[Deck] Aluren

I will preface this comment by saying I am not yet that experienced with this deck, so I might be totally wrong, but I think you do want some discard left postboard vs Death and Taxes. Using Martin's list, I would sideboard like this:

In: 1 Krosan Grip, 1 Abrupt Decay, 2 Toxic Deluge, 1 Bone Shredder, 1 Minister of Pain, 1 Null Rod

Out: 1 Shardless Agent (Thalia can make cascade suck), 1 Eternal Witness (Usually they will be STP'ing to disrupt the combo, so witness loses it's luster. Also they could have rest in peace for DRS making this dead), 1 Aluren (this seems weird but unlike the countermagic decks you only really need to see 1 of these to win), 2 Thoughtseize, 2 Cabal Therapy (if you think they are going really deep on the Rest in Peace plan maybe all Cabals leaving 2 Thoughtseize).

Happy for a more experienced player to correct any mistakes.

I'm a long time D&T player. Discard is annoying in the first 2 turns, especially first turn because some people (me definitely included) sometimes keep hands that rely on AEther Vial too much. But the things about discard against D&T is that unless it's multiple cards at once (Hymn or Therapy hitting multiple cards), isn't too annoying with a Vial, especially if there are 2 Vials. Response activate, you now have either no choice because we were baiting you into wasting mana.

I think you would only want discard on the play to try and hit vial. other than that most of the battle is fought on the field, so feel free to board out the discard for stuff that can interact with on board permanents.

I played Aluren for the first time last night, taking it to our weekly without even goldfishing it after getting the last piece in the mail that afternoon. I played:

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Baleful Strix
4 Imperial Recruiter
4 Shardless Agent
2 Dream Stalker
1 Cavern Harpy
1 Eternal Witness
1 Edric, Spymaster of Trest
1 Parasitic Strix

4 Aluren
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Thoughtseize

4 Misty Rainforest
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Polluted Delta
2 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
1 Taiga
1 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
2 Forest
1 Island
1 Swamp

Sideboard
2 Force of Will
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Flusterstorm
1 Krosan Grip
1 Spell Pierce
1 Null Rod
1 Tsabo's Web
1 Carpet of Flowers
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Minister of Pain
1 Plaguebearer
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Scavenging Ooze

Both main and board were kind of thrown together based on what I was expecting (mostly Shardless, tempo, and some fringe stuff, light on combo) and I couldn't find any Faerie Macabre around for the board. Matches went as follows. Games and boarding are all from memory, so there are almost certainly mistakes somewhere.

Round 1: Shardless BUG
Game 1: Discard and a couple early creatures make him think I'm on some kind of Shardless version. Tried to go off when I knew 2/4 cards in his hand, neither of which were blue or relevant. Unknowns were Force+BS, Aluren is countered, and I get ground out.
-1 Edric, +1 Decay
Game 2: Shardless did what Shardless does. Discard shreds my hand and I get beat down by 2 6/7 Goyfs.
0-1

Round 2: Junk Nic Fit
Game 1: Combo out T4. He has 1 StP, which isn't enough.
-1 Edric, +1 Plaguebearer
Game 2: Super grindy. He discards or destroys all 4 Alurens over the course of the game. He has early Teeg, which eventually eats removal. We both end up hellbent shortly after that. I'm grinding pretty well with Strix+Shardless, he wipes me with Deed and sticks Canonist. Meren of Clan Nel Toth does a great job recurring Pridemage before I can get a pair of DRS online and shut her down. Plaguebearer eats a couple little guys, and DRS activations along with two kinds of Strix eventually get there over a Thragtusk. I ended the game with something like 10 lands despite him siding out Vets and 10 cards left in the library.
1-1

Round 3: ANT
Game 1: I don't really do much. Discard something, Edric comes down in the hopes that I can draw some more disruption, and he has a ritual chain into AN into dead.
-3 Decay, -1 Stalker, +2 FoW, +1 FS, +1 SP
Game 2: I shouldn't have won this one. He misplayed pretty badly (missed land drop, counted mana wrong when going off) and could only get up to 7 Tendrils. Followed up with Aluren into Baleful Strix and Harpy with DRS down and he scooped with no cards in hand.
Game 3: Therapy takes one ritual, flashback takes two more rituals, and Aluren comes down T4 for the combo.
2-1

Round 4: Angel Stompy
Game 1: I know what he's on and blind Therapy away a 3sphere. There's some posturing back and forth where he lands Chalice on 3, but I eventually hit a Decay and combo off.
-2 Shardless, -1 Stalker, +1 Decay, +1 Grip, +1 Rec Sage
Game 2: Another super grindy one. He Geddons when I have 3 lands (Aluren/Recruiter in hand) and it left with 3sphere and a Chalice on 1, but I'm at least able to remove a Suppression Field in response and follow with a fetch. I get back to three lands and remove the 3sphere before he Geddons again. I try to grind him out with a pair of Strix but he eventually finds a Windborn Muse then a couple more threats and runs them over.
Game 3: He opens on Leyline of Sanctity and 3sphere a turn later. I can Decay the 3sphere, then land Aluren and combo off, with Rec Sage eating Leyline.
3-1

Ended 2/11 for the night, which is respectable for going in without ever having shuffled the deck before. Maindeck felt pretty good, though I think Edric and Rec Sage are swapping. He's a little bit of a pet card, but I never really wanted him and the local meta is pretty good at stopping creature swings. Sideboard had a number of things I never touched, but a lot of that were matchups. I know at least two of the regulars are on Pyromancer decks and there's frequently a couple Miracles or Miracles-similar lists around, so I don't want to make any drastic changes yet. I'm obviously new to the deck despite a good first outing, so comments are very welcome.

