[Deck] bUrg Tempo

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Originally Posted by Jaytron

Congrats on your results!

Would you mind sharing your boarding strategies vs these matchups?

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So here are my boarding strategies for the turney yesterday:

Vs Junk (BGW build with Lingering Souls instead of Tarmogoyf, he also played 2 Gurmag Angler)
Otd
-2 Pierce -2 FoW -2 Daze
+ 2 Thoughtseize +1 Ancient Grudge +1 Dismember +2 Golgari Charm

Vs Nic Fit (BGW build with 4 Siege Rhino & 3 Restoration Angel MD)
Otp
- 2 Bolt - 1 AD - 1 Daze -1 Wasteland
+ 2 Thoughtseize + 1 Dismember + 1 Golgari Charm +1 Edict

Vs Burn (Pyrostatic Pillar instead of Eidolon & 2 Sulfuric Vortex 4 Flame Rift MD)
Otd
- 3 Dark Confidant
+ 2 Invasive Surgery +1 Golgari Charm

Vs Infect (Ugw build with RIP & Swords to Plowshares in SB)
Otd
- 3 Dark Confidant -1 Daze
+ 2 Golgari Charm + 1 Pithing Needle + 1 Dismember

Vs Slivers (Aether Vial, Cavern, Mutavault build)
Otp/Otd
-3 Dark Confidant -3 Spell Pierce
+ 2 Thoughtseize + 1 Pithing Needle + 1 Ancient Grudge + 1 Dismember + 1 Edict

I´m not 100% sure about the boardings because this list is quite new for me but in general I leave in a couple of FoW´s even if I play against BGx decks just because we´re still a tempo deck and boarding out all of our counters will put us on the same level as them just with a bit of weaker cards, same for the Shardless BUG MU.

I found the sideboarding quite difficult with this list because in the most MU´s the MD was already solid, I think I have to work on a perfect plan for the most common MU´s near future.
I had many situations where I wanted to bring in more cards than I wanted to take out...

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Originally Posted by Manipulato

I had many situations where I wanted to bring in more cards than I wanted to take out...

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The same is actually true for me. Many ex opponents (mostly pilots of fair decks) wondered how many cards I brought in postboard against them, as I played RUG Delver yet. In my opinion the choices weren't totally absurd. And most of the time they understood them. Ok, I see that a Rough // Tumble against Shardless BUG was more a thinking of Magic Wonderland to hit Shardless and Shaman 2 for 1. I guess this problem is more my lack of experience in Legacy and therefore against all the therein associated decks. A local player gave me the advice, that the chosen cards postboard have to improve the matchups clearly and shouldn't be just a bizarre "win more". Sounds easy for experienced players, but for a beginner like me it's a bit more difficult at first sight. I'm curious about next Friday, when piloting my first BURG list at our locals. I guess similar problems will show up again, as I want my sideboard (perhaps also mainboard ^^) to show up a wider variety of useful cards. I'll see :)

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Originally Posted by Manipulato

So here are my boarding strategies for the turney yesterday:

Vs Junk (BGW build with Lingering Souls instead of Tarmogoyf, he also played 2 Gurmag Angler)
Otd
-2 Pierce -2 FoW -2 Daze
+ 2 Thoughtseize +1 Ancient Grudge +1 Dismember +2 Golgari Charm

Vs Nic Fit (BGW build with 4 Siege Rhino & 3 Restoration Angel MD)
Otp
- 2 Bolt - 1 AD - 1 Daze -1 Wasteland
+ 2 Thoughtseize + 1 Dismember + 1 Golgari Charm +1 Edict

Vs Burn (Pyrostatic Pillar instead of Eidolon & 2 Sulfuric Vortex 4 Flame Rift MD)
Otd
- 3 Dark Confidant
+ 2 Invasive Surgery +1 Golgari Charm

Vs Infect (Ugw build with RIP & Swords to Plowshares in SB)
Otd
- 3 Dark Confidant -1 Daze
+ 2 Golgari Charm + 1 Pithing Needle + 1 Dismember

Vs Slivers (Aether Vial, Cavern, Mutavault build)
Otp/Otd
-3 Dark Confidant -3 Spell Pierce
+ 2 Thoughtseize + 1 Pithing Needle + 1 Ancient Grudge + 1 Dismember + 1 Edict

I´m not 100% sure about the boardings because this list is quite new for me but in general I leave in a couple of FoW´s even if I play against BGx decks just because we´re still a tempo deck and boarding out all of our counters will put us on the same level as them just with a bit of weaker cards, same for the Shardless BUG MU.

