i hope for a Delver of secrets ban :rolleyes:
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i hope for a Delver of secrets ban :rolleyes:
No changes, fortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
And no one was surprised in the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
I am not surprised, indeed. But I kinda hoped for a terminus ban. F that card [emoji3]Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Cheese
Time to move on..
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I'll get you next time Miracles!
I don't think that's the case though. In 2015 Omnitell was the best deck going for a while, and in 2014 there was a spell when U/R and U/R/W Delver decks were both putting up better numbers than Miracles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
I realise those were meta-states driven by broken cards. Nonetheless those printings and subsequent bans shook the format, as did the coming of Eldrazi Shops. I'd guess one of two reasons behind the lack of a ban:
- WotC wants to see a stable meta for more than six months before they condemn it.
- WotC does think Miracles is harming the format (enough to warrant a ban).
Point two is very interesting to me, because if we look online and/or at the smaller event, Miracles looks arguably oppressive. But if we look only at the ~12 two day major events since the last shake-up, Miracles looks to be reasonably contained. I'd have thought if anything WotC would be more concerned with MTGO, as the sell more Legacy staples in that medium.
It would be very interesting to know what WotC thinks of Miracles, how closely they are watching it, and to what extent they have considered a ban. Too bad they don't tell us much and what little they do tell us is not always honest or straight forward. :(
A Twist unban might have given Elves more game against Miracles without an unban. Ironic if their prisoner exchange policy means Twist ends up getting unbanned at the same time as a Terminus ban (and if this turns out to be too big a swing).Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ent-2016-07-18
No changes...
Green Day knew what they were talking about, wake me up when September ends. (Next B&R Announcement: September 26, 2016) :tongue:
Alright. Time to lock up the thread for a month or two until people start posting again
Unbelievable. Wizards *wants* the format to be boring?
No, they know it's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by MGB
For everyone wanting a ban on Miracles, please no! I love to crush them with my pet decks (DnT, Aggro Loam and Goblins). Cataclysm, Thalia (new Thalia too), Revoker, Teeg, Chalice, Slaughtergames, Ringleader, Matron,... all these cards are awesome against them. I am always happy when my opponent opens on fetch basic, cast Top. I once heard that Thomas Enevoldson liked to draw early in a tournament because he would face more Miracle players that way. And OMG, the look on their faces when you cast something as Cataclysm, Slaughtgames naming entreat or matron for ringleader after a Terminus... priceless!
And yet those decks are only barely ahead of Miracles, if at all.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian23
This ban list probably means Miracles will stay untouched in his current state, good to know I guess.
That's the issue, people brag about their supposedly "good" Miracles match ups and they're at about 50/50 at best. Even my heavily metagamed Waterfalls variant still needs significant hate cards in the SB for what should be a very positive match up. Miracles occupies a space where it can control the board, the stack, and kill with speed.
It's true that Miracles is the best deck in the format because its bad matchups aren't unwinnable and its unwinnable matchups (12-Post, MUD) are super fringe. But people also overrate its %s vs its good/fair matchups.
Not suprised, but disappointed. But then again, they took a whole fucking year to ban DTT for whatever unholy reason. :rolleyes:
Since it's impossible to truly hate out Miracles, I can see it's numbers only increasing over time to the point. Kinda diminishes my desire to play Legacy since playing Miracles 1 out of 5 matches is already way too many.
As for dominance, let's look at the DtB section since it's inception:
Numbers update: 10-31-2016
5/12: #5
6/12: #3
7/12: #4
8/12: #3
9/12: #1
10/12: #3
11/12: #2
12/12: #4
1/13: #11
2/13: #5
3/13: #5
4/13: #7
5/13: #6
6/13: #5
7/13: #13
8/13: #6
9/13: #3
10/13: #9
11/13: #10
12/13: #2
1/14: #10
2/14: #2
3/14: #2
4/14: #2
5/14: #1
6/14: #1
7/14: #10 (low data point, see DtB post)
8/14: #1
9/14: #1
10/14: #2 (beginning of the Delve era)
11/14: #2
12/14: #2
1/15: #3
2/15: #1 (end of TC era)
3/15: #1
4/15: #1
5/15: #1
6/15: #3
7/15: #1
8/15: #2
9/15: #1
10/15: #1 (end of DTT era)
11/15: #1
12/15: #1
1/16: #1
2/16: #1
3/16: #2 (very close second after Eldrazi)
4/16: #1
5/16: #1
6/16: #1
7/16: #1
8/16: #1
9/16: #1
10/16: #1
11/16: #1
12/16: #1
1/17: #1
2/17: #1
I'm just sucking it up and making Miracles my primary deck now. I've dabbled with it since Dig was banned, and I've recently gotten sick of giving up the deck's ridiculously high number of free wins and obscene consistency. All that was stopping me from going all in was concern that something was going to get banned, and that's clearly not going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Calm down, guys.
If you want to beat Miracles, play 3-4 Tendrils of Agony.
No surprise-February 2014 was when GP Paris happened. Part of the reason Miracles has become so dominant is its popularity (a lot of people consider it the only "true control deck" available in Constructed Magic right now), and its popularity among skilled players in particular. When so many good players are on the deck, it follows that it rises to the top in a lot of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I just can't accept that something needs to be banned from Miracles just because its the best deck right now. Overall, the local and regional metas I play in look relatively diverse and healthy. We're no where near Caw-Blade territory in terms of overall meta penetration. Many people continue to play whatever they want regardless of what the best deck is, because this is Legacy. A ban would set a very unhealthy precedent that could turn this format into a basket case like Modern.