Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Thats a good point Koby. It also is one reason I like burning wish as a 4 of. It is a combination of a storm engine/answer to a problem/win condition.
Also if we were to replace PiF and IGG what would you want to put into their place?
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Koby
I don't remember precisely what was in the yard, but he used his mainphase to eat the first RoF after making me discard with Lily, so I just combo'd off instead. Otherwise, I would have had an incredible amount of mana off RoF into BW.
Sure, you'll have more mana, but your options are PiF into cantrips, Igg into them, or diminishing returns with some number floating, neither of which seem like guarantees while letting you tutor chain is.
In the blind, I'd want to eat tutor over RoF, so it is curious to me why he made the other decision and made it in his mainphase. Not knocking your 4-0 (congrats btw), but I disagree with your opponents line of play.
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Tammit67
Sure, you'll have more mana, but your options are PiF into cantrips, Igg into them, or diminishing returns with some number floating, neither of which seem like guarantees while letting you tutor chain is.
In the blind, I'd want to eat tutor over RoF, so it is curious to me why he made the other decision and made it in his mainphase. Not knocking your 4-0 (congrats btw), but I disagree with your opponents line of play.
I did too. Perhaps he thought he could choke me on mana by getting rid of a RoF (since I tutored for one). He didn't anticipate me having 2 in hand already perhaps? Let's assume for the sake of argument I had 2 IT and getting rid of the discarded RoF was correct. He didn't have many options playing a Jund deck aside from +1 Liliana and RFG a card in my g/y.
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I mean it is probably similar to what happened when Prosak was playing ANT at the GP. You opponent knew you had the Rite and Probably his first thought was to choke you on your mana.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
In other news, Bryant's list has been very good to me as is. While the standard portion of GP AC was not the greatest, the Legacy side events proved productive. My only loss involved a Show and Tell opponent who had 4 force, 4 misdirection, 2 flusterstorm main with more pierces/flusters in board along with 4 Leylines.
I think 4 silence 3 duress is fine right now. Against the non blue discard decks, silence often protects well enough in order for you to draw into a kill not disrupted, and at least in my meta there are enough blue decks with snapcaster and/or top that I really want as many silence as is reasonable. Chant effects doesn't sound bad, but duress is still insane against the likes of show and tell or other matchups where a simple silence doesn't quite have the value in stopping their gameplan.
In the sideboard, I don't really use shattering spree all that often, and am considering switching it out for.... something. not sure what I'd want though
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Tammit67
In other news, Bryant's list has been very good to me as is. While the standard portion of GP AC was not the greatest, the Legacy side events proved productive. My only loss involved a Show and Tell opponent who had 4 force, 4 misdirection, 2 flusterstorm main with more pierces/flusters in board along with 4 Leylines.
I think 4 silence 3 duress is fine right now. Against the non blue discard decks, silence often protects well enough in order for you to draw into a kill not disrupted, and at least in my meta there are enough blue decks with snapcaster and/or top that I really want as many silence as is reasonable. Chant effects doesn't sound bad, but duress is still insane against the likes of show and tell or other matchups where a simple silence doesn't quite have the value in stopping their gameplan.
In the sideboard, I don't really use shattering spree all that often, and am considering switching it out for.... something. not sure what I'd want though
This is where I'm at, except mine is Breach for versatility. I'm happy with 74 of my 75. Although, there's not another card I want to put in it's place.
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Do we just auto lose to mud stompy? It seems borderline impossible to win through all of the hate.
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Megadeus
Do we just auto lose to mud stompy? It seems borderline impossible to win through all of the hate.
You have speed, they use a lot of ancient tomb activations to get ahead, rarely have a way to deal with turn 1 discard/silence, and goblins aren't dead. And then there is postboard.
It's not great, but not autolose
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Mud was huge in my meta when I used to TES it up and unless they draw tons of wastelands it's not too hard of a MU with an early win or early disruption. Going first helps a lot, but most list will drop a metalworker or monolith turn 1 so it's usually not a big deal. Disruption in chalice and 3sphere is delt with in the board. Playout your artifact mana in g2. It's not too hard of a MU especially if your draws are good.
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I <3 MTGO, the lack of Force of Will makes it so damn easy to win with TES.
Running count: 8-0
Faced: Junk, Manaless Dredge, Jund, Jund, Belcher, Elves, budget Reanimator (Foil in place of FoW), and Maverick
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I got ROFL stomped by MUD tonight. I know what he is on. I durress him T1 and see a bunch of nothing and take a Thran Dynamo. He then casually draws and Goes, Chalice for 1. Pass. Eventually I hull breach it and then he goes, Chalice for one. I proceed to scoop em up a few turn later after I make 8 Goblins and he Plays All is Dust.
