Details? MUST. HAVE. DETAILS.
edit: No, no, no, no. Please don't tell me two reanimator decks made it to T8. Extra frowny face. At least UG Madness went 2-2.
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Details? MUST. HAVE. DETAILS.
edit: No, no, no, no. Please don't tell me two reanimator decks made it to T8. Extra frowny face. At least UG Madness went 2-2.
Yeah, I forgot to put that in my slops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
Nightmare t8'ed, that's the only name I recognized besides Feinstein. Then we left.
Stuff from the mana drain site
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Dave Feinstein is (RG Beats)
Nick Cagly (sp) (Affinity)
Vial Goblins is in (made finals)
UGRW Threshold T8ed and lost to Goblins
Two Reanimator decks made it (unsure whether they were Orlove style or traditional), one of them was Ashok (The Method)
Zero IGG or High Tide T8ed
Zero Tendrils decks make it
A small percentage of Goblins decks
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So a Vial Goblins made the finals
1st ?
2nd Goblins
3rd UGRW Thresh?
4th Dave Feistein?
5th Reanimator
6th Mr. Nightmare?
7th ?
8th Reanimator?
Sketcky information, hmm ambiguous.
I'll say again... Reanimator? UGH! What did it do against a format running StP? A deck that runs a free Planar Void main? Counterspells? Ugh. Legacy, you make me shed a tear.
I think I know why it top 8'ed (ReAnimator)
1. Nobody was expecting it.
2. Simic Sky Swallower is nearly unstoppable when on the field,
Simic Sky Swallower 7cc
Flying, Trample
Can't Be the target of spells or abilities
6/6
I am willing to bet no one had side board tech for game two of a match to get rid of the then unstoppable Simic Sky Swallower.
Plus there are two Reanimate like cards, Reanimate and a split card from Apocalypse which is 2cc
Animate Dead can bring back Akroma.
Also, anyone remember Zombie Infestation? Beats StP a lot.
This tournament sucked. Getting lost on the way home sucked. Rick getting a ticket sucked. Then I got a fucking ticket a minute after I got in my car. What the fuck.
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck everyone.
also reanimator players happen to be inherently lucky. round 6 im playing for top 8 with ugw thresh against a reanimator deck with rituals, putrid imps, reanimation cards, duress, therapy, and big guys. i win game 1 cause im savage. game 2 i misboard and he chokes me out. game 3 i have gas but so does he. i have double daze double counterspell and a fow. i daze his imp. i daze the exhume on his imp. i let the therapy on himself resolve. i fow an exhume pitching c-spell (i played a dude). next turn i c-spell the reanimation spell he cast the next turn and make another dude. he draws reanimate and brings back bringer of the blue dawn. i proceed to draw 16 out of 17 lands and 0 STPs. he draws nothing off blue bringer except chokes and braids which do nothing. im sitting patiently and i draw nothing :( eventually blazing archon ends it. i still havent drawn a swords and im about 43 cards in. :(
LOL, I would have owed top 8 with my md furnaces, reanimator, lol.
lets see, thresh,gobs,reanimator < my furnaces, darkblasts,plagues,huge critters
I'm not sure how they snuck past Legacy, as far as I know, there were only two Reanimators in the whole (105?) field. If I had played one, Burning Wish for Edict ftw. People seriously undervalue non-targeted removal in this format still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moby Dick
Probably laughing at the fact that STP doesn't touch SSS or even last against Duress/Therapy. As for Counterspells, I'm reasonably sure 8-10 reanimate effects, Discard and ZI are good answers to that. Good control may smash Reanimator, but Thresh doesn't fall under that category. ;oQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
Besides it didn't win so feel safe!
