factor in Helm of Awakening. And 5 mana isn't that difficult to get on a consistent basis, especially with Threshold and/or LED.
-Slay

Has anyone tested Ill-gotten gains as a wish target? I'd be interested to see results.

IGGy has been in the board for a while. Look at the first page, where I keep updated list, before asking questions.

IGGy has been absolutely amazing. Just remember your opponent does it too, and you will be fine.

Roop

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It actually costs 5ish mana, if you factor in Helm of Awakening.

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I think that if something is an inclusion solely based on having a Helm in play, then it's not really that useful of a spot. I thought the whole point was that having a Helm was not entirely necessary for the combo to occur.

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It actually costs 5ish mana, if you factor in Helm of Awakening.

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I think that if something is an inclusion solely based on having a Helm in play, then it's not really that useful of a spot. I thought the whole point was that having a Helm was not entirely necessary for the combo to occur.

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Wishing for a PoP is not either. I would suggest only doing it when Helm is in play because of it's overcostedness. With Helm it is 5 mana for 5 cards, without its 7 mana. That is too much to spend. You want the whole 1 mana = 1 card thing going. Helm breaks this rule completely in half with Eggs and such, which is why Helm is in the deck, but that doesn't mean that you have to Wish for a card that is not good in the current situation. I believe that Wishing for PoP in such a situation is the incorrect play, unless of course it turns out to be the best option, which could happen. Hence, versatility is what the Wish board is for, so why not abuse it?

Roop

A couple of questions about the wish board Roop.

-How often does Overmaster work? I guess it's good if they're saving that counter for Tendrils, but it requires the Tendrils in hand and a storm already high enough.

-What does Simplify usually hit? Going off as early as the deck is supposed to, I can't think of anything that would be a huge problem. Echoing Ruin makes sense because I've hit Pithing Needle and even Null Rod, but I can't think of any low CC Enchantments that would be a problem.

Thanks!

Tendrils can't really be countered (ok, Stifle... but that's targeting the ability, as far as I know) because you would have to counter each copy. Overmaster works great with things like Burning Wish, but of course it depends on the situation, sometimes you use it just as cantrip, sometimes you make a Dark Ritual uncounterable, etc.

Simplify gets rid of nasty things like Solitary Confinement and Ivory Mask.

Still I'd really like to know what you board out for the Xantid Swarms, to me everything seems needed :-(. (I guess you usually board the same cards out?)

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-What does Simplify usually hit? Going off as early as the deck is supposed to, I can't think of anything that would be a huge problem.

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Pyrostatic Pillar seems to be a big one, and possibly Rule of Law/Arcane Lab and a few others.

@Sideboarding Xantids: Roop's said in another thread that he takes out Sleight of Hands.

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-How often does Overmaster work? I guess it's good if they're saving that counter for Tendrils, but it requires the Tendrils in hand and a storm already high enough.

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Overmaster should have been taken out a while ago. For what? I haven't figured out, probably another more flexible draw spell. Maybe more protection, I'm not sure, but I have never ever wished for it.

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-What does Simplify usually hit? Going off as early as the deck is supposed to, I can't think of anything that would be a huge problem. Echoing Ruin makes sense because I've hit Pithing Needle and even Null Rod, but I can't think of any low CC Enchantments that would be a problem.

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Everyone explained this very nicely. Just remember if you think your opponent is playing Arcane Lab, Wish for Simplifiy early, that way you can play it the turn it comes down and go off. That is if you can't go off before that.

Roop

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City of Traitors: I really don’t know what brought me to put this card into the deck, but once I did, I never looked back. The card makes a first turn Helm very plausible. It pops Eggs with ease and without you having to use precious colored mana on them. It is simply acceleration.

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Ever since I started playing with this deck, I've always wanted to use Ancient Tomb instead. Sure, it will hit you a couple times over the length of the game, but with the added bonus of staying around after you Land Grant. I find that my City gets hit turn two when I need that Bayou to Ritual. However, Ancient Tomb will stay around when you need it; it still has the same vulnerability to Wasteland, but at the added benefit of not screwing your mana development. Burn shouldn't be a problem, even if you activate it every turn including Turn 3. Also, if we still maintain that as our fundamental turn, we still go off right before Goblins goes busted and runs over us.

EDIT: You should probably update that original post while I'm thinking of it. You've still got card discussion of Meditate, which isn't even in the deck anymore. Just a heads up.

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City of Traitors: I really don’t know what brought me to put this card into the deck, but once I did, I never looked back. The card makes a first turn Helm very plausible. It pops Eggs with ease and without you having to use precious colored mana on them. It is simply acceleration.

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Ever since I started playing with this deck, I've always wanted to use Ancient Tomb instead. Sure, it will hit you a couple times over the length of the game, but with the added bonus of staying around after you Land Grant. I find that my City gets hit turn two when I need that Bayou to Ritual. However, Ancient Tomb will stay around when you need it; it still has the same vulnerability to Wasteland, but at the added benefit of not screwing your mana development. Burn shouldn't be a problem, even if you activate it every turn including Turn 3. Also, if we still maintain that as our fundamental turn, we still go off right before Goblins goes busted and runs over us.

EDIT: You should probably update that original post while I'm thinking of it. You've still got card discussion of Meditate, which isn't even in the deck anymore. Just a heads up.

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The problem with Tomb is that you run Spoils, Whisper, and now PoP in the board. This is a lot of life loss. The original monoblack list of the deck ran Tomb, but I soon realized that it was to much life loss. You often killed yourself, or your opponent could kill you because you were at 2. Hence the reason I run City.

Roop

Sorry about the idiotic countering of Tendrils remark. I'll try to stop doing that.

I've only been screwed by choice of cities ONE time out of countless games. i went to turn three and saw 3 of them :(

theres been discussion about unbanning one or more remotely insane card in legacy. perhaps to even out with banning lackey? or to help compete?
on the list are..
dream halls
land tax
mind over matter
and the monster.. Grim Monolith.

I see monolith immediately added to this deck.

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I see monolith immediately added to this deck.

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I don't see why Monolith is any better than Desperate Ritual. Especially since you can splice mutliple Rituals together. Anyways, I doubt either of them will see play in this deck.

Desperate Research has been added to the board over Overmaster. The added "Tutor" effect has been working out pretty good so far. It's good because now you basically have a Ritual in the SB to wish for.

Additional plays some people might not see: Regrowth is in the board to bring back Rituals for more mana. Just remember that you are going to need a green for it and plan it well.

Roop

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Desperate Ritual has been added to the board over Overmaster.

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Desperate Ritual is an instant; how do you plan to access it?

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Desperate Ritual has been added to the board over Overmaster.

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Desperate Ritual is an instant; how do you plan to access it?

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Fixed. Sorry, I'm retarded sometimes. I was thinking about to many things when I posted that.