I think it won't work as a solution to True Name Nemesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
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I think it won't work as a solution to True Name Nemesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Tariff, Wing Shards, Circle of Protection Blue, and Runed Halo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
If it 's in Merfolk yeah, too much lors around :(Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofthepit
However any other build will probably play it along a SFM package and will probably fetch Jitte before anything else vs us.
In that case, it's relevant :)
To be noted that marrow shards is also an answer to Belcher decks or TES / ANT playing Empty the warrens, or even young pyromancer tokens...
That's why I thought about this card as a possible sideboard card that is relevant against more things than just TNN.
Wing shards is too expensive i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by klaus
Runed halo seems like the best answer but its still a non permanent answer.
Circle of protection blue Ok. seems legit. might come handy in some matchups and is an enchantement (That matters a lot in D&T).
Tariff, i don't like it :) you might have to sacrifice a creature yourself, and if there is a delver or another creature, it may not even work.
Thanks for the answers thought.
True name nemesis can't be damaged, so no, it's not relevantQuote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Ahah... my bad :p was focused on the not targetable part of protection from a player :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Luca Grease
You forget that it works wonders against fatty decks, such as Reanimator, SnT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Ooh. This means it can also be in the sideboard of a Junk Elves deck: Reanimator is one of its worst matchups and SnT is not a good one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by klaus
Pretty sure if Elves needed that type of effect, it would just play Diabolic Edict instead, especially since black is its secondary color.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendelSteven
A bit narrow, but Celestial Flare is an option against the new ProgeniFish. Also you elf scrubs should take the elf talk to the elf forum and leave these non-elf people alone!
Watching Eternal Weekend Stream right now, renowned Storm player Ari Lax piloting DnT! 4-0 in Round 5, and up a game against High Tide.
Now 5-0.
And he now advanced to 5-0. MonoW beats MonoU :D
Greetings
Shahar Shenhar goes to 8-1 in BoM and in good shape going to day 2.
Interesting adjustment with the deck, taking into account Nemesis.
For those who don't know what he is talking about:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrjumbo03
Swords of Fire and Ice Mainboard
and
Ratched Bomb Sideboard
Greetings
^Also Avenger back in the main and I think back up to 4 Flickerwisps (not sure), while Mangara is dropped.
Solution to Nemesis: "SoFI or just fly over them."
Ratchet bomb has been used by the Danish since a couple of tournaments back, but I don't really like it seeing as you are a permanent-based deck so you'll probably get hit bad too.
Interested to know if Unexpectedly Absent is being tried in the SB.
link to the BOM stream?
http://www.lotusnoir.info/Quote:
Originally Posted by Luca Grease
I had tried that, but it won't work for me :(Quote:
Originally Posted by fluuu
I was boarding Meekstone (with E Tutors) and Micah was playing Crackdown to beat Nemesis (1 mana versus not locking down Flickerwisp or dying to Ancient Grudge). I only played against the card twice on the day, and both times I ended up racing it. I can't imagine that Nemesis is easy to beat out of a Stoneforge Mystic deck, but unless it can pick up a weapon I don't think it's a huge deal to beat.
Before anything else, congratulations on winning! And going through the tournament like that (losing only 3 games I think), despite this your first time picking up the deck, is a testament to your skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by AriLax
Seeing as the top 8 lists aren't up yet. Can you post your list over here so we can nitpick, specially the sideboard? With the uptick in popularity of DnT this weekend (2 decks in the top4 of EW, Shahar Shenhar and Thomas Enevoldsen doing good in day1 of BoM), will you still be playing it in GP:DC? If yes, any possible changes if ever?
BOM news: DnT kicks out UWr Miracles and grabs a top8 slot ;)
Cataclysm VS 3 Angel tokens followed by a Flickrwisp in G3 gets there!
Yes but Yohan, the miracles player, could have just waited to have a force in hand and post pone the Entreat activation on last game. He loss all his angels to Cataclysm....
On friday he made also another mistake on the french legacy cup finals. He played a Terminus with a TNN/Goyf/wtv on the other side of the board with no counter backup, he was still on 18 or something life.
Miracles is a really hard to play deck and mistakes happen..
Miracles is such a hard deck to play for long stretches because of the number of things you need to do every turn, moreso when you're in round 15 (and Yohan, making it all the way to the finals in the French Legacy Open adds to the number of games he has played this weekend). The commentators even noted that Yohan missed his draw step after the Entreat with Top on his turn.
Also, looks like Shahar Shenhar also made it, so there are 2 players representing DnT in the top8 of BoM!
Add the 2 top4's (and a champion to boot) in Eternal Weekend, makes for a very successful weekend for DnT.
I reckon DnT won't be a good choice for the upcoming GP with all the exposure it just got.
Back to BoM, I'm hoping our 2 hopefuls can dodge the Elves player in the top 8, such a terrible matchup.
D&T is top8ing all big tournaments for a while now. Good thing I have it sleeved up!
I bet Finn is beaming right now.
The BoM decklist is up. Thomas and Shahar played the same 75, interesting changes.