I'm shocked you aren't already on the 'zomg affinity teh sux0rz!, how did that T8!'.
see... i told you guys SD people would bring home some of the mula!
i can see that people have no apreciation for decks that arent supposively tier one.
and quite frankly your ignorance is backed up by nothing. i didnt see any...not ONE solidarity deck in the top 8, and yet you see two reanimator decks ( one black/ blue much like the extended version... and then my version black/ green.) but yet it doesnt seem like you guys take it into concideration as a deck to beat.. even though only 2 reanimator decks showed up... and two made it to the finals....and solidarity is a deck to beat? i mean it even made more entries to the top 8 then goblins!!!
WAKE UP !!!
these decks are actually getting to the point that they are competitive enough to rape Goblins...race Solidarity and have an even match agaisnt grow! you might keep on closing the discussions about the decks and lock threads just because they arent like the ones your friends top 8 with... but as of now my version of the deck has as much respectability as the one orlove did. It took me having to play in a tourney on the other side of the country ( which i was extremely happy to find on my vacations to boston).
people that saw me play the deck can give you input into how it played, and if no one does my standings should be sufficient.
I beat:
1- goblin
2- W/G/U grow ( and lost to one in the top 8. i salute you mister nightmare!)
1- and an easy match against Shuffle Truffle.
( arent those supposively the tier 1 decks according to your forums??? mmm... perhaps a deck that beats all those should be concidered huh?)
oh yeah mister FireAndIce...
i hear choke is great against grow... and i also last time i heard... you need white to cast swords...( which you didnt have! DUE TO THE CHOKE!!! so stop complaining at that point there was absolutely nothing you could do. but since my deck wasnt tier 1 i guess i just got lucky huh?)
This isn't actually accurate, I know at least Ben Kowal was playing a BUR Reanimator deck and he got knocked out after round 6 by Osyp. His first loss was to lucky mc lucksack angel stompy played who managed trip plow, dubs crypt and his only seal of cleansing in the deck.Quote:
even though only 2 reanimator decks showed up...
ok. my bad, perhaps three. the point still stands. an dis irrelevant if one or two more showed up.
out of all the reanimator decks out there ( even if there were 3 or 4 or even 5... which i doubt) 50 % at least went to top 8. what percentage of goblins? Grow? Solidarity?
yeah... not even close.
point proven!
I'm interested in the Faerie Stompy decklist that T8ed, as it supposedly ran 3Spheres in addition to CotV. It might be the card needed for the deck to finally make the jump to Tier 1, or it could just be redundant with the Chalices.
Actually, I was the one that knocked Kowal out of contention 2-0 with Orlove style Zianimator. Rodrigo's build was much, much different, runnin more like a straight up reanimator deck with a few utility elements. I have no idea what it's matchups are like in general, but it felt like a brutal fucking beating playing against it with Truffle Shuffle. Of course, both of the games I lost he managed to have one of his two one-of fatties that wreck me in hand, Sundering Titan and completely effing topdecked SSS for the win g3.
rodgon, just some advice, leave defending your petdeck to someone that can type and form coherent arguments. I'm willing to talk about reanimator's possible viability, but saying it did well once, making all the previous times it's scrubbed out irrelevant is kinda bullshit.
Anyway, yeah, there were two Gro and two Goblin lists in the top 8, I believe, with Nightmare taking second. I couldn't draw last round x-1 due to tiebreakers and too many people, so I had to get my face crushed by the aforementioned reanimator deck. It was the only matchup I should've actually lost all day, though, I threw away my match against Mr. Nightmare.
Hey, wait, he still owes me a pack.
I'm also still dissapointed at the lack of coverage of my match vs. Roland Chang. Like, what, we don't cover the feature match of the century anymore?
Where are all the feature match coverages?
I really want to read about this great tournament. :D
Pulled off of TML and made easy on the eyes:
The top 8 was at follows:
2 Threshold (both RUG)
2 Reanimator
1 Goblins (Rw)
1 Faiery Stompy (Trinisphere, Juggernaut over Sea Sprite)
1 Affinity
1 RG Beats
MATCHES:
Quarters:
Threshold beats Reanimator (ashok)
Affinity beats Reanimator
Goblins beats Threshold
Faery stompy beats RG Beats
Semis:
Goblins beats Affinity
Threshold beats FaeryStompy
Finals:
Goblins beats Threshold.
