Also, Maverick didn't seem to do so well at the last SCG open. Only one list in the top 32, and not a single one in the top 16. Has Maverick been doing well at all lately?
Perhaps we'll see at the GP in Ghent.
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Also, Maverick didn't seem to do so well at the last SCG open. Only one list in the top 32, and not a single one in the top 16. Has Maverick been doing well at all lately?
Perhaps we'll see at the GP in Ghent.
Seems completely reasonable, but not really necessary.
Play 2 Aven Mindcensor, 1 Sword of Light and Shadow and Elspeth+Garruk somewhere in your 75, Sideboard Gutshots alongside Path to Exile is good and has a broader application.
I do like No Prog, but not really as a sideboard plan. Just exercise the mirror, know your role and you will eventually win more Mirrormatches than you lose.
Flavour of the month probably. It's still putting up good results, which are not always up on TC decks and the like.
If i have Progenitus drawn and in my hand. How can i get
him back into the library to catch him with Natur Order?
Fauna shaman, getting hit with a sword of feast + famine, discard at end of turnQuote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
Exactly, absolutely situational, which makes NO package an absolute garbage in this deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammit67
with the reemergence of merfolk, do you guys think its a good idea to play the PFM route?
Helps bring in REBs and PFs.
That`s exactly what I`m doing right now...and as a bonus the Elves and Goblins matchup gets better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar of Shadow
If you're scared of Merfolk, run 2 Scryb Ranger and maybe a Llawan or two in the board if you're running Fauna Shaman.
-Matt
Maverick, scared of Merfolk?
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Iknorite?Quote:
Originally Posted by dsck
Board into more removal. Don't let Submerge ruin your day. Sylvan Safekeeper FTW. (against any Blue tempo really)
hey guys
I went to LCL first time yesterday. There were 93 people. I played the same main, and changed into more graveyared hate post sideboard: 3 surgical, 2 tormods.
The results were:
R1: merfolks 2-0
R2: U-R delver 2-1
R3: Reanimator 2-1
R4: Canadian agro 1-2
R5: goblins 2-1
R6: blade 2-0
R7: GW 2-0 (Marc Duran)
Top8: Canadian 1-2
It was a bit sad losing 2 times against a good MU like RUG. I was lucky all day, but very unlucky in top8
Oh, I know you shouldn't be, but assuming one was, for some strange reason....
-Matt
Merfolk could still be rather dangerous.
If they go Lord Lord Lord Lord they'll outrun you every time.
But in general Maverick should have the edge because of:
- Better creatures
- Nasty equipment
- More and better removal
- Stable mana base
- No Islands, so no unblockable weenies
Additional removal from the board should be enough.
Just play basic lands, remove Lords, protect you big dudes and let Jitte finish it.
Oh and do mulligan away slow hands with Horizon Canopy as main mana source!
jitte is the only equip in ur 75, unless do u want play SFM shell?! i do not think.
if merfolk became tier 1 deck, can be a good idea, but not now!
Jitte, Scryb Ranger, KotR and most noteably Mother of Runes alongside a nonblue mana base give them headaches. Just bait with the irrelevant stuff and resolve the real threats. Can't remember a game i lost against Merfolk. Be careful anyways, Perish can be a huge blowout.
Just be aware of Spreading Seas. It's sideboard tech in Merfolk and takes care of the 'no Islands' situation. I assume most players are using Spreading Seas as a Standstill replacement on the draw or perhaps for some number of Daze/Spell Pierce/Force of Will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
I'm not an expert Merfolk player, but I see Spreading Seas popping up in some Merfolk sideboards. I don't think there is much worse than thinking we've got the ground locked up and then they drop a Spreading Seas and get in with a stealth attack.
The good news is, our deck has a lot of answers to Spreading Seas - Qasali Pridemage, Knight of the Reliquary (sacrifice an enchanted Plains or Forest or dig for a Wasteland), and Wasteland (destroy our own enchanted land).
You can't sacrifice an enchanted land to Knight since Spreading Seas turns them into Islands, not Islands in addition to their previous land types.Quote:
Originally Posted by Water_Wizard
The land doesn't stop being basic either, so if they hit your Forest or Plains with it, you can't even Wasteland it away.