I found the sideboarding quite difficult with this list because in the most MU´s the MD was already solid, I think I have to work on a perfect plan for the most common MU´s near future.
I had many situations where I wanted to bring in more cards than I wanted to take out...

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Thanks for sharing!

Yeah, I'm working on a big list of SB strats myself for Grixis Delver, haha.

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Originally Posted by Jaytron

Thanks for sharing!

Yeah, I'm working on a big list of SB strats myself for Grixis Delver, haha.

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Forget Grixis, come to the greedy side of Delver :wink:

Hey, y'all, DeathBlade and Reanimator player here who wants to fit a tempo deck into his repertoire. After poking around this thread for a bit, I wanted to run a list by you guys that doesn't run Tarmogoyfs because, well, I don't own any.


4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
1 Dark Confidant
2 True-Name Nemesis
2 Gurmag Angler

1 Sylvan Library

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder

4 Lightning Bolt
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Dismember

2 Thoughtseize
2 Spell Pierce
4 Daze
4 Force of Will

4 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
2 Tropical Island
4 Wasteland

// sideboard //

1 Flusterstorm
1 Duress
2 Pyroblast
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Null Rod
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Charm
1 Life from the Loam
1 Fire Covenant
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Submerge


Without Goyfs, I figure I need more disruption to buy myself time to establish a clock. Hence the maindeck Thoughtseizes against combo and the seventh removal spell (Dismember) against creature decks. Dark Confidant and Sylvan Library are veritable "must answers" at the :2:-drop slot in Goyf's absence. Maybe Library should become a second Bob because it attacks, but I'm not sure. Library is so good.

Also, should I be playing Stifle with no Goyfs? Maybe messing up my opponent's mana is correct in lieu of tapping out for a T2 beatstick. That would bridge the gap to my top-end threats. I've never loved Stifle, but maybe it's right with my creature base.

I'm running 19 lands because of two True-Name Nemesis and sideboard Fire Covenant and Vendilion Clique. Maybe the third Underground Sea should be a ninth fetch to fuel Gurmag Angler instead.

24 blue cards might be on the lower side for a Delver deck, especially with a quarter of them being threats, but if BUG Delver can get away with 20ish, I think I can swing 24. Also, 27 spells to flip Delver seems fine, too, right?

The sideboard is probably complete garbage because I've never sleeved up this deck and don't know its strengths and weaknesses yet. I'm sure y'all will tell me.

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!

TBH if your problem is "no goyfs" you should be over in the Grixis thread.

No goyf or Young P is pretty horrible. You will put little to no pressure on your opponent, so your tempo plays won't really do much.

The answer to the "i have no goyfs" problem is pretty much "run young peezy"

Are you seriously advocating adding more Bobs to a deck that runs FoW AND zombie fish? lolwut.

As Jaytron said, if you don't have goyfs, you want to be playing grixis delver. The deck you are suggesting has anti synergy and is really unfocused. TNN, Library, and TS are not tempo cards.

@ the monster: Hans Jakob Goddik established a 4c no goyf list with 3 TNN 2 Snapcaster Mage 3 DTT & 3 Thoughtseize and won big tournaments with it (Danish Legacy Master for example) & I played this list too back at GP Lille last year and went Top 4 in the last chance trial & 6:3 in the mainevent but this were the DTT era with a completley different meta than now. Such a version played more like 4c midrange than 4c Delver because if you missed the delver opening you were just super slow & grindy.

After GP Lille I switched to the Goyf version and were more happy with it just because your clock & manacurve is much faster/smoother. This is just very important against all sorts of combo and even against Elves or Burn etc...

If you have no Goyfs I would get those or just play Grixis Delver, it's a really good deck too.
Delver archetypes just need good 2 drop beaters like Goyf or YP otherwise you are just to slow and your own dazes timewalks you...That's also the reason why I switched my 2 TNN for 2 Dark Confidant recently, Daze becomes just way worse with 3 drops.

And if you're deciding to play Dark Confidant MD you have to cut those Anglers because how said earlier this is just super risky even if the card says "Greatness at ANY cost" :wink:

Hey BURG-guys,

just came home from the already mentioned locals. I'm more than satisfied that I brought in the B splash from RUG to BURG. Never want to change this back. We were 12 people with 4 round swiss. My result was 3:1 and I ended up at 3rd place. Took home a Thoughtseize from Theros. I reached wins against Tin Fins (2:1), Burn (2:0) and GW Lands (2:0) and one loss against Jund (1:2). Other decks I registrated in the room were e.g. D&T, 12 Post, BG NicFit, Merfolk and Mono B Control. Also I had a very nice dice roll luck today - won them all :D

Here is the list I played:

Maindeck:

1 Gurmag Angler
1 True-Name Nemesis
3 Tarmogoyf
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets

2 Flooded Strand
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Wasteland

1 Forked Bolt
1 Sylvan Library
1 Thoughtseize
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Spell Pierce
2 Stifle
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Ponder

Sideboard:

1 Ancient Grudge
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Flusterstorm
1 Go for the Throat
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Invasive Surgery
1 Life from the Loam
1 Null Rod
1 Pithing Needle
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Winter Orb
2 Golgari Charm

Round 1 - Tin Fins (2:1)

Game 1 OTP - The Deck does what it has to do. A resolved Delver and Shaman do the job quickly, while he got stock on multiple Gitaxian Probes without seeing a sort of interaction beside Cabal Therapy. Finally I disrupt his
only attempt to bring a Griselbrand onto the battlefield.

Game 2 OTD - After I managed to counter again his early attempts to bring a Griselbrand onto the battlefield, I made a huge misplay by not immediately Thoughtseizing him with only 1 card left in hand, which I guessed was crap. No it wasn't, it was another Shallow Grave - FUCK. He gets him onto the battlefield and to my surprise he activates his draw ability two times, attacks and then sacrifices him for flashbacking Cabal Therapy. The Thoughtseize in my hand is now long dead and I lose to Emrakul.

Boarding was:
+1 Diabolic Edict / +1 Flusterstorm / +1 Go for the Throat / +1 Grafigger's Cage / +1 Invasive Surgery / +1 Surgical Extraction / +1 Pithing Needle / -1 Forked Bolt / -2 Abrupt Decay / -4 Lightning Bolt

Game 3 OTP - Turn 1 Grafdigger's Cage, Counterspells and an unanswered Goyf do the job for me quickly.
My Boarding kept unchanged.

Round 2 - Burn (2:0)

Game 1 OTP - First I get rid of his Goblin Guides and Monastery Swift Spears. A well played Goyf (4/5) finally saves me the game. In my eyes he made the mistake that he threw everything in my face instead of trying to get rid of the monster. But the game was thight anyway. 2 FoWs save my life from getting Price of Progressed.

Game 2 OTD - Delver after Delver after True-Name Nemesis kill him slow but for sure. This game was also tight.
To my luck the Wastelands which I didn't boarded out now save my life from getting Price of Progressed.

Boarding was:
+1 Flusterstorm / +1 Invasive Surgery / +1 Diabolic Edict / +1 Go for the Throat / -4 Daze

Round 3 - Jund (1:2) - My opponent finally reached the 1st place

Game 1 OTP - Goyfs, Shamans and TNN do the job while I hinder him from getting anything done.

Game 2 OTD - In this game I made the next huge mistake of Decaying his Liliana of the Veil instead of his recently resolved Sylvan Library. Therewith he recovers quickly and makes real, real preasure with additionally Dark Confidants and Punishing Fire activations. I can't win the race and lose.

