Since wizards is fine with $900 Tabernacles and so on, does anyone else think we could see a Library of Alexandria unban? I don't think Mana Drain would be good for Legacy, but that's not sacred due to "it's worth too much to unban" anymore either.
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Since wizards is fine with $900 Tabernacles and so on, does anyone else think we could see a Library of Alexandria unban? I don't think Mana Drain would be good for Legacy, but that's not sacred due to "it's worth too much to unban" anymore either.
Mana drain would be fine...Quote:
Originally Posted by btm10
...just let me know before they quintuple in price.
I find it highly unlikely that anything that only helps blue (tempo or control) will be unbanned. WOTC is aware that it is the runaway favorite for best color in Legacy and anything that strengthens it further would likely be a disaster for the format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Octopusman
Tabernacle is more a product of circumstance and less desire on anyone's part for that price. Not being able to print more kind of locks up the options for doing anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Octopusman
Considering how many Wastelands there are in Legacy, I'd actually say that Library wouldn't really be that great (I mean, not format breaking). Of course, it would still randomly steal games where you are on the draw and your opponent doesn't have or play Wasteland though. Pretty sure there is a 0% chance this is unbanned. It's really dumb as a 4 of. Not really sour grapes, I own 3, mind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral_Arzar
I don't know, I think Mana Drain is actually a little too good. It's very punishing versus decks that don't have countermagic to fight back with and would probably force the format back to Red being the default splash color for everything, just to get Pyroblast/REB effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
I still think it's ridiculous that Earthcraft is still on the list. That and Mind Twist should probably come off, finally.
Library is probably fine as a 1-of in legacy, because it promote going second quite a bit and going second in this format is a HUGE negative, and it's a tempo blackhole, which again, it's hard to afford in this format.
As a four of though? Chaining libraries is the epitome stupidly overpowered. The card ain't even legendary.
Also, library is essentially a piece of power that see 0 play. To go from that, to a piece of power played in a somewhat popular format as a 4-of? It could very well become the most expensive card in magic. I'm not thrilled.
Eternal masters, pls wizards one timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
Well, like I said, I'm not advocating for it's unbanning, nor do I think it would ever happen, or should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gheizen64
I'm just saying, if it say, had been unbanned at the dawn of Legacy, chances are good it wouldn't be dominant, especially now with how widespread Wasteland is.
That being said, I would pick up a set of Earthcrafts and Mind Twists sooner rather than later if I didn't already have sets, because I feel it's only a matter of time until those are unbanned. Like Black Vise and Worldgorger before them, there is often a good deal of doom-saying on how they'll ruin the format, but chances are really good they are actually unplayable to border-line playable.
Realistically speaking, I don't see any changes.
People used to complain about Miracles, now Eldrazi just smack that deck around, so I guess Wizards indirectly answered to Miracles haters' complaints, by accident perhaps. If Eldrazi ever becomes dominant, which I doubt, then we would have discussion.
Modern I am sure we will see changes, Legacy no and Vintage... Well I hope not.
I have two Earthcrafts in my Enchantress deck right now, just like I do before every update. I think they'll take Mind Twist off the list first, for what little that's worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
I wasn't serious :PQuote:
Originally Posted by H
That said, Im not entirely sure that it is too good but it could lead to the scenario you mentioned (moreso then say earthcraft or mind twist), and not worth finding out if it is, and again, suddenly everyone needs 4 mana drains.
Isn't the unofficial rule of thumb: one on, one off? I can't really see something getting the hammer in Legacy, so no unbanning of [insert card-name here], right?
Yeah, even price aside, it would be rather gross to just give Blue a card of that power-level really. Since I play Vintage, I own Drains, but I don't think you can ever really totally divorce some of the banned list from their prices when looking at what might come off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
You never know with this tread though, sometimes you can be having a normal, level-headed conversation about the list and next thing you know someone is trying to make absurd statements, like Balance is a perfectly acceptable card. I should have figured you were kidding though.
I think Balance is a perfectly acceptable card and it deserves to be unban.
I had a hard time just reaching the end of that statement.
Anyway, we won't see any change, legacy is healthy at the moment (imo.)
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Modern Eldrazi doesn't regularly play Thorn, so I doubt it. Too much of the format plays a lot of creatures. It's also only a $15 card, what's the big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Octopusman
I heard of a sensei's top banning in legacy. Interesting rumor...
Why now, out of all times? Miracles is the top dog of the format, as ever, but at least Eldrazi can put a dent into its dominance. Banning it now would make no sense after it ruined the format for years, considering how Wizards was fine with it until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
And suddenly the poll becomes relevant again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
But more interesting: what could be unbanned?
(Full circle)
Unban Balance! And Strip Mine! They reprinted those cards, so they must want them as 4-ofs in Legacy. Not at all broken.