I'd be pretty pleased if Merfolk players would side in Spreading seas against me instead of Mind Harness, Submerge, Perish and the like. :P
But anyway, I know it's out there, and we have tons of answers. I'm not worried. Especially since I play a lot of removal in my list. Now I'm back to the full playset of Paths, divided over main and side, and I love them sooo much. :)
I've been experimenting with a GWB Maverick variant for a while now. Here's my current list:
Creatures (17):
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Mother of Runes
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Spells (20):
1 Sylvan Library
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Lingering Souls
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Umezawa's Jitte
Lands (23):
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Marsh Flats
4 Wasteland
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Plains
1 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gavony Township
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Gaea's Cradle
Sideboard:
2 Darkblast
4 Faerie Macabre
1 Krosan Grip
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Batterskull
1 Ghastly Demise
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Ethersworn Canonist
I don't like Thalia in here (it slows down the deck far too much), so I thought Cabal Therapy was a great disruption effect. Lingering Souls is amazing with Therapy, Jitte, Edric, Gavony Township, and it's great for chump blocking while trying to stabilize. It's also good against Terminus because you can just leave some in the grave while pumping tokens with Township or building Jitte counters. The Township is hilarious. People laugh at it until they're staring at a bunch of flying 3/3s and some abnormally large birds.
Edric is just a much better sword in this deck. He's tutorable and doesn't have an equip cost. You can just GSZ him in, swing in with tokens, and draw 4 cards. It's pretty amazing. He comes in right when you run out of cards, too.
Therapy is better in a combo/control meta than aggro, so it could go to the SB for the 2 Stoneforge, 1 Batterskull, and 1 Darkblast. It's dead mid-lategame so it's not very good against decks like RUG and Affinity.
I ran a slightly different build in a tournament (with mystics and a SOFI main) and went 2-3-2, drawing against mirror-ish matchups when I had favored boards. I lost to 2 Show and Tell decks (Hive Mind, Dream Halls/Progenitus) and 1 RUG Delver deck.
Might as well throw in Taigas and Gaea's Might for good measure.
Your deck isn't aggro at this point. You have 17 creatures, and half of them are smaller than a Squire.
Yeah, I'd have to agree. You're adding Black for disruption, but it doesn't seem like your combo MU got any better. Thalia is about the best thing this deck can do against most of the field.
That's 17 creatures not counting 4 Lingering Souls. I've had quite a few matches where I just flashed souls and won off the little flying attackers, so it can definitely still go aggro.
I agree Thalia is very good, but Souls is a much better topdeck. The combo matchup didn't get any better but I wouldn't have drawn Thalia in those losses (-x Thalia, +4 Therapy, and I didn't draw therapy), and I still would have lost if I drew her.
If you are going to splash black in a creature/equipment deck wouldn't dark confidant have more use than any other black cards? After confidant I would say you can start adding discard and lingering souls.
Just a thought from a GWB junk player...
seriously, if you add black to maverick it is not maverick anymore, but junk/rock with many creatures. I don't like it since maverick turn 1 is noble hierarch, zenith for 0 or mother of runes than turn 2 thalia, ooze, knight....
it is not turn 1 discard, turn 2: mother/zenith for 1/ooze....
what do you cut for discard anyway?
The deck still has those lines of play except Thalia, because the deck doesn't run Thalia. That's OK, though. You don't have to like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorondor
lavafrogg:
I'd test Confidants but I don't own them. I'd find room for maybe 3 of them, cutting 1 Souls and maybe 1 Therapy, and something else. I can't control the top of the deck without the singleton Sylvan Library though, so it might be dangerous sometimes. What would you cut for them?
OMG. u splash black for lingering soul??? O.O and demise in SB when u can play 8 plowshare O.o
and cut thalia, that is the only amazing card VS canadian and combo deck.
I smell a troll....
But really, I don't see what Black is giving you that you don't have already (unless you're looking to just completely change your deck's game plan).
Hey guys,
Here is my current list for the GP in Ghent:
Maindeck
1x Plains
2x Forest
4x Savannah
4x Windswept Heath
1x Wooded Foothills
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Karakas
1x Maze of ith
1x Dryad Arbor
2x Cavern of Souls
4x Wasteland
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1x Birds of Paradise
3x Noble Hierarch
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
2x Scavenging Ooze
1x Fauna Shaman
2x Qasali Pridemage
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Mother of Runes
4x Knight of the Reliquary
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4x Swords to Plowshares
1x Path to Exile
4x Green Sun's Zenith
2x Sylvan Library
2x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Life from the Loam
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Sideboard
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Path to Exile
2x Choke
2x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Dauntless Escort (give it a try vs Perish?)
2x Ethersworn Canonist (not sure if this card should still be in the board)
1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1x Life from the Loam
3x Surgical Extraction (still not sure about this either)
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As you can see i dropped the Mystics completely, and run no other equipment than jitte. I also don't play Garruk or Elspeth, since you often are on the Teeg plan..
