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Strictly worse thanrevised duals, probably worse legacy wise than even shocks as a budget option imo. The only decks I can think of off the top of my head that MIGHT want these in budget form over shocks is Nic Fit and Miracles budget builds. Otherwise these seem worse than shocks 90% of the time
Budget Omni-Tell could use them instead of Volcanic Islands; in fact if you are on a budget the only really expensive cards in a Counter-Burn deck are Force and Volcanic's using the new friend lands would knock $1000 off the cost of the deck without you dying to your own mana base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/309602#paper
It is a "lands matter" set but I can not see them doing two cycles of rare [EDIT: DUAL] lands in the same set (or these being less than rare cards). Enemy Man-lands might make it into the second set of the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Also included are Ravnica full-art Duals. Holy hell, is that Expedition Steam Vents gonna be worth a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
I really like the expeditions so far. They look sweet. Don't want to be that guy on the forums but, I sort of hope they use this trick to reprint foil full art duals for legacy in the next set. Wishful thinking and it won't happen, but whatever.
Full art Shocks and fetches, I wanted them till I saw the boarder.
On the bright side, now you can get a REALLY expensive Russian foil Stomping Grounds for Beltcher.
Zendikar had two rare land cycles of 5 lands each. Seems reasonable to think they could do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyracian
Also they said the chase full art lands will be only in English to those looking for Russian full art
... ;(
Since it was not clear I will reprase. Zendikar had only one cycle of RARE DUAL land cards; I do not see them doing two cycles in the same set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
from what i've read, although the expeditions can show up in foreign language packs, they will still be in english. personally, foil RAV, ONS, and ZEN still top the pimp chart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
5 years ago, when prices first started to really boom and before they doubled down on the Reserved List and knocked out premium cards as an option, I was calling for them to do full art duals. I thought the Player Rewards would have been a great option. Or Judge promos. But regardless, people were mad about Mox Diamond being reprinted as a foil in FTV, so they nixed the idea of even doing premium reprints.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
There's going to be 20 more Expedition lands in the next set. Obviously this opens up a lot of speculation and talk about what those 20 lands will be. 5 enemy manlands in the main set, all 10 manlands on the Expedition sheet? And then 10 Shadowmoor filter lands.
What's a little annoying is that we're going to be left with some sort of incomplete cycle. Whatever new lands are coming in Set 2 should obviously be done as Expeditions as well. If enemy BFZ duals are coming in Set 2, then there's 15 open Expedition slots. But if enemy manlands are coming in Set 2, then there's only 10 Expedition slots left, but the BFZ duals cycle is incomplete. They'd have to fill the extra 5 with either a mono-colored cycle (a strict one, or a smattering across blocks), colorless lands, or Future Sight duals (but if they do this and filters, there's an extra spot, because Graven Cairns). Maybe the extra spot opens up a colorless land like Mutavault or Cavern of Souls?
A lot of dumb speculation now, but the cool thing is that they're trying new things to increase supply without killing the market. Props to them on that.
The issue is they take a foil mythic slot, so the odds are something like 1:560 packs to pull one of these. I'm not sure how effectively it will increase supply to the average person. I feel like it'll be like guru lands, where super dedicated collectors and people with access to money will be able to get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsthethird
There are 25 in this one, so are they doing all the fetches and shocks and the new duals to round out the 25? Then they could do enemy dual sets which would be 5, and then 5 man lands and 10 filter lands.
I'd love to pull one. They're going to be very expensive. Low supply, high demand. Absolutely unique.
Premium mythic. Kinda a new rarity. Dodges Standard.
Let's see how long it takes for them to use this for non-reprints.
This has some disgusting potential.
They're English language only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
They don't take up a foil mythic slot. For example you can theoretically crack one of these and a foil mythic in the same pack. They will be in the basic land slot in your packQuote:
Originally Posted by hotlikedimes
Theyare simply similar rarity to a mythic rare in foil
I don't think anyone knows the rarity other than "slightly less rare than mythic foils". No one knows how slightly that is.
I wouldn't read that much into it... This is just BFZ's counterpart of Zendikar's 'Priceless Treasures.' A promotional campaign. Having said that, the existence of these inserts/promos makes it unlikely that enemy fetches will be reprinted elsewhere anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylphnir
http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/hallowedfountain.jpg
I get the water part, but where exactly is that a Plains? Especially with all the green stuff on the art? It looks like a UG land.
I agree. I also think Steam Vents has an art too different from the first version:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
http://i.imgur.com/9GFPIn4.png
The arts don't seem to fit the cards really well (I'm not saying that they aren't nice)
I think they're interesting as 1-ofs in certain control builds, where having a land come into play untapped off a fetch can be relevant on turns 3+, but they don't want to make Burn/Aggro's job easier. It's almost certain they won't supplant the shocks, but they might complement them well in certain decks. The fact that they have basic land types makes them much more of a contender than most other dual-land cycles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Seth
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Not too enthused about the "Expeditions". I know I sound like the archetypal Magic player that would "complain if Wizard put $100 bills in packs", but it's hard not to see Wizards as taking advantage of the gambling aspect of pack-cracking more and more. First Mythics, then Modern Masters with the Goyf lottery, and now these. I don't think we'll be seeing Yu-Gi-Oh-style Super Ultra Secret Special Space Ghost Godzilla Rares that are mandatory for competitive constructed play, but it's another step towards Wizards selling scratch-off tickets that don't have an age restriction and preying upon people with low understanding of probability. Kinda shady, not too cool.
Just don't open packs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamaican Zombie Legend
I mean, why should we complain about this???
We are going to get extra 100$ bills in the packs for nothing. I won't open more packs than usual (3 a week for my draft plus the bonus packs when i win... ) and i'll be happy to get a chance to get these :)
Man, just stop complaining.
You'd better waste time upon lottery things :)
The duals might be fine as a budget option in Nic Fit. I tend to fetch a basic Forest to cast my Dora the Explorer as often as I can. As soon as Dora dies that's all the basics one needs to have them enter the battlefield untapped.
Battle of Wits approves of additional dual lands with basic land types
They are a good card for EDH as well for people to fetch out and not having to spend 300 ish dollars on duals.
These things are going to hold value.
Shock lands all originated on Ravnica, a city plane, and the lands mostly represented manmade locations (a Fountain, Vents in what looks like a factory basement, a Shrine, a Garden, a Foundry, etc.). The new lands all seem to be situated on Zendikar, so they look more "natural." Not really sure what else to call the art theme, but that explains the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by guillemnicolau
By far the most relevant adaptation of the new duals :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
Greetings,
Kathal
From a user known as Jhawk94 on artofmtg.com who correctly spoiled Gideon on the same date:
Ob Nixilis 3BB
+1 draw a card, lose a life
-3 destroy target creature
-8 target opponent gets an emblem that say "when you draw a card lose 2 life"
Jhawk94 cannot remember if he starts at 4 or 5
5 mana is really step for Legacy. It also depends on how high his starting loyality turns out (and whether or not his first ability says "target player" for synergy with his nonrelevant ultimate).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
His first two abilities are pretty strong. But what deck would want to run him at that cost? Nic Fit already has the 5 mana Garruk.
Because printing money shouldn't become an acceptable substitute for printing a set that doesn't suck. Battle for Zendikar already looks like it's a confirmed set of set of hairy old balls and we still have four week of spoilers to go. But, oh, no, I can't complain because "they reprinted Shocklands!" or "they reprinted Fetchlands!" or "they reprinted Shocklands and Fetchlands!".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Eat shit.
I want to play Standard. I want to play Draft. But hell if I'm willing to suffer through these miserable cop-outs.
I think it's a bit early to start recommending exotic cuisine. My understanding is WotC has really figured out how to make a good limited environment the last few sets. If they learned the lessons from the original Zendikar, then this should also be a fun limited block.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
Plus it looks like Allies might be good. You like allies right? :tongue:
I also think Tylert made a decent point. If you don't play the lottery in real life, don't feel obligated to play it in your hobby just because random packs contain uber rare money cards.
So when exactly have they made a good set?Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
People in Syria suffer. You need a reality check.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
Mornining
since people are cool and fast with saying set x is bad I want to ask what exactly are charactaristica of a good set?
I mean it canīt be that it has useful legacy cards in it cause to be honest Legacy is not the target format for Wotc and never was.
The Format they support with most sets is Standard, Modern and Limited. Yes sometimes a card is useful in Legacy but this is
nothing you should count on.
So when try to answer the question please resrtict youself and look for things which are relevant like playability in modern / standard
etc.
To be the first I donīt think the set is bad. Yes it is not the best set ever but it is not bad and big point for a plus are the new duels
which even can be played in Legacy.
But I'm not upset that they're printing money in packs. I'm upset that they're using said money-infused packs to skimp on the overall quality of the set. I look forward to new sets. I look forward to seeing what new life is being breathed into the game. Only, for the past four years, I've remained disappointed. Origins had the potential to be a great bit of fresh air, but it seems to be immediately stifled by the hunk of garbage that is Battle for Zendikar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
It's mostly a "moral" thing, but there are some significant consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Just seems shady to sell sets not based on them being fun to draft/play with but on the possibility of a "big score". Like I said, lottery sans government regulations. Packs have always been a gamble, but it seems like Wizards is really selling this aspect of them and making the payouts a lot bigger. Just doesn't sit well with me.
There's also the sharkiness and saltiness amplifying that happens when packs have $100 bills in them. Weekly drafts become a lot less friendly and social as grinder-types pour in to get value. It happened with Worldwake and Jace the Wallet-Sculptor. That's the only time I remember someone ever stealing from a (rare-back)draft, and Jace was only ~$60 at the time, if I recall (Bloodbraid keeping the big, blue dude down in Standard). I can't imagine the shadiness that might go on with ~$150 shocks/fetches, where there is serious incentive to pull some sleight of hand (especially easy given how the Zen basics they replace are probably going to be collected or kept by most folks rather than tossed in the middle of the table like typical draft basics).
Not a fun environment to play in.
I dunno. Tarkir block as a whole was really fun, yes, but the preceding blocks (RTR and Theros) were complete crap and Origins, while fun to draft, isn't so much fun to play because of Wizard's insistence that removal be dogshit for vague, unspecified reasons, leading to extremely, fast, swingy, beatdown-centric games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
"Grinder-types"? Can we get a taxonomic description of such a species? Does it usually feature a things like a "neckbeard"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamaican Zombie Legend
http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/...2877208351.png
GSZ-able creature removal. Probably too expensive for Legacy, but who knows what Elves and Nic Fit could come up with.
I feel like you missed the Devoid part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Yeah, I was just looking at the manacost. Nevermind then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teknique
GSZ cannot grab colorless cards.
edit, derp.