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This is Legacy. Things like Regrowth and Witness are legal and perfectly fine cards, if you're looking for that kind of effect. Or Sylvan library. Or Maelstrom Pulse as a catch-all answer. Playing stuff like Obnoxious Revival just means cheating yourself.Quote:
So you never tried it. This card has won me games looking for answers that were used.
This is Legacy. Things like Demonic Tutor, Mystical Tutor Demonic Consultation are illegal and banned. For a deck that fills the graveyard extremely fast, you are just cheating yourself out of the 5 of and 6 of the spell.
Anyways, I suggest you try the card first, then make an assessment. Try it with regrowh (a two mana cost sorcery), try it with witness (a three mana creature), before you dismiss a free instant that gets any card you used before.
This is Legacy. Things like Demonic Tutor, Mystical Tutor Demonic Consultation are illegal and banned. For a deck that fills the graveyard extremely fast, you are just cheating yourself out of the 5 of and 6 of the spell.
Anyways, I suggest you try the card first, then make an assessment. Try it with regrowh (a two mana cost sorcery), try it with witness (a three mana creature), before you dismiss a free instant that gets any card you used before.
If you're going to take my sentence and twist it around the outcome should at least make some sense.Quote:
This is Legacy. Things like Demonic Tutor, Mystical Tutor Demonic Consultation are illegal and banned. For a deck that fills the graveyard extremely fast, you are just cheating yourself out of the 5 of and 6 of the spell.
With revival you're going to skip a drawstep to get a spell already cast - with any other spell you're getting that one PLUS the draw you were going to skip for your revival. So as long as you're not playing Chimney Imp (which I wouldn't be too surprised to see in your deck if you play Revival) that extra spell should be pretty decent and you should be fine.
Oh well, if this isn't the most obvious thing in the world for, then I'm probably wasting my time explaning it anyway.
so you prefer a random draw for an answer to a threat over knowing what you can get to answer the threat. By your logic, mystical tutor, enlightened tutor, and even vampiric tutor are bad cards then.Quote:
Originally Posted by fallenphoenix
OK. Card advantage is extremely overrated in this forum. Sure card advantage wins games, but so does card quality and knowing what you get.
Now you're just trolling. Obnoxious Revival is so fundamentally different in term of powerlevel and functionality that even you should recognize it.Quote:
By your logic, mystical tutor, enlightened tutor, and even vampiric tutor are bad cards then.
Which leads me to the conclusion that you just posted this argument for the sake of winning a discussion that you have already lost.
If you need something to improve your card quality try to run any of the stuff I named above, or even SDT.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showt...235915&page=58Quote:
Originally Posted by fallenphoenix
read from post 856. So far, there are 3 people who actually playtested this card and liked it. Your argument relies solely on the logic that its simple "card disadvantage" without ever touching the card in the deck. So who are we to believe? Actual playtesters or a person who relies on a theory without any testing.
It is pretty obvious who the actual troll is. A non-tester discarding a usefulness of a card. You even go so far as to calling it "obnoxious". GG. /end
This list I give is nothing new, but a tunning of the very first Eva green list. But I wanted to share my thoughts and see what do you think.
Main deck 60
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Tombstalker
4x Vampire Nighthawk
4x Nantuko Shade
4x Thoughtseize
4x Hymn to Toruach
4x Dark Ritual
4x Snuff Out
3x Liliana of the veil
2x Sylvan Library
2x Umezawa's Jitte
8x Black Fetch
4x Bayou
4x Wasteland
5x Swamp
Things that I like about main deck:
-Liliana, she is so sweet and helps in so many matchups. Eva green has now something to get through the mid game agaisnt other aggro decks.
-Nighthawk/Jitte/Sylvan: nice sinergy. Sylvan works, more or less, like a confidant (the reason of playing the enchantmnet over Bob is, obv, the 4 tombstalkers, but I like this redundacy in the deck).
Things I dislike:
-Very few disruption.
-No Bob, I had to choose between Bob and Tombstalker, and the latter seems like more needed, just for its body.
-Nantuko Shade: she seems like from another era, but I don't know which creature can fill his place (I thought of Malakir or Mesmeric Fiend, none of them convinced me neither)
The sideboard also needs like a lot of work, but this is a place to start:
3x Duress
3x Extirpate
3x Perish
3x Phyrexian Revoker (Deed, Jace, SDT, ...)
3x Krosan Grip (only if CB comes back, but I think it will, at least in the very next months)
So, what do you think?
Greetings,
Iņaki.-
4 tombstalkers are too much. 4 nantuko shades are too much. You can't just use any black fetch, you need verdent catacombs.Quote:
Originally Posted by egosum
I found library didnt add to the board presence, but thats just me. Jitte has won me games, but he is a mana sink when I need to drop critters the most.