Boarding was:
+1 Diabolic Edict / +1 Go for the Throat / +1 Life from the Loam / +1 Surgical Extraction / +1 Vendilion Clique / +1 Pithing Needle / -4 Daze / -2 Force of Will

Game 3 OTP - I had him at 5 life, but he slowly recovers with multiple Punishing Fire activations and me only drawing Delvers and Shamans. I finally die to a 5/6 Tarmogoyf.

Altough I was OTP I didn't change the Boarding, because I thought 2 FoWs however would be better than only 2 Dazes.

Round 4 - GW Lands (2:0)

Strange build. Never saw that sort of color combination with Dark Depths and Thespian's Stage Combo next to Constant Mists and Wrath of God.

Game 1 - OTP - After Force of Willing an early Crop Rotation, which was game WIN retrospectively my Deathrite Shaman slowly brings him to death, while I play further Wastelands and counters correctly. Exploration got immediately struck by an Abrupt Decay. He never reaches the Dark Depths Combo and his Wrath of Gods do not resolve. Never drew any other creature ^^.

Game 2 - OTD - All in all I drew the nuts. First I take the risk and play a Sylvan Library with tapping me out altough I held a Spell Pierce in hand for a possible Crop Rotation. But I do it and this decision wins me the game. Because of my early enchantment I managed to draw an Abrupt Decay for his Exploration followed by a Null Rod for his Divining Top followed by a Pithing Needle for his multiple Maze of Iths. Goyf and Delver hit hard while he sits there and can't do anything.

Boarding was:
+1 Diabolic Edict / +1 Invasive Surgery / +1 Life from the Loam / +1 Null Rod / +1 Pithing Needle / +1 Surgical Extraction / +1 Golgari Charm / +1 Vendilion Clique / -3 Daze / -1 Forked Bolt / -4 Lighting Bolt

After the match I asked him why he doesn't play Life from the Loam, because I never saw it, but always expected it and therefore played more confidently. He said he plays them of course as a 4-off but never drew them although he constantly digged through his library with his Divining Tops all day, all night long. Well, this sounds like real magic.

Overall I was quite happy with my configuration. The single Thoughtseize - if played correctly got me a lot ahead in most situations - also True-Name Nemesis. Forked Bolt as Bolt #5 and 2 Spell Pierce were also ok. I primarily played the 2 Stifles for saving my duals from getting wasted, which helped me a lot in the Lands matchup. Unfortunately I never drew the Gurmag Angler which I wanted to test as a 1-off. And yeah, personally I'm a huge fan of Sylvan Library (pre- and postboard). SB-cards I drew but could never really use unfortunately were Invasive Surgery and Go for the Throat. Cards I never boarded in today were Ancient Grudge, REB and the 2nd Golgari Charm. Matchups like D&T or Merfolk would have cried for them.

# haloquaero: Gratz to the good finish. TinFins & burn are good MU's in my experience & Jund can be tough but winnable. I'm not a huge fan of Angler in a Shaman/Goyf build and would replace him with the 4th Goyf or a 2nd TNN.

A 3rd AD in the SB would also be good just because Miracles is so much played, 2 can be to low here...It's also just a swiss knife and the reason for me to play this over Grixis. Never dead exept for combo.

A 19th land would also be more solid just because the manacurve is a bit higher than in RUG or Grixis and 4c means that oposing Wastelands hurts us more than a 3 color Delver deck.

Your sideboarding against burn is wrong in my opinion. Boarding out all 4 dazes in such a fast MU shows the winner within the first 4 turns and Daze shines here! It's also not needed to bring in the 8th + 9th removal spell just for his 10-12 creatures. Sylvan & TS have to go after boarding. I'm also not a fan of boarding them out completley against Jund, bolt on shaman & Wasteland on a dual keep daze long enough strong to keep minimum 2 copies in.

But all in all a reasonable list.

Keep up burg'in

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Originally Posted by Manipulato

# haloquaero: Gratz to the good finish. TinFins & burn are good MU's in my experience & Jund can be tough but winnable. I'm not a huge fan of Angler in a Shaman/Goyf build and would replace him with the 4th Goyf or a 2nd TNN.