Could you give me some advice =)?
2 life from the loam (1 main and 1 side) are an odd choice with no Sylvan Safekeeper. You could probably cut the maindeck for the 4th Thalia to hedge against any unfair decks. Other than that, it looks like a solid choice. Just know which of your choices are flexible in case you need to modify it going in (like more Scavenging Ooze or Pridemage).
Good luck!
Yeah, if i cut Ethersworn Canonist (which was always a 1-off when i still played a tutor package) i'll probably play 1 extra Pridemage side, or go for 2x Krosan Grip.. You can win so many games with artifact/enchantment hate.. Especially vs random decks (I was close to 3 byes, but didn't score some..).
Loam is a cool 1-off if you can lay a wasteland lock or need your Maze of Ith back, and you can always re-use your Canopy ofc :p!
Grip might be a very good choice for the Grand Prix. It wouldn't hurt against the possibility of Humility or random equipment decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lans89
On the GWb Splash, I'd go this way:
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Bayou
3 Savannah
3 Wasteland
1 Maze of Ith
2 Karakas
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Gaea's Cradle
24
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Thoughtseize
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sylvan Library
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1 Dryad Arbor
1 Noble Hierarch
3 Birds of Paradise
4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Phyrexian Revoker
22
Sideboard
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Parallax Wave
1 Circle of Protection: Red
1 Choke
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Extirpate
3 Maelstrom Pulse
A very European list :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lans89
My first suggestion is to replace Birds with a 4th Hierarch. With Umezawa's Jitte as your only equipment, Birds swinging in requires it and Hierarch to actually do anything. I would suggest that you'll benefit from the additional exalted trigger moreso than the occasionally setup where you have Hierarch, Birds, and Jitte, or the occasional chumpblock.
Thrun is a personal preference, but I've cut him from my list. If he does what he wants him to do, power to you, but he was just too slow/lackluster for me.
As Koby said, run Safekeeper if you are running Loam. The card is incredibly powerful, and with Loam, allows you to aggressively blank removal. I've had nothing but positive experiences with him.
Are you finding the 5th instance of spot removal worth it? Doesn't seem bad, just wondering if there was a reason for it.
The 2nd Linvala isn't nessecary. I would cut the 2nd Teeg too and bump up the Ethersworn Canonists to 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lans89
Escort is probably not nessecary, but if you need to blank mass removal, it's fine.
Surgical's are good, but they depend on your knowledge of the metagame. If you are confidant in your ability to strip key cards are certain times, then go for it, but otherwise you might want to go with general "good stuff" cards like Oblivion Ring or Pithing Needle.
My sideboard currently is:
2x Oblivion Ring
2x Peacekeeper
1x Harmonic Sliver
3x Mindbreak Trap
2x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Surgical Extraction
1x Bojuka Bog
2x Tormod's Crypt
Peacekeeper has been a house in keeping Sneak and Show decks in check (and Sylvan Safekeeper has saved him many times). I've also found myself bringing him in against aggro decks like Goblins, allowing me to slow down and control the game until I can swing for lethal.
Sliver might be the cut though... probably moving back to Krosan Grip. It's ability to be pulled out with GSZ hasn't been that great. Idk, on the fence with this guy.
With elves! deck becoming more and more popular is maverick still a good choice?
I was wondering what answers we could offer for elves. Ethersworn canonist is getting worse against them as they tend to go more for an aggro plan. Moreover, they side in humilities, jittes and mortapods against us. In my experience it's a bane. Additional spot removal doesn't usually help and often we have not enough time to wait for Elesh Norn (and again, humility). So what do you think?
Holy Light?Quote:
Originally Posted by door
Is it truly so that StoPs, Jittes, Mothers, Paths and Gut Shots don't get you there?
Unfortunately. Besides, I can't afford to fill half of my board with spot removal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopo
Some extra wouldn't probably be bad, since merfolk is on the rise and I would expect builds without Tarmogoyf to be slightly worse against it than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by door
But this is thinking only. When I played this, merfolk was huge.
Maverick isn't the best against Elves. Linvala is really good and I imagine that Sublime Archangel would be pretty good. Jitte obviously gets there.
G1 versus elves you need to rush out a jitte and swords their engine pieces. If you run Linvala main deck, just rush one out through fauna shaman.
Game two, I bring in Peacekeeper and Ethersworn Canonist. Control the speed at which they can attack and cast, and build up a KotR for exacties'