Of note was zero combo making top 8. Not much iggy showed, but good players were piloting it, such as osyp. It didn't appear to go deep. Solidarity on the other hand was plentiful. The guy credited with creating it (gerhardt?) top 16'd. Decent amount of madness showed, including Roland, but it did not hold up late in the tournament.
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I'm back and like to point out some info. Decent amount of madness showed but it did not hold up late in the tournament. I wonder why?
Maybe now that Solidarity hasnt put anyone into top 8 in the past 2 tournies we can stop whispering about it being the iron giant. Every deck can be beat. Im interested in hearing how things went with proxies. Who used em? Was it fair? Anyone see an excessive amount of shit like Chains of Meph or Moats?
But please note, that it did T16. I'd be interested in seeing the other 7 decks in T16 also. That information holds some value also.Quote:
Originally Posted by bane_of_the_living
Ditto. I wonder if proxies really changed anything. Looking at the T8, I doubt that there were many proxies except possibly some Duals. Maybe Faery Stompy ran proxies of Sea Drake.Quote:
Originally Posted by bane_of_the_living
Actually, the Faerie Stompy player didn't have a single proxy as far as I know, and I know if he did, they weren't the Sea Drakes. The only proxies I saw all day were duals (once) and a guy who lent a friend 2 Aether Vials and proxied them.
There were so few proxies that Ray pretty much said before the tournament started the Mana Leak Open next year will not allow proxies.
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Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
Hey Everyone!
My name is Ashok and I made t8 at the event with Reanimator. I'll plan on start posting on this site more so hopefully this post can also serve as an introduction. I've been testing the deck alot against at lot of the tier1 and 2 decks with the rest of Meandeck in preperation for this event. I really wanted to play in this because I have a deep interest in legacy but my personal cardpool and location prevent me from playing. I had three byes at GP Philly (won a trial with goblins) and I failed to make day two by a game win. I made t4 at the Legacy side event at GP Toronto with iggy pop.
I've always had a long term infactuation with reanimator decks and I wanted to build the fastest yet stable version of reanimator possible. I'll write a full report later but quickly i'd like to address the naysayers by saying i was fully aware of the hate awaiting me but I thought that it wasn't actually strong enough to stop me from winning, especially when I have speed and tempo on my side. The combination of the transitional suicide black sb/simic sky swallowers/ pithing needles did the job.
I didn't lose 1 game in the swiss and I double drew into t8 where i lost to affinity.
'Shok Style Reanimator
4 Brainstorm
4 Careful Study
4 Buried Alive
4 Animate Dead
4 Reanimate
4 Mystical Tutor
4 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
4 Spirit of the Night
2 Duress
1 Sickening Dreams
1 Show and Tell
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea
2 Swamp
2 Island
/sb
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Phyrexian Negator
3 Pithing Needle
2 Duress
1 Simic Sky Swallower
1 Echoing Truth.
I really like my deck and i'll probably play the same list again unless time spiral gives me another akroma like creature variant.
Legacy is great and i appreciate what you guys are doing and hopefully i'll get to know you guys!
EDIT: my only proxy was 2 spirit of the night which I ordered from Starcitygames but they were not going to make it to me on time so I didn't see the need to buy them again =(.
Ray is sending me lists. T8/T16 should be up as soon as I get them, and full decklists will get up eventually.
T8 was:
First - Jeff from Rochester with Goblins/W
Second - Me with UGW Thresh
3/4 - Faerie Stompy & Raffinity
5-8 - 2x Reanimator (one B/G, and one B/U), UGR Thresh, and Feinstein Sligh.
Tournament report in the works. Stay tuned.
Out of curiousity, what was the prize support like with 106-110 people?
Something ridiculous... I forget, but I think you could get like Timetwister + Library of Alexandria + 75 packs for first, with a bunch of other options.