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Karakas
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
10 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Mirran Crusader
2 Aven Mindcensor
3 Serra Avenger
4 Flickerwisp
4 Mother of Runes
4 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Ęther Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 2 Cataclysm
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Oblivion Ring
SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Wilt-Leaf Liege
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 1 Sunlance
sad to see Mangara go, but the extra fliers are probably a good idea right now, and I guess that the old wizard is a little too slow/susceptible to removal against most decks. The S&T matchup gets much worse without him and only 3 Karakas, though, as does Reanimator. Both decks are on the rise.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrjumbo03
Interested in hearing about SoFI, and whether it pulled its weight or not. Looks like Cataclysm is here to stay despite Thomas' words after GB Strasbourg, and I guess it's doubly needed against control now that Mangara is gone. Then again no Mindbreak Traps probably bit him in the ass against Storm in the quarterfinals.
Ratchet bomb still needs an explaination imo: it's easy to imagine applications but hard to believe it's worth the collateral damage on a regular basis, considering DnT is also a permanent based deck.
Finally, and this is obviously up for debate, I'd rather swap the miser Relic for a Grafdigger's Cage, since it provides even quicker utility against Reanimator/Tin Fins/Dredge, and is a killer against Elves, while only really being worse against RUG/Jund/BUG, where we already have plenty of good sideboard options and not a lot of stuff to take out, aside from being much better match-ups anyway. Throw a couple of E-tutors in there (maybe shaving an O-ring and a Ratchet), and our board suddenly looks a whole lot stronger against unfair decks, while not sacrificing much against the fair ones (where our main board is already pretty good).
Just my 2 cents, looking forward to hearing from the big boys!
Hell yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Ratchet Bomb hits Elves and goblin tokens both after they have gone off. TE studies and edits his deck for the metagame. His choices next month will be different again. I don't see Mangara going away any time soon. But I will say that the old Australian aboriginal is best against the decks this deck is classically best against. That means that in environments that are affected by D+T (and have appropriate hate) he is not as good.
Well, by "gone" I didn't mean "not ever going to be played in this deck again". Old favorites come and go (Cataclysm, SoFI, Avenger, etc), but right now, it seems like he might be sitting on the bench for a while in the near future. It's safe to say that the cat is out of the bag by now, and people will come prepared for DnT at big tournaments for the forseeable future. I do worry about the dent this puts in our Sneak n' Show and reanimator MU's, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
One thing I don't understand in the BoM's lists is the miser Cavern of Souls. I liked it in the GP list running 14 maindeck humans (6 of which requiring double white), but at a lowly 9 count (with only one featuring WW in its casting cost), it doesn't seem like such a good idea, especially since we are now running 7 non-humans requiring WW. The perk of being able to land an uncounterable Thalia or Mystic every now and then doesn't seem worth the increased screw risk. Just throw a Canopy/Plains/Flagstones (if you're running cataclysm) in its place I say.
Incidentally, I certainly don't mind seeing our x/1 humans count go down...
The fliers and SoFI are for TNN.
They said so themselves.
*loses his entire collection, D+T finally makes it to DTB. FML.
Figured likewise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasim0ff
Don't understand the single cavern either; wouldn't it be better as a Karakas?
Interesting. I find the one Cavern to be fabulous. I'm never sorry to see it. TWO might be better if you can afford to drop a Canopy or a Plains, but I still find the one-of to be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
Dave
If anyone is still looking for the list that Ari Lax won the Eternal Championship with I found it here...
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5957&d=234561
No idea. The deck is clearly good, but I'm expecting the story of the weekend in DC to be Stoneforge + Nemesis, which is a nightmare for this deck to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrjumbo03
As for changes, Mindcensor was fairly mediocre. It's probably fine but replaceable. Keep in mind that I also only played against one non-Show combo deck. I also don't like the Serra Avengers from Thomas' list. They seem to only make winning games you can normally win (they just have a Nemesis and no equipment) very easy. I can get behind a 4th Flickerwisp as that card has actual effects on the board though, and Ratchet Bomb seems awesome as it also helps against Elves and is not unreasonable to board against decks that are all 1/x and 2/x dudes plus Nemesis.
Was this post invisible or was I the only one that saw it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
I was actually thinking about this card and how it would be so good D&T right now. Dug up a couple from my boxes of old odds and ends. They will be going in right away.
Manriki-Gusari might solve that problem. They won't attack with an equipped TNN before turn 5 anyway (often later because of waste, port, Thalia), which gives you plenty of time to set up. It's too early to say, but I'm not terribly worried about SFM control decks, TNN or not. Sure, an active jitte destroys our deck, but historically, those kind of decks have a hard time getting their game going against DnT. Also, keep in mind that Aven Mindcensor is great against opposing SFM decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by AriLax
True-Name Nemesis got you down?
Edit: I see Crackdown is being discussed already.
I guess Abrupt Decay is a card. It also doesn't stop a vigilant Nemesis, or an opponent Maze of Ithing their man end-of-combat, but D&T already has the tools to stop Equips & Maze.
Tariff is also an option, but then you're relying on mana denial and/or opponents playing into it.
It seems really slow, even slower than it normally would be because of D&T's own taxation effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tormod
Well if you are against elves you wouldn't play Thalia, would you? Card seems semi legit to meQuote:
Originally Posted by iostream