[Primer/Deck] Pox

i've reverted back to my old "reid duke" list running NoSB and and a singleton engineered plague in the main..i think most U/R delver decks' current list today run Monastery Swiftspear, Young Pyromancer and Delver of Secrets..If you can resolve a plague naming human/humans, i think its almost lights out for them..you just need to watch out for the bolts, chain lightnings and price of progress(if they're maindecking it)..that's where the spinning darkness comes in to buy us a turn or two until our wincons bring them down..

To anyone playing the Living Wish version, what do you think of Necroplasm as a wish fetchable mass removal? First turn you have him out he kills all YP tokens

Don t forget flipped delver ahah

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Originally Posted by P-E

Don t forget flipped delver ahah

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ha ha ha..you're right..so if you are lucky enough to somehow manage to have both NoSB and engineered plague in play and a few spinning darkness in hand, chances are you'll win..but that seems a wee bit situational..
well, U/R is a tier1 deck..it doesn't just auto lose to any deck..but i think our deck has a good shot at beating it..smallpox just hurts them so much..

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Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag

@OmniStrata
you're still on monoblack right? can i see your most recent list?

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Reid Duke is my inspiration as well for this deck. I use his prior decks as a 'baseline' and put in what I like that hasn't failed me yet.

Win Cons: 8
2 Nether Spirit
2 Cursed Scroll
4 Mishra's Factory

Poxing: 9
4 Innocent Blood
4 Smallpox
1 Pox

Planeswalkers: 4
4 Liliana of the Veil

Bombs: 3
1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Engineered Plague
1 Trinisphere (to be replaced by Nether Void)

Staples (these are NON-NEGOTIABLE! :)): 16
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
4 Dark Ritual

Land : 20
12 Swamp
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland

Sideboard:
3 Engineered Plague; 3 Ensnaring Bridge -> Aggro or Combo-based aggro
4 Leyline of the Void; 1 Extirpate -> Graveyard. The 1 of is to remove their enchantment hate after they kill the 1st one
2 Pithing Needle; 2 Plague Boiler -> The hate that cannot be pithing! :mad: When snarky players pithing needled my Ratchet Bomb, I was very sad. Now their needles are useless against my hatin'! It's like Pernicious Deed without X. Also, hitting a single CMC type on the field left me hanging most of the time. KILL ALL! :cool:

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Originally Posted by OmniStrata

Reid Duke is my inspiration as well for this deck. I use his prior decks as a 'baseline' and put in what I like that hasn't failed me yet.

Win Cons: 8
2 Nether Spirit
2 Cursed Scroll
4 Mishra's Factory

Poxing: 9
4 Innocent Blood
4 Smallpox
1 Pox

Planeswalkers: 4
4 Liliana of the Veil

Bombs: 3
1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Engineered Plague
1 Trinisphere (to be replaced by Nether Void)

Staples (these are NON-NEGOTIABLE! :)): 16
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
4 Dark Ritual

Land : 20
12 Swamp
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland

Sideboard:
3 Engineered Plague; 3 Ensnaring Bridge -> Aggro or Combo-based aggro
4 Leyline of the Void; 1 Extirpate -> Graveyard. The 1 of is to remove their enchantment hate after they kill the 1st one
2 Pithing Needle; 2 Plague Boiler -> The hate that cannot be pithing! :mad: When snarky players pithing needled my Ratchet Bomb, I was very sad. Now their needles are useless against my hatin'! It's like Pernicious Deed without X. Also, hitting a single CMC type on the field left me hanging most of the time. KILL ALL! :cool:

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your build is about 98%-99% the same as mine..thanks for the prompt response..
i wouldn't fret too much about the trinisphere vs nethervoid thing..in some cases, trinisphere could be better..

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Originally Posted by Will_L

If it were me I would play 2 Massacre and 2 Golgari Charm.

It's definitely a metagame call... If you expect more Elves and Delver decks, jam more Charms. If you expect more Death and Taxes and Junk/Deadguy play more Massacres.

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I am indeed going 2/2. I expect both. I also hedged against both with a maindeck darkblast.

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Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag

ha ha ha..you're right..so if you are lucky enough to somehow manage to have both NoSB and engineered plague in play and a few spinning darkness in hand, chances are you'll win..but that seems a wee bit situational..
well, U/R is a tier1 deck..it doesn't just auto lose to any deck..but i think our deck has a good shot at beating it..smallpox just hurts them so much..

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Smallpox only hurts without Young Pyro out

Another reason to mainboard a darkblast, the dreaded yp army.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Safety

I am doing a GPT on Oct 25th. I will certainly post results, bt your comments about Treasure Cruise are duly noted.

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Make us proud :cool:

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Originally Posted by Mr. Safety

Another reason to mainboard a darkblast, the dreaded yp army.

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Think Bile Blight could be worth using?

Wouldn't this deck be a lot better with like 2-3 Tabernacle main?

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Originally Posted by Blastoderm

Wouldn't this deck be a lot better with like 2-3 Tabernacle main?

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i think so;
i'm on mono black and if i had one i'll run it..maybe 1 or 2 copies..i wouldn't run more than 2 though..