And the prizes extended all the way down to the top 32.
When Jeff and i split, he got an UNL Sapphire and 15 packs, and I got an Imperial Seal and 50 packs. Pretty insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortifitakitors
Ever wish you were playing 4c at all that day?
When I got off the phone with the Nova crew last night, I believe Deep6er was 12th and Ewokslayer was 15th. So that puts 2 into T16. Don't count the deck, if you do you will regret it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bane_of_the_living
Nope, i loved my build all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whit3 Ghost
Report is up
So no Top 8's again right? Thats all I said. I was only pointing something out. If 9-16 mattered that much we'd have a thread for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnwarA101
Sigh... 12th place means that he didn't make it in due to Tiebreakers. I'm pretty sure 15th place is the same thing with that many people.
And honestly, I'm not one to judge tournaments like this as the "be all-end all" source of information. Everyone knows that the smaller the sample size, the more random the data. I would much rather go off testing results than the top4's/8's of big tournaments. Granted, they DO mean something, But just because Ravager top8's more recently than solidarity doesn't mean it's better against the field. Luck is a big part of this game.
Solidarity is still one of the best decks in the format, and it did well all day even if people were very prepared for it (not everybody, but you can't mandate intellligence or preparedness or attendance, right MR. Lives 2 hours away but was too lazy to come?). Given the proxy situation, I know a lot of us expected it to be everywhere (proxy Resets) so there was a lot of hate aimed at it. People won't be able to do that at the next MLO, as it will be unproxied. Top 16 in this case was NOT tiebreakers, with the possible exception of Phil Stoltze in 9th, everybody below that was a loss or tie away from making Top 8. This was an awesome event, Ray should get much love from the community for this - insane prizes well distributed at a fantabulous store/tourney location. Hopefully this becomes a quarterly/semi-annual event asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by bane_of_the_living
EDIT: Proxies - mostly duals all day & very few people had any that I saw, of the people I played, only my Round 7 opp with Goblins had any & they were Duals, last fetch, & some random SB card. Surprisingly, most people played decks they had cards for or chose not to delve into weird expensive inaccessible cards like Chains, Void, etc
Just so you know, He wasn't too lazy to go! It was our daughters birthday party, so swallow your foot.
Welcome to the Source man! Awesome job with an unexpected deck!Quote:
Originally Posted by The M.E.T.H.O.D
Props:
Ray for holding the tournament
Nightmare for 2nd placing
Horny Goat Weed
Gaming Etc. for having an awesome place to play
Subway
Slops:
Being too tired I could barely function (Gearheart can confirm this)
Taking the long way home
Caulyn for not accepting my dare
Kadi for not understanding that in order for the car to stop you need to apply the breaks ahead of time.
My Name is Scott's opponents for cheating
I was playing Salvager Game after quite a long hiatus from tournament play so I can't say that my play skill was top notch. I went 0-2 vs. 5/3, 0-2 versus Solidarity and then spent the rest of the day coming back playing against scrubs (and then Jim, my ride to the event).
My favorite moment was duressing the kid with the hot mom and deciding that Flight was the biggest threat in his hand. Then, both times I comboed I had to explain every step of the way. He almost surprised me with a poorly placed Word of Unsummoning though. If he had hit my Salvager in response to me cracking Diamond I'd have been impressed but unfortunately that didn't happen.
Props to Mr. Nightmare for sleeping in a blanket fort and then taking second.
I've got some brushing up to do and hopefully I'll be back in my game the next time you guys see me.
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Originally Posted by herbigtoo
Hmm...I have heard a lot about this hot mom, was there any way you could have duressed the MILF?
I was sitting right next to him pretty much as he made that play... the kids deck had no sleeves, and several championship edition cards in it. I almost felt bad for him, although I sadly never had the chance to see his mom.
I saw the championship cards as soon as he drew his first hand. I figured it was the third round and if no one had called him on it yet I wasn't going to be that guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadaj