Yeah, thats right ops!
But you must have been very freaking lucky to have all the mana for that !(iam allways a bit sceptic about that because my AdN flips allways have been very bad)
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Yeah, thats right ops!
But you must have been very freaking lucky to have all the mana for that !(iam allways a bit sceptic about that because my AdN flips allways have been very bad)
This deck is so sick!Quote:
Originally Posted by evilchen
Yesterday I was playing against random opp on MWS and I was at 9, I think he had some kind of disruption because it took me quite some time to get to Ad Nauseam mana. So I start flipping, Land, Lotus Petal, Ad Nauseam(ouch), Dark Ritual, LED, here I needed a non-pain land to win, Lotus Petal.
Proceeded to play my whole hand and storm for 8 or 9 with Tendrills, just awesome going off at 9, flipping a Ad Nauseam and still winning.
You meani, you just said that because of my bad AdN flips :P!
Not to piss you, but once i managed to go off flipping with Ad Nauseam being at 2: lotus petal, ritual, led, petal. i was at something like 6 spells done, wit tendrilz in hand. petal petal ritual, tendrils. 10 spells. gg.Quote:
Originally Posted by alderon666
But yeah, usually as EvilChen, even me has very unlucky AN flips (something like 1)Igg, 2)An, 3)tendrils..lol)
Could someone explain the IGG loop to me? I don't seem to get it by myself.
Igg loop generally involves Lions eye diamond + Lions Eye diamond + infernal tutor. However, it can be LED + Dark Ritual + burning wish or infernal tutor if you had enough accel going into it.
So, open a hand of: city of brass, led, led, lotus petal, infernal, dark ritual,
land -> petal -> dark ritual -> LED -> LED -> infernal (crack leds) go find Ill gotten gains. Take back LED and LED and infernal. Replay all and go find Tendrills with infernal for the first turn win.
Play LED, LED, IT. On the stack sac both LED's for BBBBBB. Get an IGG with IT and cast it (floating 2) returning LED LED IT. Rinse, repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciberon
EDIT: Beat to the punch.
Right. Somewhat like I had in mind. But as it is refered on the thread, I assumed it as more repeatable. My mistake, obviously. Thanks a lot.
It's not infinite, but it generates enough storm to win with Tendrils, and without Ad Nauseam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciberon
It kind of can be if you have a bunch of mana you can go burning wish and retake the removed iggy or the iggy in your sideboard.
Burning Wish removes itself from the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by conboy31
Obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jak.
My statement clearly implies using burning wish for after you have used infernal to Ill-gotten gains to re-loop because Iggy also removes from the game.
But his statement implies that you still can't go infinite.Quote:
Originally Posted by conboy31
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Originally Posted by conboy31
I think only once in a blue moon do I draw a hand that amazing....and like never when it matters:frown:
perhaps you're testing on MWS. Don't believe it, it has theworst shuffling system ever, and you'll always open with shitty hands with a turn 8 win (if you'll ever win, btw). It's far better to build the deck irl and goldfish it irl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raindown
I solitaire the thing a couple times an evening, the only thing that seems to snag me is not mulling when I should have. I must admit the first time I picked up the deck I didn't have a clue what to do. Definitely, a learning curve to this puppy, or maybe it is just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piceli89
Hi,
I just wanted to know which deck would make the cut if you compared this deck to ANT.
Since I can see that TES has more outs against combohate and still can win you the game out of the dumbest situations it appears that ANT is the deck which is easier to play. Is this the very reason why ANT is in the DTB section or what advantages else does ANT has over TES?
I'm asking actually as an ANT player, because I compared the decks for myself and cant see any advantages of ANT over TES.
You're perhaps the only ANT player (good one, i hope) that , after having compared his deck to TES, says that TES is superior. Everyone playing the first ineviably sticks with it, and pretty much despises TES.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaD
You already named the advantages of this build. The only thing ANT has more than TES, in my opinion, is a manabase which doesn't suck and can support a going-for-the-long-times match, while TES just has to win in the first turns (maximum, 5 , i guess), or it's going to lose in the majority of the cases.
But I tried ANT by myself, and really got to think that this advantage is countered by the fact that it's more slow, can get into randomic colorscrew (f.e., when you need to ponder and your only land is scrubland), and fits itself into a more controllish and "step-by-step" approach, while with combo, i found that the earlier you go off, the less the opponent can organize himself into adequate defences.
Moreover, I heard people adfirming that the goldfish speed of these decks is equal, but really, this is plain a lie.
Why ANT is in the DTB and this deck is not? Probably, because after the birth of ANT, people moved to it for obscure reasons, tested it, saw that it didn't run "bad" (apparently) cards like city of brass or forbidden orchard, but "always-good" fetches 'n' duals instead, and moved towards it, forgetting TES.
Or because Brainstorm/top/ponder+fetch=good sinergy, but also in TES, despites this is weakened, you can still make brainstorm +ponder/infernal and obtain a good filtering effect.
This, though, doesn't mean that TES < ANT, and i hope that a player , when deciding to play storm combo, tries both to understand which fits its style, instead of hearing everybody claiming "ANT is a house, TES is no more playable".
Fortunately, there are people who don't give a fuck about these voices and carry on playing this deck, which should have its position in the metagame recognized (if more players ever decide to pick it up, so that it 'd have > %s to make top8 again).
Just one thing, against moon efects, what tes can do?
If my opp cast a magus or a blood moon, I will do.....
ty you all
well its slows you down because you cant mystical/infernal tutor..
but you can still b-wish for a solution/kill + you can make black mana via lotus petal / LED