[Deck] Suicide Black

@deck above me: too much equipment for only 14 creatures.

This is my Black Suicide List

http://www.deckcheck.net/stats.php?id=55915&saved=true

creature [15]
4 Dark Confidant
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Nantuko Shade
3 Tombstalker

instant [8]
4 Dark Ritual
4 Smother

sorcery [14]
3 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
3 Thoughtseize

artifact [2]
2 Umezawa's Jitte

land [21]
17 Swamp
4 Wasteland

sideboard [15]
4 Engineered Plague
4 Diabolic Edict
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Powder Keg

Any suggestions to improve the deck?

Fetches may or may not help you...

Check out Eva Green. If you have bayous and fetches there is really no reason not to run Tarmogoyf...he is that good.

Indeed. Also...I think -1 duress/+1 thoughtseize would be good, because as it stands you have very little answers to creatures (goyf). Other than that I guess it's pretty standard...

Really, I'm just not a fan of suicide black at all because Eva green feels better with goyf and artifact/enchantment removal.

The Point ist: I dont have Duals and Fetchies and i don't want to buy them so i want to keep ist mono b ;)

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Originally Posted by durin86

The Point ist: I dont have Duals and Fetchies and i don't want to buy them so i want to keep ist mono b ;)

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dystopia is good in the sb against all things thresh/rock. you lose a few life points but they cant play dudes/lose dudes.

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Originally Posted by durin86

@deck above me: too much equipment for only 14 creatures.

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Good advice on the artifacts, i will stick to just 2 or perhaps 3.

With my mono black suicide i skipped the LD part and instead focussed more on the discard. This helps Nyxathid more as well. Wondering how this works out.

p.s. @ Durin86. I noticed you posted your deck on deckcheck.net, do you need to be a member for that?

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Originally Posted by Lcpdenijs

Good advice on the artifacts, i will stick to just 2 or perhaps 3.

With my mono black suicide i skipped the LD part and instead focussed more on the discard. This helps Nyxathid more as well. Wondering how this works out.

p.s. @ Durin86. I noticed you posted your deck on deckcheck.net, do you need to be a member for that?

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No you don't have to be a member, you can submit decks here:
http://www.deckcheck.net/stats.php and don't forget to save the deck ;)

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Originally Posted by durin86

The Point ist: I dont have Duals and Fetchies and i don't want to buy them so i want to keep ist mono b ;)

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Maybe this is could work for you.

Dark Meekstone:

Artifact's:
4x Meekstone (:cool: shuts down a lot of ugly stuff)
3x Umezawa’s Jitte (make's our little buggers become really big pest's that untap under stone and compensate's the lifeloss from bitterblossom, thoughtseize and dark confidant)

Creature's:
4x Dark Confidant
4x Hypnotic Specter
4x Nantuko Shade
2x Yixlid Jailer
4x Bitterblossom
Every creature can hit and untap under meekstone, and shade's particularly good when meekstone's out (since he beats for way more than 2 and untap's).

Yes Bitterblossom count's as creature.

The yailers are experimental but for now they're not doing to bad.

Instant's:
4x Dark Ritual (Bust you're stuff on the field in a really unfair tempo)
4x Smother (get's rid of whatever that can beat more than once under meekstone, and of most thing's that only need to attack once (like realy big terravore's or opposing shade's/serra avengers).

Manabase:
15x Swamp
4x Wasteland
Simple, cheap and stifle proof, what do you want more.


Sorcery's:
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Thoughtseize
Staple's if you ask me...

Sideboard
4x Pithing Needle
4x Engineered Plague
4x Leyline of the Void
3x Cabal Therapy

Sideboard hasn't been tested enough, but it looks good on paper.

Anyway the needle is really necessary since Deed really wreck's the deck, and Engineered Explosives isn't that much better for us...

Also maybe you want to include more removal in the board against other agro decks that can attack under you stone.

hope you like it :)

Interesting Deck. I'll test it, but 2 Jailers Maindeck? What for?

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Originally Posted by durin86

Interesting Deck. I'll test it, but 2 Jailers Maindeck? What for?

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Because 21 land is to much and I don't like 1-off's :D

+ Ichorid has never been a good matchup for this deck so some main deck stuff might steal a win or 2.

Feel free to switch some numbers, i think playing 20 land would be better, but I don't really know what to put in that last slot..

Maybe some extra equipment since most of the men I play aren't really impressive on their own (short of shade...) but that might raise the power of the creature above 2 and makes our meekstone less effective (you could just re-equip it after combat, but that also consumes 2 mana every turn...)

Or even some more removal (edict, or ghastly demise+fetch, terror,...)


Anyway I hope you like the list :)

I recommend Dauthi Slayer over Jailer, cause he gets by creatures, your opponent plays for blocking.

If you wish for additional Equipments try Memory Mask, which gets you additional Card-Draw...

Is Stromgald Crusader not popular anymore?

It would seem to work well with the Meekstone idea as he could hop over and pump?

But Crusader AND Nantuko Shade need too much mana to be good, and the pump-ability of crusader sucks. That's my opinion on crusader :)

This is the latest version of my suicide black:

http://www.deckcheck.net/stats.php?id=56385&saved=true

-1 Duress
-1 Swamp
+ 2 Diabolic Edict

to improve the aggro MU

I don't think anyone disagrees that on its own, the Shade's pump ability is better than the Crusader's.

Just giving another option for people messing around with the deck since Crusader will hop over Goyfs as well as dodge StP.

I figure since you're playing 4x Meekstone, you'd want to try and abuse it as much as you could.

What about Bone Saw or Shuko for an extra power boost? Cheap and easy to equip (or even Bonesplitter).

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Originally Posted by Darkenslight

What about Bone Saw or Shuko for an extra power boost? Cheap and easy to equip (or even Bonesplitter).

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Ehm, no offense, but I don't think these cards really offer anything extra in this deck. (let alone other decks, since there are way better cards for these)

If you want to use some equipment, use Jitte of Sword of Fire & Ice.

Does anyone play this deck anymore?

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Does anyone play this deck anymore?

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Every other match I play on MWS seems to be some variation of this deck.

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Originally Posted by MTG-Fan

Every other match I play on MWS seems to be some variation of this deck.

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Yeah, heaps of people are playing Suicide or Mono Black Aggro. It's reasonably cheap to build and has reasonably good game against some of the top decks.

Here's my list, still work in progress:

Maindeck (60)

Land (21)

15 Swamp
2 Tomb of Urami
4 Wasteland

Creature (15)

4 Dark Confidant
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Nantuko Shade
3 Tombstalker

Instant (9)

4 Dark Ritual
3 Smother
2 Diabolic Edict

Sorcery (12)

2 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtseize
2 Cabal Therapy

Artifact (3)

Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard (15)

3 Powder Keg
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Engineered Plague
4 Dystopia

The only things that are different in my list are Tomb of Urami and Cabal Therapy. Tomb gives you another Tombstalker but with severe drawback and Cabal Therapy, while not as good as Duress, allows you to sacrifice your own Dark Confidant if you are low on life and in danger of dying.

I must admit Tomb of Urami isn't that good, and after a bit more testing it will probably get the boot from the deck. But Cabal Therapy has proved positive, as once you've buried your opponent under card advantage you can sacrifice Dark Confidant and eliminate the danger of flipping Tombstalker.

The last thought is that maybe 3 Umezawa's Jitte is a bit much for the deck. More testing necessary.

Gargoyle Castle is better than Tomb of Urami, though I would probably run neither.