In general I always keep a couple therapy against D&T in any deck I'm running. It's helpful to make SFM useless and gain information on future plays. In addition, just blind naming Plow when you're about to go off seems valuable, or at worst, fine.

I'd keep it to 2-3 and not go crazy with it, as it'll be lame Shardless hits or lame draws. This comes from a lot of playing with GBx mid-range decks and Grixis Delver; so if I'm off base, alright.

Against D&T I tend to board out the cabal therapies and the thought seize. I prefer to answer what the have on the board instead of disrupting their hand. Basically moving to instant speed interaction to avoid being ported to death. That being said removing StP can be useful but It has never been a deciding factor for me.

The topic is very old, do you want to write a new one? The deck is changed a lot and this is the best moment to talk about it.

No its not

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Hi people can someone help me plz?

I wanted a recent deck list with veteran Aluren.

Actually i am thinking about that deck list :


1 Eternal Witness
4 Imperial Recruiter
1 Parasitic Strix
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Dream Stalker
1 Cavern Harpy
4 Baleful Strix
4 Veteran Explorer


4 Aluren
3 Diabolic Intent
1 Sylvan Library
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Brainstorm
2 Thoughtseize


2 Island
2 Swamp
5 Forest
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs

Sideboard

1 Bone Shredder
1 Minister of Pain
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Force of Will
2 Krosan Grip
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Null Rod
1 Sylvan Library
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Thoughtseize

But i am not sure about Baleful Strix in this deck and 1 sylvan in sideboard. I think i have to put deathrite too.

Please tell me what can i have to change?

Thanks!

Remove veterans, intent and check out last pages for better insight. Top 8 deck is there..



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Actually veteran deck worse than Aluren deck? If yes, can you explain please.

Because i have the Aluren deck And i saw someone was playing veteran Aluren last week.
I think it is a good deck too no?

Thanks
(I am sorry for my bad english)

Dude, I don't know what you just said. Look at lists and pick one..

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Veteran Explorer is good in metagames with very few basics overall. Think Canadian Threshold, RUG, etc. Basically matchups where only you get to search because they have nothing to find. If there are decks with at least 3-4 basics they can get as ahead as you, and it's a matter of seeing who can do more broken stuff. Blue control decks with basics (Miracles, or certain Landstill variants years ago) are problematic because they resolve their bombs and you don't. Against control decks in general you should board Veterans out; you don't need acceleration if the opposition is slow.

I don't have experience with Deathrite Shaman here, but it seems to act as the counterpart to Veteran: Veteran is broken in some matchups and mediocre in others, while Deathrite is never broken but always performs well. My advice: play Veteran if your metagame is aggro and/or aggro-control, and Deathrite if it's mostly control. And if you want to stick to Veteran and your metagame is full of blue control, always pack some Carpet of Flowers in your sideboard.

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Veteran Explorer is good in metagames with very few basics overall. Think Canadian Threshold, RUG, etc. Basically matchups where only you get to search because they have nothing to find. If there are decks with at least 3-4 basics they can get as ahead as you, and it's a matter of seeing who can do more broken stuff. Blue control decks with basics (Miracles, or certain Landstill variants years ago) are problematic because they resolve their bombs and you don't. Against control decks in general you should board Veterans out; you don't need acceleration if the opposition is slow.

I don't have experience with Deathrite Shaman here, but it seems to act as the counterpart to Veteran: Veteran is broken in some matchups and mediocre in others, while Deathrite is never broken but always performs well. My advice: play Veteran if your metagame is aggro and/or aggro-control, and Deathrite if it's mostly control. And if you want to stick to Veteran and your metagame is full of blue control, always pack some Carpet of Flowers in your sideboard.

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Thanks for your anwser.

I don't get why nobody plays 1 copy of http://deckbox.org/mtg/Dimir house guard as imperial recruiter target for catch aluren

It is glacially slow and doesn't actually accomplish what you want it to do; When you need to tutor Aluren, you need Aluren as soon as possible, and getting it after spending 3 mana for Recruiter, 3 mana for this, and 4 mana for Aluren is not the way to get it done. I would rather be interested to see a variant with Academy Rector should you feel desperate to get Aluren, but that would very likely push the mana way too hard. The biggest problem with the "Value" Aluren creatures, ones that are just in there to tutor for, is that you already tend to have plenty to do with your mana due to the nature of the Aluren combo itself.

Based on Martin Goldman-Kirst's decklist, what's your sideboarding strategies against Lands? Discards are good?

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Based on Martin Goldman-Kirst's decklist, what's your sideboarding strategies against Lands? Discards are good?

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Discard is not great against Lands game one. Game two its not a bad idea. You can take away the Grips before you drop Aluren and that really helps you. Also if you can strip away a gamble your likely on the right path too. Yea I can see it's value. Never thought of it before but yes, it is not a bad plan.

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Something to play with. Maybe it has that problem of "why not just win instead". It could be used to buy time or remove creatures that prevent us from comboing (revoker).

This feels too similar to Man-O'-War to me. It would also require us to be White, which is a bit of a stretch. This card is a trap and shouldn't be played; if you are concerned with creatures, something like Man-O'-War or Bone Shredder (or even Fire Imp) would be more beneficial; I would even wager that Fleshbag Marauder would help more than this would.