Has anyone tried using a green splash in the deck for tarmogoyf and additional removal.
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Has anyone tried using a green splash in the deck for tarmogoyf and additional removal.
Yes. Go ask Eva...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacemindbreak
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In the two flex slots...we should try playign Withered wretch
Hi to all, this is my deck-list:
The Gate
4 Abyssal Persecutor
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Dark Confidant
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Innocent Blood
2 Go for the Throat
2 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Bitterblossom
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sensei's Divining Top
12 Swamp
4 Marsh Flats
4 Wasteland
1 Bojuka Bog
61 Main Deck
3 Smother
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Extirpate
3 Engineered Plague
3 Phyrexian Revoker
15 Sideboard
These decks always get me to good standing on a legacy tournament! Last tournament 4-2 10th place, lost to Ivory stompy and Red Sligh... win to Dredge, Titan Ramp, Canadian Thresh and WG deck.. I been using the gate for every legacy event...: )
I need a more solid sideboard depend on the Meta, and my main deck is 61 cards? I choose this built to all around Meta in legacy...
Suggestions... Thanks!
you do not need marsh flats or any fetchlands for that matter. It just hurts you more than it helps. just use basic swamps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldo
Hello to all on this thread. I realy love this deck but cannot see how we can stay mono colored and hope to beat reanimater game 1 with them being able to get Iona in play so fast. If that archetype is around then we need to splah white for STP I believe.
I understand that this may open us up against some hate we are currently avoiding. I would rather take a wasteland after using my STP then just losing to Iona if she resolves wich is very possible game 1. We can just get them to top deck mode and they rip any reanimate spell we just lose. It gets even worse if we have a persecuter out. I have seen in the past the versions running macabre in the main and I dont want to take that route.
The splash is effectively 13 cards 9 land and 4 STP 4 marsh flats 4 scrublands and 1 plains. It is already known that we need some targeted removal ase well as our sacrifice effects so this should be an easy swap.
This will also give us access to vindicate in the sideboard if you want it...
I am planning on playing this at the Invitational this weekend (I won a qualifier) so any quick feedback would be greatly appreciated
faerie macrabeQuote:
Originally Posted by j369fox
I should have been more specific about my question then. What do you do against a resolved Iona?Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar of Shadow
I am running the faerie and i do see the power of the card but its in my sideboard.
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Originally Posted by j369fox
Hollywood used to play Faerie Macabres maindeck. They are good against snapcasters and bunch of other stuff as well.
thats when you scoop.Quote:
Originally Posted by j369fox
Yeah, that's exactly how it happened in round one of the invitational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar of Shadow
I like the deck allot, and it was fun to play thanks for the advice guys
I went 2/2 with the deck in the legacy rounds losing to reanimate and to a standstill/man land deck that I was not prepared for.
I beat u/w Stone blade very handedly, and won a close match with the u/r delver deck.
my personal opinion on the reanimate matchup is that you force yourself to run leylines in the sideboard, by doing that they have to wait a couple of turns to get echoing truth mana while you attempt to make them discard it every chance you get. If you can swing that the game is yours.
From my experience, without dark ritual, you do not use leylines.Quote:
Originally Posted by j369fox
In your case, you should use faeries and extirpates. Graveyard decks are the bane of this deck...its best to dedicate maybe 5-6 sideboard slots for this matchup.
After taking a break from this deck for a bit, I think I'm going to play it in a tournament coming up and decided to trade in my Obliterators to make a more classic Persecutor build:
21 Swamp
4 Abyssal Persecutor
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Dark Confidant
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Innocent Blood
2 Victim of Night
1 Go for the Throat
2 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Bitterblossom
SB:
4 Relic of Progenitus
3 Extirpate
3 Pithing Needle
3 Perish
1 Bitterblossom
1 Cabal Therapy
So my main two questions are:
How essential/useful is Wasteland? I don't know if I feel like shelling out $200 for a playset but maybe someone can convince me otherwise. Do they ever reduce your consistency by mana screwing you when you need double black?
How do I SB for the Stoneblade match up? Various versions of this deck are really popular where I play and I've gotten better at playing against them but it still is a losing battle. Usually I want to side in Extirpate, Needle, and the extra Bitterblossom and Cabal Therapy but I can never figured out the best things to side out. Any recommendations?
Any other general comments/suggestions are welcome too. Thanks.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on this. They are going to be bringing in thoughtsieze's to get your extirpates. Your going to lose game one most times so you'll be on the play with your discard. I think the leyline strategy is a sound one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar of Shadow
I was running faeries and extirpates in my sideboard. I even hade an extirpate in my opening hand so i kept. I played cabal therapy for fow and hit. He then took his turn thought siezed me and then got Iona out a turn later.
Yes...wastelands are annoying when I need the double black...thats why I would never run obliterator in this deck. Getting to 4 lands is pretty tough...then you have to consider 4 Blacks....Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomPenguin
Why do you want to side in extirpate, needle, and bitterblossoms against stoneblade...thats not that good, especially against a BW stoneblade.
Then continue using leylines, if it gets bounced turn 2...have fun waiting until turn 4 to recast it, that is without it being dazed, FOWed, and whatever fun counters they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by j369fox
This is the same argument as "but it dies to removal"
This is why I chose the word disagree, Your exact example of it getting bounced turn two is the "it dies to removal speech". I was stating that we are running 11 discard spells main deck and will be on the play 90% of the time in this case. The discard you have is even stronger game 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar of Shadow
This is why sideboard's are preference. You are choosing to be weak to discard and i am choosing to be weak to bounce effects. I am not arguing with you i was stating my real time experiance and the play that I believe to be the better approach.
I am running 22 land to make up for use of wasteland. In my limited experiance with u/w stoneblade I was able to keep them off the mana they need using wasteland for a couple of turns. This leads to us being able to focus on their hand to disrupt. If they land a stoneforge they will get batterskull most of the time. This will give you a shot with innocent blood to kill the mystic and to get at the batterskull with discard.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomPenguin
I suppose I was thinking more about UW Stoneblade builds. I'll try to explain my choices:
Extirpate: These decks leans hardcore on a few staple cards and Extirpating them can severely harm them, also screws Snapcaster
Pithing Needle: Shuts off equipment, Jace, Elspeth, manlands, Riptide Laboratory and a host of others
Bitterblossom: This card is a house against most control decks, I've won on its back many a time
I'm totally open to suggestions or recommendations though so please any input is great
Bitterblossom landing very early can just win for you. I side in a sword of light and shadow. Equip to vampire nighthawk, and block batterskull with gatekeeper and recycle him and you win. pithing needle can work but i feel you are better being aggressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomPenguin