War of the Spark

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Originally Posted by PirateKing

No, (opponent's) Dark Depths can't be the target of spells and abilities, so they couldn't copy it with Thespian's Stage or remove counters with Vampire Hexmage.

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That's what I'm trying to say.

http://mythicspoiler.com/war/cards/neoform.jpg

What are ways to break this? I'm thinking about Allosaurus Rider and Vine Dryad, but what could you fetch with this to break it? Mana dork into tutor tool box might also be appealing.

Unlike Eldritch Evolution, you could also rebuy it with Snapcaster, for what it's worth.

Edit: Since it puts a +1/+1 counter onto it, Incubation Druid is going to have one hell of a time once it's active.

Edit #2: Apparently, Tomik was designed as a counter to DRS way before it was banned. With DD as intended splash damage. That's nifty:

https://twitter.com/itsJulian23/stat...82434520817664

Neoform + Skycutter --> White Gearhulk?
Neoform + Skycutter --> Goblin Dark-Dwellers --> Neoform --> Frost Titan/Sire of Stagnation/Sire of Insanity?

Anything better out there?

2 card / 2 mana combo to hell bent everyone and have a 7/5 out seems pretty good

Tomik stops the DRS mana ability, shenanigans with Dark Depths, Life from the Loam, Crucible of Worlds, ... and protects your lands, even those in your graveyard.
And Tomik is NOT symmetric with all that! So much for everybody is equal under Azorius law.

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Originally Posted by Barook

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What are ways to break this? I'm thinking about Allosaurus Rider and Vine Dryad, but what could you fetch with this to break it? Mana dork into tutor tool box might also be appealing.

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You could go with delve or affinity guys too. It has to be exactly equal so, Gurmag Angler -> Griseldad?


Tomik also messes with life from the loam and some fringe stuff like candelabra of tawnos.

Maybe Skaab Ruinator? Might be handy sending extra dudes to the yard.

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Originally Posted by Cire

Neoform + Skycutter --> White Gearhulk?
Neoform + Skycutter --> Goblin Dark-Dwellers --> Neoform --> Frost Titan/Sire of Stagnation/Sire of Insanity?

Anything better out there?

2 card / 2 mana combo to hell bent everyone and have a 7/5 out seems pretty good

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Niv-Mizzet, Parun seems pretty good if you're getting a 6-drop. There's also tombstalker -> iona and tasigur -> elesh norn

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Originally Posted by rufus

You could go with delve or affinity guys too. It has to be exactly equal so, Gurmag Angler -> Griseldad?

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Allosaurus into Griseldaddy would also work. One has to question if that's worth the resources, though, considering you're going down 4 cards to do this and if it gets countered/answered, you're pretty much fucked. Especially since there's way better ways to grab Griseldaddy.

I like Cire's line of fetching Sire of Insanity. You could throw in Vine Dryad to complement Skyshroud Cutter, a bunch of mana dorks for pitch fodder/acceleration and Eldritch Evolution as back-up plan:

T1: Land, Dork, 4-drop
T2: Land, Evolution, 6-drop

Ruric Thar, the Unbowed and Archon of Valor's Reach are also nice anti-combo options in the 6-drop slot. Even dork into T2 TNN with Evolution would be viable. Of course you need counter back-up for that, though.

Barook I think that works pretty decently . . .

1st Turn: Land + Worldly Tutor --> Skycutter
2nd Turn: Land + Accel --> Play Skycutter + Neoform (--> Goblin Dark-Dwellers --> Neoform --> 6 drop)/ Evolution (--> 6 drop + Daze/FOW Backup?

4 Skycutter
4 World Tutor
4 Neo Form
4 Eldritch Evolution
2 5 drops
2 6 drops
4 Daze
4 FOW
4 Brainstorm
4 <Open Spots>
16 Lands
8 Accel

IDK - seems pretty consistent for a turn 2 6 drop of your choice with some backup to get there.

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Originally Posted by Cire

Barook I think that works pretty decently . . .

1st Turn: Land + Worldly Tutor --> Skycutter
2nd Turn: Land + Accel --> Play Skycutter + Neoform (--> Goblin Dark-Dwellers --> Neoform --> 6 drop)/ Evolution (--> 6 drop + Daze/FOW Backup?

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If you play a dork on T1 and upkeep the Tutor, you can Neoform normally without requiring fancy card disadvantage acceleration. Seems like the better long-term plan if anything goes wrong. And as I said, if you evolve a Dork, you could still grab a powerful 3-drops like TNN, Sanctum Prelate or whatever as plan B.

