Gots to let the LSVs of this world have their puns.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
I think Rice Krispies is awesome. I will try building the deck if it ends up being called that.
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Gots to let the LSVs of this world have their puns.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
I think Rice Krispies is awesome. I will try building the deck if it ends up being called that.
I agree with this except for the messengers. They are just a huge mistake in this deck, as we have gone over previously. I think pretty much everyone is in agreement on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infinitium
Ive been really liking the Matt Elias style with Genesis Wave, it has been way better then GSZ for me.
where can i find the IBA and K2 lists that ppl mention every page?
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Originally Posted by gypsy
Wish Build:
4 Birchlore Rangers
3 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Visionary
3 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Heritage Druid
1 Joraga Warcaller
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Glimpse of Nature
3 Living Wish
4 Summoner's Pact
2 Bayou
4 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
SB:
3 Buried Alive
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Joraga Warcaller
1 Masticore
1 Regal Force
3 Vengevine
3 Vexing Shusher
1 Viridian Zealot
Non-Wish:
4 Birchlore Rangers
3 Elvish Archdruid
4 Elvish Visionary
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Heritage Druid
1 Joraga Warcaller
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Summoner's Pact
2 Bayou
5 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
SB:
4 Buried Alive
3 Krosan Grip
4 Vengevine
4 Leyline of lifeforce
May I ask what situations is warcaller better than say another archdruid (other than comboing off?)
Anytime you have a buttload of mana. Whether he is in hand, summoned, or on the field (bounce with archdruid), he turns all your dudes into monsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atikin
Just figured it out a sec ago. Goldfished the following crazy hand: forest, archdruid, heritage, quirion, llanowar, fyndhorn, summoners pact.Quote:
Originally Posted by k2thej
Played fyndhorn, passed turn, drew forest, dumped out hand, passed turn, pacted for warcaller, 11 mana with aid of quirion and archdruid, swung with four 7/7s on turn 3.
Ain't it a blast?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atikin
Idk yet... seems like an extremely specific scenario to have an archdruid an untap AND a tutor.Quote:
Originally Posted by k2thej
That's only one use, you can use it if your combo fizzles to dumb your mana into and still win, that's one of the best advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atikin
Same list I ran at 3 GPTs this weekend;Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsy
12 Forest
3 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Quirion Ranger
3 Nettle Sentinel
3 Heritage Druid
1 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Priest of Titania
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Elvish Archdruid
1 Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
1 Regal Force
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Living Wish
SB:
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Wasteland
1 Wirewood Symbiote
1 Heritage Druid
1 Nettle Sentinel
1 Regal Force
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Terastodon
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
2 Elvish Champion
Sideboard open to some variance, although the only card I got no use out of over the weekend was Karakas. And I don't think I want to cut the card, except maybe for the new clone guy out of New Phyrexia.
Genesis Wave isn't a very good card, as it's only useful when you already have a ton of mana. I think it's probably less useful than Pact, which I cut since L. Wish and GSZ are just better against live opponents. If I added anything else I'd almost want some Multani's Acolytes; at least that echo you don't lose the game if you don't want to pay it.
I had no real problem with this list over the weekend, made a few bad misplays though. Also just ran into a ton of pure combo in the Richmond meta.
This seems like wishful thinking. In reality, board sweepers are almost always followed by other gamebreaking cards, whether that's Humility or Counterbalance or Planeswalkers or Haunting Echoes or whatever the fuck all. Like, you can try the nibbling plan, but it's a terrible plan A; this isn't 2005. Most control decks land game-breakers, they're not just planning on attacking with Faerie Conclave 10 times and that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infinitium
How were the 3 ESGs for you? How often did you fizzle on glimpses as it seems like you have very few one mana elves? Also how was green sun's zenith over summoners pact?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Green Sun's Zenith was amazing. It's a fantastic setup card; you can pretty often dig up a Priest of Titania turn 2, which is your ideal play. Fizzles were rare going off with a Priest or Archdruid. I would often attempt to go off turn 2 or 3 knowing I was unlikely to pull it off but just wanting to get a big board presence quickly and keep a large hand. By biggest problems were keeping hands that lacked or gas or where key cards got countered, or Wishing for the wrong card; I once Wished for an Elvish Champion post-board against Merfolk, where the only way you should really lose that matchup is against Jitte (which I did).
You also often Wish for a combo piece turn 2 so you can try to go off turn 3, in the situation where you don't have a Priest. It's really not hard to go off turn 3 if you're not hitting disruption. Disruption makes the game more complicated obviously, and you play around it differently depending upon what deck you're facing.
I was thinking that adding a single Masticore or Mouth or Ronom would be a good idea in the side to fight Peacekeeper. Also, what MU's did you run into? Any way we could have a condensed tournament report for the lot of them?
IBA ill probably try your list on tuesday for a local tournament providing i can borrow the cards.
I agree with you that pact is not that good and i havent really been liking it much lately. I dont see how genesis wave is a bad card just because its only good when I have a lot of mana, Ive almost always had a lot of mana and its been better than any other card I could have had in that situation multiple times
The point is, when you don't have all that mana and are trying to set up your combo, Wish and Zenith are much easier to use, while still serving as end-combo bombs.
Yeah. I mean there are definitely situations where I have tons of mana and no gas, and Wave would be great there, but only marginally better than Wish or Zenith. Meanwhile, in the situation where I have gas but no mana, Wish and Zenith are both great, where Wave would be dead.
I mean there might be room in the deck for a 9th or 10th tutor effect, and maybe Wave and Pact and oh maybe even Chord of Calling can fight that slot out, but I'm not ready to say so yet.
Yeah. I mean there are definitely situations where I have tons of mana and no gas, and Wave would be great there, but only marginally better than Wish or Zenith. Meanwhile, in the situation where I have gas but no mana, Wish and Zenith are both great, where Wave would be dead.
I mean there might be room in the deck for a 9th or 10th tutor effect, and maybe Wave and Pact and oh maybe even Chord of Calling can fight that slot out, but I'm not ready to say so yet.
Hm. Fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by lorddotm
In the SCG-Boston just now, the 3rd placer is an Elf Combo that runs Intuition/Vengevine.
Does glimpse of Nature and Intuition synch?
His sideboards have 6 anti creatures. Any comments? Is the Meta runs on a lot of aggro?