[Deck] UW Tempo

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Originally Posted by cseraph

Exaggerate a little? Please. Read your own post again.

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I have, and see no issue. Perhaps you could be more specific?

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Obviously FoW is a remarkable tool against combo for a WW deck, and I think D&T has its own issues. Online is a bit weird vis a vis paper in that card availability works very differently, but it also sees a lot more actual games played than paper does, which is of some value. I flipped through the decks of the week for last week as a quick reference, and D&T made T8 four times in 5 events, UW Tempo zero. Other weeks I've seen are roughly similar, though I haven't bothered tallying them.

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Yes, and the same was true of burn decks in the recent Extended tournaments. That doesn't mean it's a stronger deck than Thepts. In fact, budget decks doing well seems to be a very common trend online. Hmm. Who wold have thought that people playing MODO would be too cheap to invest in more than $100 for a deck?

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It is possible that this is because people online are missing the power of the deck, and if so, I'd be more than happy to see online fans of it prove me wrong. My initial reaction was that online has a ton of aggro decks, and what looked to me like an aggro weakness might be the culprit. I don't think that's crazy or foolish.

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It is not our job to convince other people of this deck's supremacy. In fact, quite the opposite: I'm sure most people in this thread would be perfectly fine to continue doing well in tournaments and have no one else pick up the deck. What you need to do is get your head out of.... the sky, and realize this basic fact:

YOU NEED TO TEST A DECK YOURSELF BEFORE BEING ABLE TO COMMENT AT ALL ON IT.

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Finally... if topic-free abuse of a person in a public forum isn't intended to degrade their points, what exactly is it intended to do? It wouldn't be respected in a work or academic setting and I don't particularly respect it here.

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Ah, abuse for the sake of abuse, of course. I'm not intending to get the idiots who come here solely to rip on this deck to feel that they're in an actual debate. I'm attempting to make them feel that they have no idea what they're talking about (which, most of the time, they don't), and stop posting needless comments in a thread that they, again, do not have the mental capacity to understand. Do not assume that all of my comments were directed at you; they were directed at the vast majority of nutless "pro magic players" who do exactly what you're doing now-- go into a thread, comment on it, and then refuse to listen to anything anyone has to say.

The interesting part is, I don't need to degrade your 'points,' since any person who has read this thread for any period of time has seen them at least 20 times before. I'm just trying to get you to find the lube you need to pry your head out of your ass, and listen to what other people are saying, rather than assuming you're always right.

I left this thread some months ago, but it is still the same source of comedy gold as ever. I must start reading where I finished. Shame that some of the most funny imbeciles are banned...

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Originally Posted by Isei

It is not out job to convince other people of this deck's supremacy. In fact, quite the opposite: I'm sure most people in this thread would be perfectly fine to continue doing well in tournaments and have no one else pick up the deck.

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Yeah, lol, I'm happy with my ~$400 in tournament winnings (compared to about $100 in entrance fees), only playing the deck occasionally.

I think people who play the deck more like Tinefol and Stuckpixel are doing even better in terms of the "playing MTG to build my collection" department since they have more games. And I know Jeff has a stack of winnings under his belt as well, if just from the hundreds he won at SCGs.

Not really, I just dump my salary (or what's left of it) into magic xD. I have a project of pimping out my UWT (non foil though, because I hate foils), and that sucks a whole lot of money. FBB Tundras were really expensive, asian fetches and Wastelands aren't too cheap as well.

Played with Kor Haven MD.
Anyways, went 3-1-1 today, finishing 8th. Won against UR Kiln Fiend aggro 2-0 (Kor Haven was golden game1, saving me, despite huge floods). Won against Dreadstill 2-0 (Kor Haven again was awesome holding Dreadnought till I got swords, and game2 Devout Witness just made him concede). I've seen 5 dreadnoughts throughout two games. I'm happy to finally win this match. Won vs Food chain combo 2-0, lost to BW Pox (some weak hands, and he had Dark Confidant all the time), and had a draw vs MonoG Prog Survival, where he escaped game3 on turns.

I was horribly flooded today about too often. Perhaps 18 lands is too many, but I kind of liked Kor Haven.

You won't stop floods by adding or removing one land, and I'm happy with the 18; I think it's right. I run the 4 waste, 7 fetch, 3 basic, 4 tundra build. Boring, but tried and true.

Pimping in progress on my UW Tempo deck too, whadda know. Helps that some sourcer gifted me FBB swords and foreign vials last xmas. Just picked up some foriegn jittes =D Something tells me it's going to be a while before I FBB my duals, but I'm working on everything else.

Isei - are you just cutting the singleton vexing sphinx then to get up to 18? I've been contemplating going back up to 18 lands (having the 4th wasteland is very nice). I've also been toying with running a walker in the singleton slot - but haven't had enough experience to know if that's a fool's errand or if it's going to work out well. Elspeth seems pretty nice in that slot.

Tinefol - Do you not see a lot of combo in your meta? To me, it seems like Aura of Silence is nice not only because it's an answer to troublesome artifact and enchantments directly, but because it taxes combo like crazy too. Granted, we have better taxing pieces than it, but it's pretty solid if we can get it on the board. Also, the only way it can be k-gripped is if you play it out early. If you keep it in your hand until they drop the problem enchantment/artifact, you can play it - not pass priority - and sac it before they have a chance to play their k-grip.

There's a bit of 'combo' (like SNT-Emrakul) but not storm based one.