What's interesting about Tutor is that it allows you to run toolbox creatures in your 75. Maybe you could still throw in a few Vine Dryads for consistency reasons, depending on the numbers, plus as back-up if anything gets Surgical'd.

As for another 5-drop, maybe Baneslayer Angel? Quite a few decks should have problems racing it.

Ok, so you feed it your Murderous Redcap to go get your Karmic Guide which brings back your Vizir of Remedies, and then you just need a sac outlet and bingo-bango.

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Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit

Ok, so you feed it your [cards]Murderous Redcap[\cards] to go get your [cards]Karmic Guide[\cards] which brings back your Vizir of Remedies, and then you just need a sac outlet and bingo-bango.

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Except this isn't really a viable chain.

Free 4-drop into 6-drop with either variant seems much cleaner.

Oops, yeah also forgot about Vine Dryad - so you don't really need to go through the trouble of Worldy tutor, you can replace the accel with Mana Dorks, the Tutor's with Vine Dryad and the open spots with 2 two drops (to Neoform from the mana dork) and 2 three drops (to Evolve from the mana dork) as a sort of tool set.

I don't think that Worldly Tutor is bad per se. Both Dryad and Worldy Tutor are card disadvantage. Tutor is slower for sure, but grants more flexibility.

But what drops should be run in the flex slots??

2-drop slot: Scavenging Ooze? Phantasmal Image? Gaddock Teeg? Pridemage? Lavinia? Revoker? Snapcaster? Etc.
3-drop slot: TNN? Eternal Witness? Sanctum Prelate? Knight of Autum? Some kind of removal guys like sac effects/targeted removal?

Space is going to be an issue until it's found out what actually works, if it works at all.

Eternal witness is kinda nice, you can t2 evolution into ewit and then next turn evolution your ewit into dark-dwellers and get a 7-drop (if you're playing one)

Edit: Veteran explorer is also an option that's really nice with neoform and evolution and helps you cast your 5/6 drops

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Originally Posted by Barook

http://mythicspoiler.com/war/cards/mayhemdevil.jpg

This one seems very interesting, despite being 3 mana. Works well with treasures (Standard-relevant, for those who care), punishing opposing fetches/Wastelands and turning your own copies into pingers alike, and buffs sacrifice effects of your own, like Liliana Ultimate or Cataclysm.

Isn't that also Anti-Emrakul tech to deal the last few points of damage?

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finally, another cool card with kaervek's spite. maybe even worth brewing around. it's also pretty cool. reprocess is also a cool one. fireblast deals 7 fwiw.

Does Mayhem Devil "see" itself if it is sacrificed?

Evolution Sage 2G
Creature - Elf Druid
Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, Proliferate.
3/2
Uncommon (I think)

I don't know where it goes, but man does that ever scream potential shenanigans.

Also:

"Mizzium Tank" 1RR
Vehicle
Trample
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, make this a dude and give it +1/+1 until EOT.
Crew 1
3/2

That also seems good?

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Originally Posted by mistercakes

finally, another cool card with kaervek's spite. maybe even worth brewing around. it's also pretty cool. reprocess is also a cool one. fireblast deals 7 fwiw.

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How do you get enough permanents to do anything with that in Legacy though?

Maybe at the top of black-red burn, where it isn't a fast combo but some inevitability. Fireblast is cool, but it seems to really want lands that sacrifice themselves, like Barbarian Ring, but those don't go with Fireblast well.
Maybe it wants to play in a creature-heavy list, like with Keldon Marauders.

I don't see it.

Assuming it works, with 3 lands you deal 9 damage if you have only 3 lands and this guy. Doesn't have to be tier1 to get played!

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Originally Posted by morgan_coke

Evolution Sage 2G
Creature - Elf Druid
Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, Proliferate.
3/2
Uncommon (I think)

I don't know where it goes, but man does that ever scream potential shenanigans.

Also:

"Mizzium Tank" 1RR
Vehicle
Trample
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, make this a dude and give it +1/+1 until EOT.
Crew 1
3/2

That also seems good?

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If that card is sage is accurate it seems great with planeswalkers.

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Originally Posted by Pittplayer

Does Mayhem Devil "see" itself if it is sacrificed?

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It does.

It's changed s few times, someone remind me: if you have a legendary out and you play another of the same name: are the unwanted ones put to the graveyard as a state based effect or do state based effects force a sacrifice

They aren't sacrificed nor destroyed. They are put from the battlefield into the graveyard (so it does count as dying).

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Originally Posted by Inkfathom

Eternal witness is kinda nice, you can t2 evolution into ewit and then next turn evolution your ewit into dark-dwellers and get a 7-drop (if you're playing one)

Edit: Veteran explorer is also an option that's really nice with neoform and evolution and helps you cast your 5/6 drops

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You can't chain Eldritch Evolution because it gets exiled.