G2 I Mull to 6 and keep a slower, but playable hand. He then goes Chalice for 0. T2 Plays a Lodestone Golem. I scoop. I shouldve known to play the artifact mana. I just didnt. I tilted a bit after G1 of him ripping like a champ.
Round 2 I played against Burn. I again knew what he was on but didnt keep a fast hand. He had me down to 4 by T3 thanks to my own City of Brass and a probe.
G2 he has Mind Break Trap against my Mull to 6 and I have Ill Gotten Gains in my hand so it is essentially dead... Ugh.
I dropped after that. So disappointed. I knew the first guy and was thinking, man I do not want to play MUD. Then Hooray MUD! I understand by playing a combo deck that people will have hate, I just get frustrated easily from that top deck. Also my meta is a tad hostile towards combo. A lot of Chalice decks running around. I honestly probably should not be playing the deck I am playing in this meta, but I guess you learn from your losses right?
Edit: To make up for my Failures a fellow Sourcer did get the same MUD player to scoop to a Deus of Calamity. That did make up a bit for the fact that I got anally probed.
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Koby
I <3 MTGO, the lack of Force of Will makes it so damn easy to win with TES.
Running count: 8-0
Faced: Junk, Manaless Dredge, Jund, Jund, Belcher, Elves, budget Reanimator (Foil in place of FoW), and Maverick
If you'd like help on setting up a stream, let me know. I would like to watch some TES action.
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Megadeus
I got ROFL stomped by MUD tonight. I know what he is on. I durress him T1 and see a bunch of nothing and take a Thran Dynamo. He then casually draws and Goes, Chalice for 1. Pass. Eventually I hull breach it and then he goes, Chalice for one. I proceed to scoop em up a few turn later after I make 8 Goblins and he Plays All is Dust.
G2 I Mull to 6 and keep a slower, but playable hand. He then goes Chalice for 0. T2 Plays a Lodestone Golem. I scoop. I shouldve known to play the artifact mana. I just didnt. I tilted a bit after G1 of him ripping like a champ.
Round 2 I played against Burn. I again knew what he was on but didnt keep a fast hand. He had me down to 4 by T3 thanks to my own City of Brass and a probe.
G2 he has Mind Break Trap against my Mull to 6 and I have Ill Gotten Gains in my hand so it is essentially dead... Ugh.
I dropped after that. So disappointed. I knew the first guy and was thinking, man I do not want to play MUD. Then Hooray MUD! I understand by playing a combo deck that people will have hate, I just get frustrated easily from that top deck. Also my meta is a tad hostile towards combo. A lot of Chalice decks running around. I honestly probably should not be playing the deck I am playing in this meta, but I guess you learn from your losses right?
Edit: To make up for my Failures a fellow Sourcer did get the same MUD player to scoop to a Deus of Calamity. That did make up a bit for the fact that I got anally probed.
Just don't forget, TES topdecks like a champ and soon enough it'll be your turn to send your opponent tilting when you win by starting the turn with no cards in hand ;) Bad matchups are bad matchups. Just don't be afraid to mulligan to quicker hands in those matchups, it really means the difference, at least in my experience.
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initial goldfishing report: making 10 goblins seems easy. next task: get myself hellbent when i open a non-LED, IT hand.
this deck is a blast! i'm kicking myself for not trying it earlier.
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Id say go try to Tendrils for 20 without AdNauseum. Now that is tough.
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Originally Posted by
Koby
I <3 MTGO, the lack of Force of Will makes it so damn easy to win with TES.
Running count: 8-0
Faced: Junk, Manaless Dredge, Jund, Jund, Belcher, Elves, budget Reanimator (Foil in place of FoW), and Maverick
:eek:
Anyway, four Burning Wish is absolutely correct. Against Team America and other BG/x decks double wish hands are extremely valuable.
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Megadeus
Id say go try to Tendrils for 20 without AdNauseum. Now that is tough.
It isn't that hard anymore with probe in the deck. Now you can go for it more naturally, instead of having to It into more rituals exclusively.
Response to Chrome mox imprint, cast ad nausem is really sweet, got to do it at the GP.
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Know what's even cooler? Cracking LED's in response to Brainstorm/Ponder for Ad Nauseum
At that level, your opponents are just watching you beat them. Focus on their own game is out the window
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Tammit67
It isn't that hard anymore with probe in the deck. Now you can go for it more naturally, instead of having to It into more rituals exclusively.
Response to Chrome mox imprint, cast ad nausem is really sweet, got to do it at the GP.
Nothing more savage than Turn 1 Brainstorm into the 2nd LED and Gitaxian Probe with Ad Nauseam in hand, stack the deck with Ad Nauseam on top, Probe, in resp pop both LED, go off. Storm is fair.
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So many ways to fist your opponent. I love it.
So if you guys have a pretty solid hand you will go ahead and use your brainstorms main phase?