A 3rd AD in the SB would also be good just because Miracles is so much played, 2 can be to low here...It's also just a swiss knife and the reason for me to play this over Grixis. Never dead exept for combo.

A 19th land would also be more solid just because the manacurve is a bit higher than in RUG or Grixis and 4c means that oposing Wastelands hurts us more than a 3 color Delver deck.

Your sideboarding against burn is wrong in my opinion. Boarding out all 4 dazes in such a fast MU shows the winner within the first 4 turns and Daze shines here! It's also not needed to bring in the 8th + 9th removal spell just for his 10-12 creatures. Sylvan & TS have to go after boarding. I'm also not a fan of boarding them out completley against Jund, bolt on shaman & Wasteland on a dual keep daze long enough strong to keep minimum 2 copies in.

But all in all a reasonable list.
Keep up burg'in

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Thanks for your lines.

I agree, with RUG Delver before Reanimator and Burn were already good matchups for me.

Regarding the Zombie Fish I know that at first sight he acts against Shaman and Goyf. But his pros are being Decayproof (Hello Jund / Shardless BUG) and he potentially can be cast off with 1 mana. Further the opponent also has his graveyard and ours can still be refilled. I say this because I know two BURG pilots that drive their Gurmag lists with regular success. But in the utter end you have to decide between Goyf and Zombie Fish. Until now my own gut feeling votes more for the Goyf and in terms of mid to late game action plus pinging spot removal for the unblockable TNN (Hello D&T). Therefore I wanted to test the Gurmag Angler in practice.

I'm already planning to integrate a 3rd Decay and a 3rd Spell Pierce into my Main to improve the fair and combo MUs G1. Same goes for a 9th or even 10th fetch land to smooth things up a bit. Of courcce this decision leaves less room for any 1-offs like Forked Bolt or Thoughtseize and the Stifles, that also can often be sweet. I'll see.

I also understand your sideboarding thoughts. In the Burn matchup I had the weird advisement to bring in the hard removal for his creatures only to save my bolts for his face. I totally agree that a Sylvan Library and a Thoughtseize have to go in this MU, but yesterday I didn't recognize this. I also see the argument for keeping some Dazes in for the Jund MU. For the next time I'll keep your advices in mind.

There is no problem with running something like 3 Goyfs 2 Gurmags, you can give it a try ;)

I have still the problem if i need shroud creatures. Ive lost too many games to Sword, Sword, Snapcaster Sword recently. But Mungos sucks so hard against Thoghtknot Seer.
The same goes for Stifle. In some MatchUps they are awesome and in the others they suck :(

Hey guys,

I will play the MKM Series in Frankfurt this Weekend and GP Prague next month and am not still 100% sold on my exact list, would like to hear some opinions...

This is my current list which is very near the same like on my last turney which I ended 4:1...

15 Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Dark Confidant

26 Spells
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
3 Spell Pierce

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder

4 Lightning Bolt
3 Abrupt Decay

19 Lands
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland

Sideboard: 15
2 Thoughtseize
2 Pyroblast
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Painful Truths
2 Golgari Charm
1 Dismember
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Pithing Needle

I´m not sure if I should play
2 TNN
2 Thoughtseize
1 Dismember

instead of

3 Dark Confidant
1 AD
1 Spell Pierce

I played the TNN´s the turney before and they were very good but I dont like the antisynergy with Daze which slows him down in matter of casting speed and Bobi is also solid against combo in general. Both of them are solid against Miralces & Shardless but which one do you guys think is better in those MU´s? TNN just won me super many games against DnT for example which was very tough before him...

I recognized that I boarded in the TS alot in my last 2-3 turneys so I thought about a 2/2 splitt between TS & Pierce MD. It would also up the FoW & Delver count +1.
1 Dismember instead of the 3rd AD MD would alow me to improve the Eldrazi MU a bit because then I´m able to handle TNS/Smasher and it would also be a out against Gurmag Angler in Grixis which is a very common deck. The downside would be that I´m more soft to Countertop from the Miracles Player and it´s also way less flexible in MU´s like DnT which is also quite common here in germany.

