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I am feeling that RUG works partly because Nimble Mongoose is such a strong card and they still have 12 threats. You have 10 and everyone dies to all removal in format. That is pretty lame argument, but I feel like that you are in world of hurt at least against decay decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by mextremartini
@mextremartini
Ask yourself how this would be better than UR and RUG. In comparison to RUG you run an infinitely weaker creature base and run a 3-drop with 18 lands, 4 of which are Wastelands. In comparison to UR you have a much lower threat density and little reach. You lose much of the early pressure for being a completely inferior tempo deck than the usual suspects.
D_A? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
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Originally Posted by mextremartini
This list got to top16 in SCG Open in Dallas (11/10) last year.
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Grim Lavamancer
3 True-Name Nemesis
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
1 Forked Bolt
3 Gitaxian Probe
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Ponder
3 Spell Pierce
3 Stifle
It plays TNN instead of Clique since it's harder to kill and YPyro to get value out of your free spells.
I agree that it's basically RUG with worst creatures, the only (small) upside being that it's not vulnerable to graveyard hate, but if you want to try it it's a better starting point than 4 Lavamancers and Cliques IMO.
Thanks for sharing you'r insight regarding Vortex/Lava Spike
Can you guys also share some sb advice against D&T and Patriot ?
I'm going to play a list similar to Koby's for my next local legacy event. http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=65248
Maybe some minor SB tweeks for the meta.
If you are using the exact list, you could board something like this, depending on lists, opponents and playstyle:
Board out:
- both: FoW, some number of Probes
- DnT: PoP, otd even Goblin Guide is possible, if you need the space
- UWR Delver: Pierce
Board in:
- both: Smash to Smithereens, Lava Spike, Vortex (you have to be aware that DnT can clock you too)
- DnT:
- UWR Delver: Flusterstorm, Blast
What do you guys think about Spell Snare in this deck?
I agree on the Daze discussion and how it doesnt go that well with the "get to 3 mana" plan, but what about Spell Snare?
He does counter some really problematic spells like Counterbalance and Goyf.
Maybe a split of 2 Daze/2 Spell Snare or 2 Gitaxian Probe/2 Spell Snare might be worth testing
I don't think it does enough. The only spell it counters that we care about (and isn't countered by spell pierce) is Goyf. Which means if you have room for snare it should probably be more pierce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordofthestringz
What do y'all think of Thunderous Wrath?????
Stifle?
TROO NAME NEMESES?
Stifle should only be in versions without goblin guide. I think these versions have room for tnn- in fact I won a tournament Wednesday with a tempo list. I'll post when I'm at a computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MBSegal
If you want to play stifles this is the version:
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=11877&iddeck=86941
Problem is, splash hate from golgari charms (aimed at True-Name) hit this deck pretty badly as well so it may not be good choice in the current meta.
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Originally Posted by MBSegal
Read the thread. Make use of the search function.
This version is extremey bad against Miracles. I've already commented on it after Ovino.Quote:
Originally Posted by dsck
Just T8'd a local 41-man Legacy event the other day with this list. It also did well for me previously in local Legacy events, although I recently moved and no longer have access to those stores.
Creatures: (12)
4x Delver of Secrets
2x Grim Lavamancer
4x Young Pyromancer
2x True-Name Nemesis
Spells: (29)
4x Brainstorm
3x Ponder
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Force of Will
4x Daze
3x Spell Pierce
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Chain Lightning
Artifacts: (1)
1x Umezawa's Jitte
Land: (18)
1x Red Fetch
3x Blue Fetch
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Island
1x Mountain
3x Volcanic Island
4x Wasteland
Sideboard: (15)
2x Relic of Progenitus
2x Sulfuric Vortex
2x Submerge
2x Flusterstorm
2x Smash to Smithereens
2x Pyroblast
2x Blood Moon
1x Sulfur Elemental
Brief Overview: This is a pretty standard list. No Stifles, mainly cause the list I copied this from didn't play any, and after testing this list a bunch I never felt like I needed them. I'm thinking of cutting the True-Names because after a month of testing, they've never actually been cast, and have always just been pitched to Force of Will. I'm thinking of putting Snapcasters in their place because Snap can at least be an Ambush Viper sometimes, although it makes the deck extra-weak to Engineered Plague (TNN being a Merfolk is actually nontrivial).
The miser's Umezawa's Jitte is in the deck specifically because Jitte + Young Pyro and Jitte + TNN is occasionally GG on the spot. There's no funny business, no tricks, nothing. It's exactly what it looks like: a miser's 1-of that is in the deck to randomly steal games.
Sideboarding with this deck is not very difficult:
Against combo, you bring in whatever combo hate you think you need, and bring out the dead cards. What the dead cards are should be pretty obvious; usually you start by bringing out reach (Lavamancers and Bolts). You leave in TNN over these cards because TNN pitches to Force of Will, and with the amount of countermagic you have available postboard you don't need reach to close out the game.
Against 3-color midrange decks, you swap out your top end. TNN "almost" wins the game on the spot, whereas Blood Moon actually does win the game on the spot. You don't want to increase your curve, so you bring out 2 3-drops for 2 other 3-drops. In general these games can play out a bit weird, as your primary goal is to bait their countermagic and hold yours so that you can push a Blood Moon through. If you have the Blood Moon with Force backup in hand, don't be afraid to let even a Young Pyro get countered.
Sulfur Elemental is specifically targetted at Death and Taxes and should need no introduction. If your meta is low on D&T, feel free to swap out this slot.
Smash to Smithereens is specifically for Stoneforge Mystic decks. As with the above, if your meta is low on this sort of thing, swap it out.
Submerge is for Tarmogoyf/Tombstalker decks. As above.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with this list, and aside from the TNNs I'm not sure I want to change anything. I'm just leaving it here because it's been doing well for me and I wanted to share it in case others want a solid list.
Thinking about starting to build a UR delver variant, but I'd feel more comfortable with Dazes in the deck as opposed to Kory's all-in on burn plan. Is Daze any good in a build without Stifle/Wasteland? Or am I better off playing without PoP and adding in the mana denial to make Daze work? I'm assuming the answer to the second question is no.
Yes. no.
No love for Andrew Schneider?
Nice games. I guess the Smelt/Smash to Smithereens debate continues.
Congrats to Andrew Schneider!
You played very well!
The probes sure proved to be a good choice over the dazes.
Watched every game and interview. What are the 2 cards within the 75 you were thinking of changing?
Cheers
Congrats Andrew Schneider :)
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=67031
I have been playing with a similar list and having nice results on my lgs
Thanks guys.
No idea yet. I was just giving myself some room just in case hah.Quote:
Originally Posted by MGL
I would never fault anyone for playing smash. Spell pierce just scares me more than chalice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopo
Congratulations to you Andrew. You were the reason I picked up a deck few years ago (Though I strayed from path to UR Nivmagus and later to UR Dreadstill) and you still manage to impress me with the solid results.
I remember that we had Smash vs Smelt discussion here back then already. I think europeans love their MUD-lists so much more, than you want Smash here, but you wealthy americans like to play Spell Pierce + Jitte/Batterskull/Sword of XY, so Smelt seems pretty good there. :smile: