Bah-roken in vintage with ancestral recall around.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverGreen
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Bah-roken in vintage with ancestral recall around.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverGreen
I think I just heard David Gearhart cream his pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverGreen
Homogeneity :w::w:
Creature - Incarnation
All creatures lose all creature types.
2/2
Fuck you, Tribal.
@Hanni: I think it would be a fine creature if it looked like this:
Phyrexian Priest :b::b::b:
Creature - Horror
Protection from white and green
3/4
Still immune to StP/PtE, Goyf and Bolt-resistant and a nice butt, but nothing more.
So Goblins start running Tarfire, Merfolk maindeck their favorite bounce spell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nydaeli
Doubt that creature would actuallt get a 4 in toughtness but rather a 3/3 and 1 more abillity. Reg, lifelink and/or vigilance would be cool. Comparing it a bit to Great Sable Stag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I yust want to have a good Phyrexian for Legacy damn it :P
I yust took the 3/4 for 3 from the phyrexian war beast/iron foot.
BBB is one of the most evil/busted/memorable csting costs.
pro white/pro green keeps it in the collor hoser department.
the deathtouch was a misstype.
The last abbility is busted i know, how about
When comes into play draw a card and loose 1 life.
Keeps it in the Phyrexian rager/gargantua/arena and yawgmoth's bargain department.
then we have:
Phyrexian Priest BBB
Creature - Horror Minion
Protection from white and from green
When comes into play draw a card and loose 1 life
3/4
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Originally Posted by Elfrago
Oh, let me have my irrational dreamer moment too...Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilver
Smothering Ash
1B
Instant
Destroy target creature with converted mana cost 2 or less.
Flashback 3R
Knowledge's Price
1UB
Instant
Target player sacrifices a creature. Draw a card.
Furnace of War
WR
Instant
Deal 5 damage divided as you choose among any number of attacking creatures
Harmonic Forgetfulness
WG
Instant - Split Second
Choose a number. Shuffle all artifacts, enchantments, and Planeswalkers of that converted casting cost into their owner's libraries.
Holy mother of... really?Quote:
Harmonic Forgetfulness
WG
Instant - Split Second
Choose a number. Shuffle all artifacts, enchantments, and Planeswalkers of that converted casting cost into their owner's libraries.
I can dream...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
Realistically, it should be
1WG
Instant (no split second)
" "
But hey, if we're making overpowered cards, what's a mana here or there (or split second).
If it was a single target, I'd say awesome. Right now though, you've basically got Krosan Grip, cut it down a cc, made it more restrictive by requiring white, have given it the ability to also hit Planeswalkers... but it can remove multiple permanents. I'd say simply adding the word "target" would make it fair enough to see print, albeit very good.
A card extremely similar to what you are describing exists (albeit in RW). Sadly, Hide//Seek sees no current play. I think I wanted to overpower that card to give it a home, forgetting that the ability to eat Planeswalkers is already fairly powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...fLightning.jpg
Crappy? Underpowered?
Flame Rift is already playable in Burn...this seems just a bit too good compared to existing cards as an Instant with no drawbacks. It's very likely that this card would only see play in Zoo and Burn, and they are fully capable of getting to RR.
I was thinking of a 4 cc burn spell that can compete with creature power creep, i.e., something that can kill a Goyf early on without a card disadvantage. To bolts to kill a 3/4 is crazy. Double red makes it non-splashable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goblin Snowman
I like that burn spell, and by no way do I think it's overpowered. It may be better than currently printed cards like Flame Rift, but all it's doing is taking a spell like Incinerate, which is clearly worse than Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, and Rift Bolt... and makes a 2cc burn spell that's actually good.
RR makes it restrictive enough to not be splashable, so it sticks to red based decks like Burn and Sligh, and most Zoo decks these days are so heavy in green and white, that it would require a little adjustment for them to adequately support it.
If it were to need dumbed down, all that would be required would be turning it from an Instant to a Sorcery. Great idea, MMogg, I really like it.
Thanks. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
I felt making it a sorcery would punt it to tier 2 or unplayable. I think it's kind of crazy that the best burn spells were printed in Alpha and Legends. Surely we red mages deserve an upgrade in the power creep of burn to make our aggro strategies viable against huge green beatsticks.
I can't see pictures hosted at Photobucked and the like here, could you post the card's text?Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
Sure！Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverGreen
Kiss of Lightning :r::r:
Instant
Kiss of Lightning deals 4 damage to target creature or player.
So, pretty much a 4 dmg Lightning Bolt for an extra :r:.
Right, but very unlike. The MtG standard for 3 red damage has actually a CMC2, with CMC1 being the exception to the rule (the case of Lightning Bolt in current T2, the limited Lava Spike, or Rift Bolt), and for 4 dmg it gravitates towards CMC3 (when the card is pushed, and always with a drawback associated, as in Char and that Shadowmoor RRR instant) and 4 (with the default being the simple Lightning Blast). Adding a mere point of damage dealing to a card involves a much more different math than add a point of life gain. That's the same premise that makes a point of creature power much more onerous in terms of costs than a point of toughness. The reason is simple: damage shortens the game, as life gaining prolongs it, and the later is more likely to afford interactivity than the former.