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Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag

i think so;
i'm on mono black and if i had one i'll run it..maybe 1 or 2 copies..i wouldn't run more than 2 though..

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If you're going that route, I'd recommend 1 Crucible of Worlds. When you start focusing on land, your own Poxes start to hurt. I used to run Cabal Pit and 1 Ghost Quarter way back when... :laugh: Suddenly your lands are damaging [mishra], killing [cabal pit], LD [Waste/Quarter], and anti-GY Bokuja Bog.

Old school build, but still effective in a less aggro meta.

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Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag

your build is about 98%-99% the same as mine..thanks for the prompt response..
i wouldn't fret too much about the trinisphere vs nethervoid thing..in some cases, trinisphere could be better..

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My meta actually has more control decks so Trinisphere becomes less effective late game. Nether Void is far more devastating late game when I'm on the giving end of Land Destruction. :cool:

I'll be playing Loam Pox tonight are our LGS legacy tourney. Will try to report the games after.

Here's the list I am running. Can't remember the last SB card off hand.


Mana
1 Barren Moor
4 Bayou
1 Cabal Pit
3 Dark Depths
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Swamp
3 Thespian's Stage
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
4 Mox Diamond

Spells
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Exploration
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Chains of Mephistopheles
2 Hymn to Tourach
4 Life from the Loam
4 Living Wish
2 Sinkhole
3 Smallpox
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Realms Uncharted
1 The Abyss
1 Unmask

Sideboard
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Dark Depths
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Maze of Ith
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Wasteland
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Vampire Hexmage
1 Necroplasm
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Tombstalker

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Originally Posted by hovercraft

I'll be playing Loam Pox tonight are our LGS legacy tourney. Will try to report the games after.

Here's the list I am running. Can't remember the last SB card off hand.


Mana
1 Barren Moor
4 Bayou
1 Cabal Pit
3 Dark Depths
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Swamp
3 Thespian's Stage
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
4 Mox Diamond

Spells
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Exploration
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Chains of Mephistopheles
2 Hymn to Tourach
4 Life from the Loam
4 Living Wish
2 Sinkhole
3 Smallpox
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Realms Uncharted
1 The Abyss
1 Unmask

Sideboard
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Dark Depths
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Maze of Ith
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Wasteland
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Vampire Hexmage
1 Necroplasm
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Tombstalker

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Cool list! I'll be playing something similar tomorrow. However I'm going more of a Lands route than Pox. Full set of crop rotations, 3 Top, 4 Exploration, etc. Will post list soon.

I might be a little worried about overrelying your wishboard a bit. I mean, I hope it works to have such extensive silver bullet options, if so maybe I'll change my approach too, but Living Wish can be slow and its two turns to play something from it and two chances to have a non-land card countered. I like things like the reclaimation Sage idea, but just boarding in Krosan Grip is more fool proof against Miracles and the like. Most times when I have a Wish, I just combo out when ready, but I do like options. If you are sucessful fighting Dredge and Reanimator by Wishing for ScOoze and Bog that would be great. I would gladly trade out my Leylines of the Void for that, but I wonder if it would be too slow. Ive been thinking of Necroplasm to Wish for against a full Pyro board, but have similar concerns about that type of approach.

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Originally Posted by beez

I might be a little worried about overrelying your wishboard a bit. I mean, I hope it works to have such extensive silver bullet options, if so maybe I'll change my approach too, but Living Wish can be slow and its two turns to play something from it and two chances to have a non-land card countered. I like things like the reclaimation Sage idea, but just boarding in Krosan Grip is more fool proof against Miracles and the like. Most times when I have a Wish, I just combo out when ready, but I do like options. If you are sucessful fighting Dredge and Reanimator by Wishing for ScOoze and Bog that would be great. I would gladly trade out my Leylines of the Void for that, but I wonder if it would be too slow. Ive been thinking of Necroplasm to Wish for against a full Pyro board, but have similar concerns about that type of approach.

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Yeah I think I do need some straightforward sideboard cards in the board too. Some games I wanted to take out a lot of removal (vs ANT) and barely had anything decent to side in.


Went 2-2

Round 1 ANT 0-2
G1 He fought through a T1 Chains to storm off anyway
G2: He went off before I could stop him

Round 2 High Tide 2-0

G1 I had T1 Hymn and T2 sinkhole to get me enough time to get Marit Laige out.
G2: Chalice on 1 on T2

Round 3: Sneak & Show 1-2

G1. He show and telled in a Grisel, and I put in an Abyss. But when Grisel Died, he drew enough gas to sneak in Emakrul next turn.
G2. Kept him to 1 land and had chalice on 0 for petals, I won eventually
G3. Kept his land low, but he eventually got a show and tell into Emakrul

Round 4: Mana Dredge 2-1
G1: Living wish Bojuka bog
G2: he went off on T2, couldn't do anything to stop it
G3: T1 Scavening ooze, living wish Bojuka bog


Overall the deck is still a bit clunky, I definitely need to adjust the sideboard.

Too much of the green stuff, too little of the black.


Instead of trying to maximise the green spells try go the other way and see how few you need to make the deck work.