There is no doubt about it! I play 4 wraiths and 4 probes. You definetly need one cantrip or LED to Recross in your hand. Otherwise the hand is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacrix
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There is no doubt about it! I play 4 wraiths and 4 probes. You definetly need one cantrip or LED to Recross in your hand. Otherwise the hand is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacrix
I was thinking more along the lines of
2 Street Wraith
4 Probe
4 MM
Otherwise you are cutting yourself short on red sources.. though a 3/3 split between Wraith and MM could work too.
Dont you think that recross needs to many requiremnt to work?
I ran Belcher for the first time tonight at my local 20 man legacy tournament. Went undefeated in matches and games. I played Chancellor of the Tangle and 1 Gitaxian Probe over Land Grant & Taiga. I also played Tinder Wall to help make Chancellor better, which worked out pretty well. Overall I really liked the list and would run the same 60 back if I play it again. The best part about Chancellor is you know for sure your opponent will die if you activate Belcher.
Worst part was boredom from waiting on everyone else to finish since all my matches were done in what seemed like 5 minutes. :P
Nice. How often were you able to make the Chancellor + Chrome Mox play? How often was Chancellor a dead card? And did you find that Chancellor would have been better as a land for pass the turn plays? Did you have any color fixing issues?
Far from conclusive, but this is a start towards finding out whether or not Chancellor is a good LG/Taiga replacement. And it makes the deck like 60 bucks cheaper.
Further, if your opponent plays something turn 1 like Pithing Needle on Belcher, you can improvise and hardcast your Chancellor. Its not the best play in the world but he makes himself G cheaper on the first turn and getting to 4GG isn't that hard. 6/7 Vigilance/Reach can block Goblin Guides, Goyfs, and Delvers all day long while smashing face.
Lol. It would be so cool to win a game this way. Anyway, this version of belcher seems so versatile, i really love it. There is a big event in my hometown this weekend and i will definetly grab this stuff. Post my result afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacrix
What did you play against?Quote:
Originally Posted by fredteded
I've been testing serum powder and the impression i had was that it's as good as bad topdeck...
The main problem I'm having with Serum Powder is what do I take out for it? And indeed, past your 1th turn, Powder is just plain BAD!
The point of Serum Powder builds is to have such an aggressive mulligan that topdecking after the first turn doesn't really matter.
I know, but again, what do you take out for them?
You dont want to run powder? or you are talking about sideboarding?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklingske
What I mean is this: I understand why you would want to play Powder, but starting from a standard list, what do you replace in the deck to make place for the powders? Maybe the Tinder walls?
Never. Reokace cantrips if you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklingske
Okay, thanks. I'll try it out. Probably I'll replace the manamorphoses first & then the Probes. And see what goes best during testing.
storm newb here so i apologize if the question is silly but i really want to play this deck one day.
I'm a huge fan of the 1 land lists but i dont understand why it would run a full playset of land grants. if you fetch the taiga then you can't go off with belcher, right? wouldnt decks be better off running 2 grants instead of 4 and an extra 2 cantrips?
Someone asked that a couple pages back. You just don't understand how the card works. They still die if you activate Goblin Charbelcher with no lands left in your deck.
oh my god! if thats the case then your best bet is to use land grant. amazing!Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
I don't really think there's any room left for Street Wraith in this deck. Plus, I mean, it kind of encourages keeping shitty hands. Now you're tempted to roll with a hand that has X number of Wraiths/Probes thinking that you'll "hit" something and, welp, the odds aren't great!
I do like the Chancellor idea though. At the very least, it's worth giving a whirl.
This is my current list; I think it counts as one of the more 'basic' builds. I'd love to try it out, but I have no idea how to encorporate something like Serum Powder, or how to play it effectively.
Main Deck:
4 Goblin Charbelcher
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal
4 Tinder Wall
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Manamorphose
4 Seething Song
4 Pyretic Ritual
1 Taiga
4 Land Grant
4 Rite of Flame
4 Burning Wish
4 Gitaxian Probe
3 Empty the Warrens
SB:
1 Infernal Tutor
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Goblin War Strike
1 Shattering Spree
1 Hull Breach
1 Pyroclasm
1 Deathmark
4 Xantid Swarm
3 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
Also, any I haven't read through the other 1399 posts to see if there where any major advances in sideboarding or main decking, and any tips on that would be very helpful