Exactly! Just as Lightning Bolt is the exception, this card too could be an exception. As I said just before, it's high time red also gets some better burn. I mean, if Wizards cared so much about math and standards, they should realize a 3/4, 4/5 or 5/6 for :1::g: is crazy. My proposed burn spell is not crazy. It's solid, but not broken or crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverGreen
The only cards I know of that deal this much damage for that cost are limited, possess a significant drawback, or both. If I recall correctly, Flame Javelin was fairly notable as giving you a drawbackless (assuming the triple red is no problem) 4 damage for 3 mana. It's obviously cheaper, it interacts like 10 times better with cards that search for cards based on converted mana cost and it's really great with Cascade (Bloodbraid Elf into Kiss of Lightning is alright). It's an interesting card, given that it's pretty much strictly better than Flame Javelin (in theory, Javelin has a few advantages, such as the ability to play it with varying color investments and the fact that it won't be CounterTopped or Spell Snared). But I honestly think it wouldn't see much play in Legacy, simply because it costs 2 Red, and I think it would probably be too good in Type 2, and maybe Extended (depending on what's legal at the time). Not to mention that, even at uncommon, it would be nonsensically good in Limited, assuming Red was even vaguely competent.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
I may be overselling the Limited part, but seriously, it would be pretty good.
Alecthar has a point that it might be a tad to good compared to other spells. However, would it be a fairer card if it was a sorcery?Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
It could however just do 3 damage on players while doing 4 or even 5 to creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
If the purpose is to be able to get easily rid of a goyf it could be like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizso
Tarmobolt RR
Instant
Tarmobolt deals 3 damage to target player or 5 damage to target creature without flying.
It wouldnt be an instant I guess, but I like it
sick limited stuff nontheless
Why so limited?
Avalanche 1RR
Sorcery
Destroy target creature withouth flying or target land.
Go imba.
Tireless Sliver GW
Creature - Sliver
All Slivers have Persist
2/2
Something to give Sliver Tribal both an out vs Tarmogoyf and Sweepers while annoying the piss out of Goblins.
That... is... awesome.Quote:
Tireless Sliver GW
Creature - Sliver
All Slivers have Persist
2/2
Something to give Sliver Tribal both an out vs Tarmogoyf and Sweepers while annoying the piss out of Goblins.
Add...Quote:
Originally Posted by BreathWeapon
Broodmother Sliver 1GG
Creature - Sliver
All slivers gain: "Whenever another sliver comes into play, put a +1/+1 counter on ~this~"
2/2
And you would have broken the format in half!
(sadly it has to cost 3 at a min, as it would be broken as fuck at 2cc, still 3cc is not bad, even if it means we can't vial it in...)
Day of Judgement
3WW
Split Second
Destroy all creatures. They cannot be regenerated.
God is Calling
3BB
Split Second
Destroy all creatures. They cannot be regenerated.
Obsolete
2WB
Split Second
Destroy target permanent.
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
Another idea:
Planar Voidmage :b:
Creature - Human Wizard
If a card would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, remove it from the game instead.
1/1
It's basically an upgraded Planar Void with a fragile body.
The Advisor
1B
Creature - Human Wizard
Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its converted mana cost.
1/1
Fixed.
Rusted Sliver
:br: :ub:
All slivers have Whither
2/2
Vigilant Sliver :1: :w:
Creature - Sliver
All sliver creatures have vigilance
Like a bee, it protects it's hive
Like a bee, it seeks food for the Queen and it's hive.
Unlike a bee, it seems to do it at the same time.
Skyshroud ranger
2/2
Spiketail Sliver :1::u:
Creature - Sliver
All sliver creatures have: ''Sacrifice this creature : counter target spell unless it controler pays :1:''
Like a bee, it stings only when threathened and dies
Unlike a bee, it stings raw magic and dissolves it.
Skyshroud Ranger
1/1
Shielding Sliver :u::w:
All sliver creatures get +0/+1
All Sliver Creatures have "Sacrifice this creature: return target creature to owners hand"'
Like a bee, it....
Skyshroud Ranger, last words
1/1
Hypnotic Sliver :u::w:
Creature - Sliver
All slive creatures have ''tap: tap target creature''
I know i have made several compairisons of bees and slivers in the past, but i never have seen a bee doing that..
Skyshroud ranger
2/2
I really don't think it is, red has always had good burn printed for it, compared to, oh, I don't know, White's Life Gain. They just reprinted Lightning Bolt- Red Burn is fine. We already have a semi-viable Mono Red Burn deck, and frankly its one of the least interesting and most tiresome decks ever and there's no reason on earth to push that archetype.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
I wasn't referring to burn as a deck type, I was referring to the utility. Life gain has always sucked because it isn't removal and it isn't really necessary since white has the best spot removal in the game. Also Swords to Plowshares just got an update with Path to Exile. That's 8 :w: instant speed removal. Red has the same old lame 3 dmg spells it has had since 1994. The fact that they reprinted Lightning Bolt after saying they never would (and Shock had become the norm for :r:) just goes to show how little impact Lightning Bolt has nowadays. Heck, in Legacy even Incinerate isn't played, so I don't see why a 2cc 4 damage spell is somehow not worth considering.Quote:
Originally Posted by FieryBalrog
Anyway, I'm extremely biased since I <3 :r:.
One card I'm surprised they haven't made is very simple: :2::b: or :1::b::b: cantrip Edict.
You realize this would be pushing the 2-for-1 theme of Jund in Standard even further?Quote:
Originally Posted by MattH