Veteran Explorer is an interesting idea, but I'm sceptical. Giving your opponent lands leverages the advantages you gain by cheating on mana, and since it isn't a mana dork by itself, it doesn't allow you to cast Evolution on T2.

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Originally Posted by Barook

http://mythicspoiler.com/war/cards/mayhemdevil.jpg

This one seems very interesting, despite being 3 mana. Works well with treasures (Standard-relevant, for those who care), punishing opposing fetches/Wastelands and turning your own copies into pingers alike, and buffs sacrifice effects of your own, like Liliana Ultimate or Cataclysm.

Isn't that also Anti-Emrakul tech to deal the last few points of damage?

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Could be brutal with Cataclysm. But I prefer Greater Gargadon. Either way, pick these up boys. It is going to have value as a casual staple for years to come and is bound to be big in Standard.

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Originally Posted by Finn

Could be brutal with Cataclysm. But I prefer Greater Gargadon. Either way, pick these up boys. It is going to have value as a casual staple for years to come and is bound to be big in Standard.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that thing showed up in Legacy sooner or later. Decent body, still reasonably costed, adds reach and can mow down small creatures and Planeswalkers alike. Looks like a great midrange card in my books.

I want to build a terrible jund deck with him and Sylvan safekeeper

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Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit

You all missed the foreshadowing on Ixilan:
Nicol Bolas wins, and his greed makes him say he's leader of all guilds.
Jace, as living guildpact, therefore can pass a law that says Bolas loses.
Bolas is obligated to obey, multiverse saved. I'll get you next time, gatewatch!

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And I woulda got away with it too, if not for you snooping kids!

Goblin Bombardment + zombies is clearly the way for that Devil

Is it better than Judith?

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Originally Posted by kombatkiwi

Is it better than Judith?

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Judith triggers on sweepers and is a lord. Apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by Poron

Goblin Bombardment + zombies is clearly the way for that Devil

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Zombardment definitely comes into mind with this card.

This guy triggers on fetches and wastes also which isn't nothing. Judith is probably less build around because it's just a dies ability, but this guy I feel like has a ton of perennial if you decide to build around him a bit. Also Judith being legendary is a drawback in a format of Karakas. At the end of the day, why not both?

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

This guy triggers on fetches and wastes also which isn't nothing. Judith is probably less build around because it's just a dies ability, but this guy I feel like has a ton of perennial if you decide to build around him a bit. Also Judith being legendary is a drawback in a format of Karakas. At the end of the day, why not both?

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probably because 3 man is a lot for zombardment and it doesn't have that mayn 3 drops slots?

Judith is way better than mayhem devil in zombardment and she isn’t even good there. Both are quite win-more. If you’re able to activate goblin bomardment multiple times you probably win.

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Originally Posted by Barook

That's what I'm trying to say.

http://mythicspoiler.com/war/cards/neoform.jpg

What are ways to break this? I'm thinking about Allosaurus Rider and Vine Dryad, but what could you fetch with this to break it? Mana dork into tutor tool box might also be appealing.

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Scornful Egotist, Delve createures, or Affinity creatures like Myr Enforcer

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Originally Posted by sco0ter

Scornful Egotist, Delve createures, or Affinity creatures like Myr Enforcer

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someone mentionned skycutter... but i can't find this card (except gobling skycutter which is a 2 drop)... anyone can tell me which creature it is?

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Originally Posted by sco0ter

Scornful Egotist, Delve createures, or Affinity creatures like Myr Enforcer

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Also, "additional cost" creatures like Skaab Ruinator, conditional ones like Myr Superion or Sera Avenger, creatures with +1/+1 counter synergies like Arcbound Ravager or Incubation Druid and oddities like Epochrasite.

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Originally Posted by Tylert

someone mentionned skycutter... but i can't find this card (except gobling skycutter which is a 2 drop)... anyone can tell me which creature it is?

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Skyshroud Cutter

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Originally Posted by Tylert

someone mentionned skycutter... but i can't find this card (except gobling skycutter which is a 2 drop)... anyone can tell me which creature it is?

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I'm pretty sure they meant Skyshroud Cutter.

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Originally Posted by rufus

Also, "additional cost" creatures like Skaab Ruinator, conditional ones like Myr Superion or Sera Avenger, creatures with +1/+1 counter synergies like Arcbound Ravager or Incubation Druid and oddities like Epochrasite.

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I don't think it's worth it to first pay for a low cost creature, then sac it and pay UG to search for a pretty vanilla creature with 5 power. Why not just play Tarmogoyf then?