This change would improve the blue count for FoW, the Delver flip count, the MU against DnT (because of TNN) and I get 2 new Slots in my SB which I would fill with a Life from the Loam and a 3rd TS maybe.

How do you guys think about it?
I want to be prepared for Miracles, Shardless, Eldrazi, Grixis Delver, Infect, DnT & combo in general

@Manipulato: hi, I'm quite interested in the way you developed the deck, and i'd ask you what do you think about this md changes:

-1 dark confidant
+1 True-Name Nemesis

-1 Lightning Bolt
+1 Dismember

-1 spell pierce
+1 sylvan library

This way you could still afford:
- 4 cc1 removal spells (3 bolt+1 dismember)

- 4 heavy removal spells (3 decay+1 dismember)

- 3 card advantage enablers (2 confidant+1 library )

-1 more creature for grindy matchups

-the blue count is the same as in your list

About maindecking thoughtseize, since you already have confidant and other painful spells like dismember MD , i'd like to run it in the SB for dedicated mus.
Let me know what do you think about it.
My 2 cents

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@Manipulato: hi, I'm quite interested in the way you developed the deck, and i'd ask you what do you think about this md changes:

-1 dark confidant
+1 True-Name Nemesis

-1 Lightning Bolt
+1 Dismember

-1 spell pierce
+1 sylvan library

This way you could still afford:
- 4 cc1 removal spells (3 bolt+1 dismember)

- 4 heavy removal spells (3 decay+1 dismember)

- 3 card advantage enablers (2 confidant+1 library )

-1 more creature for grindy matchups

-the blue count is the same as in your list

About maindecking thoughtseize, since you already have confidant and other painful spells like dismember MD , i'd like to run it in the SB for dedicated mus.
Let me know what do you think about it.
My 2 cents

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Thx for your input.
The changes would be ok exept for the cut of the 4th Lightning Bolt, there are many MU'S where Dismember is just dead & Lightning Bolt does something (killing Jace for example) even if it's just 3 damage in your face. Bolt also close out games...
I think I will move the 3rd AD to the SB for the 1off Dismember and 1 TNN for the 3rd Bobi.
I would probably cut the 3rd Pierce for the 1 Thoughtseize just because the Delver count stays the same and I dont want to end like Team America with 23 flip cards.
This would also free up one SB slot.

Heyho,

I'm also going to show up at the MKM series in Frankfurt on sunday :smile: @Manipulato: Perhaps we should build up a BURG corner :wink: ... Regarding the 2 Painful Truths in your Sideboard, don't you think with the two Dark Confidants and one Sylvan Library the Card Advantage Aspect isn't already enough, or is it significantly relevant in Match Ups like Miracles / Shardless / etc.?

Here is my latest list for the event:

19 Lands
3 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Scalding Tarn
4 Wasteland
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
2 Volcanic Island

13 Creatures
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
1 True-Name Nemesis

28 Spells
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Spell Pierce
1 Thoughtseize
1 Sylvan Library
2 Stifle

Sideboard
2 Golgari Charm
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Terminate
1 Flusterstorm
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Null Rod
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Life from the Loam
1 Grafdigger's Cage

Quite not sure about the 2 Stifles MD yet. As "blablub" already mentioned, sometimes they're huge, sometimes they're meeh... But they can have so many useful targets... Would someone request a change this way?

All in all I'm curious about to see how the deck feeling will change by adding any Dark Confidants / Snapcaster Mages / Grim Lavamancers (which all I currently don't own) in the future for me.

BURG'in goes on :cool:

# Haloquaero: The thing is that I have so many stuff to board out against Miracles for example that I need enough good cards to bring in, that's one reason for 2 Truths in the SB.
The 2nd reason is that most of the value engine is creatures based (Dark Confidant) and a Terminus or Sword into SCM for example would not just shut down my offensive it would also shut down my long game plan. I also really want to draw 1-2 value engines per game in such MU's. They're also great in BGx MU's in general (Jund, Junk, NicFit).

I really dont like Stifle as a 2off, in my opinion you should run 3-4 or none. Just my 2 cents.