I'm a pretty big fan of Sylvan Library, myself. Mid-Late game when you've stalled out, you get to do the thing black suicide loves to do (pay life!) to push through.
I'd also suggest trying out Maelstrom Pulse - it's a pretty good catchall answer. I'd play it as a 2 or 3-of.
Try giving Dismember a spin over Snuff Out as well? It hits Bob and opposing Tombstalkers yet still is fast enough to catch those T1 Lackeys.
Here is a question: has anyone considered Phyrexian Negator as a sideboard card against combo (for what it's worth it's probably not a bad maindeck card either)? It's way better against them in the sense that since hippie's disrupting capability has become less relevant over time it at least puts them on a way shorter clock.
Also, last time i played with Negator he did quite a number on merfolk. It might not be so obvious at first, but those guys really don't have many good ways to get rid of a 5/5 creature once it sticks. If you keep their lord count low you can pretty much ride a single negator to victory at the cost of a land here and there.
Disruption + Beatz is what beats combo, not bigger beaters. Modern fast combo decks outrace T1 Negator easily anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annatar
Turn 1 dark ritual --> negatorQuote:
Originally Posted by Annatar
or
Turn 1 dark ritual --> inquisition, hymn to tourach.
Sign me up for the latter.
On another note, some lists run gatekeeper. Do you guys feel this can be replaced with liliana? Its even friendlier with the casting cost. But you do lose that 2/2 body that once in a while does come in handy.
@Annatar: Honestly, Hypnotic Specter is much better than Negator against combo. You consistently randomly wreck their hand and even Leyline of Sanctity can't protect them from it. Post board options usually mean that discard effects are your best bet against combo.
@Avatar of Shadow: I've been very happy with Gatekeepers but I'm wanting to give Liliana a spin. I think a 3 mana planewalker whose plus ability doesn't always hurt you (unlike little Jace) seems really awesome.
If I m not playing 4x Tombstalkers. Then I 'll play 2x Tombstalkers +4x Dark Confidant, but then I'll lose a lot of body (if I do this I'll not play sylvan either). This is an alternate maindeck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar of Shadow
4x Tarmogoyf
2x Tombstalker
2x Gatekeeper Malakir
4x Vampire Nighthawk
4x Dark Confidant
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Thoughtseize
4x Hymn to Toruach
4x Dark Ritual
2x Go for the Throat
2x Ghastly Demise
3x Liliana of the veil
2x Umezawa's Jitte
8x Black Fetch
4x Bayou
4x Wasteland
5x Swamp
Is itany better?
Greetings,
Iņaki.-
I've never been a huge fan of Bob in Eva Green since we're generally trying to beat face and win the game before they can recover from our disruption. If things go long, we're in trouble anyways.
I tend to like the "free" black removal spells like Snuff Out / Dismember more than Ghastly Demise / GFTT.
I think this is the way to go too but since it s been long time since I last played eva, I wanted to contrast.
Which list would you play? With Liliana? I think she is so sweet.
Greetings,
Iņaki.-
There's really two ways to think of bob...either you have him in and not be afraid of stalker or you add more threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by egosum
I personally cannot live without the best 2 drop in the game.
As for liliana, I don't know man. No one's been testing this deck out since MM came out. Lets find out how she is in the coming months.
With that new deck list that you have, liliana and gatekeepers are overlapping. You should really choose one or the other, possibly using 2 lilianas (you don't really wanna see that many planeswalkers), and 2 gatekeepers (or 1 gatekeeper depending how you like it).
Add that ONE single forest in. you will need it. and dont' forget about maelstrom pulse
Personally, i don't think that Hypnotic Specter is good as advertised against the faster combo decks, even on turn one. If they feel they have to they will just hide their important cards with Brainstorm even though they are just that redundant. They have a lot of spells that can help them dig deep enough into the deck to recover the cards they've lost to the specter that's hitting them for 2 a turn.
The only reason Hypnotic Specter maintained it's place in Red Death and Eva Green at the time is that his disruption effect was relevant. With those days long gone (even Sinkhole isn't what it used to be), it's only reasonable to try and find something reasonable to replace him.
Phyrexian Negator can at least force an Ad Nauseam player to start the combo earlier then it might be convenient for them. Same thing goes for High Tide. If he is followed with even minimal creature/disruption support he can finish a game in short order. With Tarmogoyf he makes the fastest and the deadliest tag-team this deck can muster at this point.
Between Both negator and spector, I would choose spector, just because I can almost guarantee he will eat a removal if he was dropped on the first three turns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annatar
This clears the way for bob and my real threats.
to be honest, I rather play sinkhole over negator. Thats how much i don't like that guy.