I want Artifact/Enchantment hate to be 'taxing'. Aura works nicely with its +2 cc requirement, but I found it to be more vulnerable (its a sad sad world, where artifacts and enchantments are more vulnerable than creatures). Witness lets you dump excessive lands for continuous Disenchant. I side it in against Survival/equipment decks, where Aura is something useless that dies to Grip/Qasali and is offset by a single Eternal Witness.

Yeah, I see a lot of storm combo in my meta, which is the main reason I haven't moved away from aura. That, plus the e-tutor board.

I did pick up a playset of foil Witnesses though, just to be safe. =D Storm might be dropping more in the coming days, if it does, Witness goes in.

No, stuck, I only run 2 vial. Drawing multiples is bad.

Hey guys,

I'm pretty new to this UW Tempo thing, but I've been following for quite a while. I'm going to a local tourney in a coupla weeks, and I've decided to run UW Tempo, since most people there will expect zoo from me (I'm the one who first ran zoo in this particular meta). In any case, Zoo is expected to be a strong presence, but the rest of the meta is pretty much blind (as in the people who play there are different each time, and I’m not sure what they’re going to bring. Can anyone suggest a list that does well against Zoo, but still has a reasonable MU against most other decks?

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by dr4g0n

Hey guys,

Can anyone suggest a list that does well against Zoo, but still has a reasonable MU against most other decks?

Cheers.

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The main list, with 1 vexing sphinx and 2 jotun grunt. The main this is to PRACTICE THE MATCHUP.

The main list will do you well. All of the zoo matchups I've played I either won or felt like I could have won if I had tightened up my game.

If you are really nervous and/or expect a ton of zoo in the meta, you could SB for that deck (Perimeter Captain or extra condemns out of the board)

Hi guys,

Im back, long time no see...
Only played this deck once recently going 2-2 (cant remember MUs at all). Been waiting for last amount of pimp to get home to me, and by pimp i mean foil not foreign cards. Apart from duals and forces, all of it is now shiny:) so will be playing this again next week and post results inhere.
Have just been busy with some funny decks and havent had the time to post in here. Most recently the survival/vengevine package... why? Because I can and its silly.:) Guess you can say i have been in cookie mode, causing my eternal rating to take a serious beating, dropping from round 1825 to 1750. Now its soon time to play some good decks again so i atleast can get back up in the 1800 range

Must admit our local meta is very shifting, meaning that it is hard to meta choose your deck at the moment. Therefore i havent been as comfortable running UW tempo recently caus of random deck that just steamrolls you.
When I play this deck, I more or less the standard list, SB somewhat changes but nothing spectacular.

Will try to keep up tournament scores again - you will here from me as this is among the all time favorit decks for me.
This deck has one of my best performance records, along with NoLED ANT(preban), Merfolks and a homebrew moat/aggrodeck that caught everyone in my local meta by surprise.

Finally, wasnt it an idea to have an section in the op with cards discussed and dismissed and on with borderline cards that some of you/us find worthy of testing?
This should eliviate some of the stupid posts suggestions and/or the recurring suggestions as many dont spend the time to see if a suggested card allready had been discussed?
And more importantly it could lead to more serious testing of the cards that might actually be playable.

(sorry for a bit messy post)

I have been playing this deck for 2 weeks and have found a problem that I can not deal with quite yet, Engineered Explosives. As of now my only options are to counter the EE, however it usually happens that they play around spell pierce and daze so my options are FoW. It is quickly approaching the need for 3-4 stifles in the side board.

Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how have you handled this? If not, please post some other ideas as to how to deal with EE.

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Originally Posted by Kudd

I have been playing this deck for 2 weeks and have found a problem that I can not deal with quite yet, Engineered Explosives. As of now my only options are to counter the EE, however it usually happens that they play around spell pierce and daze so my options are FoW. It is quickly approaching the need for 3-4 stifles in the side board.

Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how have you handled this? If not, please post some other ideas as to how to deal with EE.

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Generally, as long as they aren't 3- and 4- for 1'ing you, I haven't found it to be a problem. If they are using Academy ruins to recur it, just find a wasteland. Otherwise, you should have plenty of card advantage to play through it.

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Originally Posted by Isei

Generally, as long as they aren't 3- and 4- for 1'ing you, I haven't found it to be a problem. If they are using Academy ruins to recur it, just find a wasteland. Otherwise, you should have plenty of card advantage to play through it.

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So, lets say they are 3 for 1'ing me. It sounds like that would be my fault for over extending. Still, since UW tempo runs 1 and 2cc creatures, a EE will always 2-3 for 1 me.

This might be out of left field but have we discussed the possibility of Sea Drake as a 1 or 2 of in this deck? The ability is triggered, so we can morph fathom seer or vial him in and crack fetchlands in response so that there is no drawback (since it gets countered if we only have one land in play). I just feel with so many of lands leaving play, his drawback could be negated. Plus, I always want Serra Avenger 5-6 and although he doesn't do it as pretty as she does, I think he might have a lot of value in this deck as a 2-of. Possibly in the KotWO and one Fathom Seer spot?

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Originally Posted by Honoluluicecaps

Possibly in the KotWO and one Fathom Seer spot?

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Play with the deck before posting in this thread.

If you'd played this deck at all, or kept up with this thread, you'd know KotWO is no longer played, and hasn't been since ~December, and that there is no possible way you would ever want to cut fathom seer.

hmm. Would Cataclysm help with lands matchup?

It guess it's way too clunky and slow against Lands. And by the time you could cast it, they will most likely have Loam online anyway. I'll keep playing Enlightened Tutor + Gravehate. Nobody plays Lands here anyway. It's kind of sad that such a nice deck is limited by it's high price but I'm also glad I'm not playing every second match against Lands.