Maybe we can talk from face to face in Frankfurt :smile:
2 bUrg'ers against the world :wink:

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I really dont like Stifle as a 2off, in my opinion you should run 3-4 or none. Just my 2 cents.

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OK then, I'll give the Stifleless build a try - with playing 4c card decisions are not getting easier ^^

Regarding the sunday in Frankfurt we may arrange a meeting on site with PMs.

Cya!

fell in love with Manipulato latest decklist (the one on tc decks)

I personally love the deck, but when I showed it to a friend he said:
Why should I play this with goyf, rathern than grixis with angler?

I was like, well, because it's cooler! and I can cast goyf anytime, but otherwise I was a bit unpreparred.

So, what really make the deck worthy over grixis?
I've all the cards, so honestly I made some game with the list lately, and I found Confidant a real powerhouse. Drawing so many cards from t2 in a delver deck really change things.

I would probably too cut one, but I'm still unsure, having three means we can actually cast it "early" rathen than having to find it later on.
To cut one confidant, we should put something that really gives advantage, I could think to singleton angler or nemesis, but I don't seem to like either, maybe a vendilion clique?

Another thing I personally hate is running only 3 decay, but that's me and my nature of jund player, also, here in italy there are way too many miracles... or eldrazi...

Have you ever considered a singleton Kolaghan's command? seems nice on paper, cutting chalice, batterskull, and acting as a bolt like spell... plus it can discard on istant or recoup a goyf/bob/delver:
One I've seen one of my local players playing one instead of a bolt, looks nice on paper (on paper only though, for sure it's a powerful card but I wonder how it fares in real, may give it a go)

What about cutting the invasive surgery on side?
Invasive surgery was also a reason to play goyf over angler in my book, goyfs enable delirium, angler does not,
I thought Invasive Surgery would be nice and strong vs both loam and miracles, two things than can wreak this deck apart, was I wrong?


I also wanted to try putting only one Golgari charm in the board for a Enginereed plague, but blood moon is a worse treath probably than elves or (again) monastery mentor (miracle')

Hey all,
I'm just back from the mkm series in Frankfurt and it was a great weekend!

I played the big Legacy trial on Saturday with 126 people showing off and went undefeated in 2nd place with 6:0:1 :smile:
We decided to draw in the finals of the swiss to be safe in 1st & 2nd place to get the 2 byes. I won 2 foil Lilianas a Playmat & 2 byes for the mainevent on Sunday.

You can see my decklist from Saturday here:

http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/201...trial-winners/

My MU's were:

BUG Infect: Won 2:0

Grixis Reanimator: Won 2:1

MUD: Won 2:0

Shardless BUG: Won 2:1

Eldrazi: Won 2:1

Miracles: Won 2:1

Jund: Draw



Sadly the Sunday mainevent was horrible and I droped at 2:3 because I was really upset & tired.

My MU's were:

Round 1: Bye

Round 2: Bye

Round 3: Chancelor super fast Reanimator (Lost 1:2 with 2 FoW's + 1 Pierce in hand because of a Otp T1 Cancelor Reanimate start :rolleyes:)

Round 4: Miracles (Lost 1:2 again after he Blood Mooned me away on T4 with Pyroblast backup for a counter on my side (Which I not had anyways).

Round 5: TES Lost 1:2 after he killed me 2 times 1st turn me without FoW & playing around my Daze because of perfect mana.

I defenetly should have mulled more aggressiv against my TES opponent to find the FoW, I think it's was a mistake.
I also should have played more tight against Miracles and I probably even would have won game 3. I was just too greedy in those games.

I changed the SB a bit before the Mainevent:
- 1 Life from the Loam
- 1 Grim Lavamancer

+ 1 Sylvan Library
+ 1 True-Name Nemesis

I made these changes because I wanted to have a better MU's against Miracles & Shardless with more strong cards. I never boarded the Loam & just 1-2 times the Lavamancer...

I thought about 2 Baleful Strix in the SB instead of the Library & TNN but I think I'm already favoured against Eldrazi & Delver Mirrors so I decided to go with this change.

You can check Petr Sochurek's 9th place list in the mainevent here, he went 8:2:
http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/201...petr-sochurek/

Greetings