[Deck] Aggro Loam

I was testing Assault main and board before Eldrazi became a thing and it was pretty solid in matchups like Delver and D&T as an extra way to mow down their guys if they dealt with Punishing Fire before I settled on Cabal Pit (which I'm now cutting). It's also not awful if you're concerned about Blood Moon, and puts durdly decks on a pretty tight clock. The downsides are that RRR can be hard to set up if you're also trying to get Liliana out, it's not much better than Stormbind without Loam (and probably harder to cast to boot), it can be Revokered, and it doesn't deal with large creatures like Eldrazi and Goyfs as well as other options while being notably slower than other removal options. I think it could be great as a 1-2 of in the 75, but it seems worse than squeezing in something like another Kolaghan's Command, which has been gas every time I've drawn it. For the record, Pit ultimately got the nod because it's a black source and didn't lower the land count.

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Yes, but Countryside is obviously now hot garbage. Seismic Assault seems like it could still be a thing.

Kronberger really pushed the deck into existence last year in Europe, and it's the 4C Loam lists people are playing now, basically.

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I agree. Kronbergers list is probably within 3 cards of most people's current lists. As much as I hate to say it, Jeff Hoogland also had a burning wish build going for some time but no one seems to be on that build anymore. The mana base would definitely need to be changed to accommodate RRR- likely some number of Graven Cairns to assist casting Liliana / Seismic. I'm on a Kronberger style list with DD / Thespian's. Did you have a list in mind? Naya / Jund / 4C?

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Anyone still trying to jam old school, non-Kronberger Loam? :P


-Matt

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I can't say I've tried anything out, but I would love to power out Avalanche Riders again.

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Yes, but Countryside is obviously now hot garbage. Seismic Assault seems like it could still be a thing.

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How dare you sully the name of the great H. Ross Perot?!?!

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Yes, but Countryside is obviously now hot garbage. Seismic Assault seems like it could still be a thing.

Kronberger really pushed the deck into existence last year in Europe, and it's the 4C Loam lists people are playing now, basically.

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I'd be interested in experimenting with this, but in order for this to work you have to be able to justify sacrificing access to the best cards in your strategy (Knight, Teeg, sideboard cards) for a more stable manabase. Assault could still be worth it, but Liliana is a powerful control/attrition piece and there's no real gains in mana efficiency going from a four-color manabase to a three-color one that has to support BBRRRG at various points in the game.

Actually, I wonder if the new Nissa has any merit. Her +1 and -2 can generate board presence from nowhere and her ultimate is legitimately good. She could do scary things in conjunction with Worm Harvest, a card that's long been good when it got going but was held back by the speed with which that was achieved.

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Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies

I'd be interested in experimenting with this, but in order for this to work you have to be able to justify sacrificing access to the best cards in your strategy (Knight, Teeg, sideboard cards) for a more stable manabase. Assault could still be worth it, but Liliana is a powerful control/attrition piece and there's no real gains in mana efficiency going from a four-color manabase to a three-color one that has to support BBRRRG at various points in the game.

Actually, I wonder if the new Nissa has any merit. Her +1 and -2 can generate board presence from nowhere and her ultimate is legitimately good. She could do scary things in conjunction with Worm Harvest, a card that's long been good when it got going but was held back by the speed with which that was achieved.

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I'd be interested in any testing results you could generate, but Worm Harvest +Nissa seems a little "Danger of Cool Things" for me, and trying to get 1GG AND 1BB by turn 3-4 is basically impossible without a Diamond unless you're willing to cut yourself off from both white and red. I think Liliana is much too good to cut for new Nissa or Seismic Assault.

I think new Nissa and Worm Harvest give you a way to win the game against control. I don't know that the Nissa-Lili pair belongs in a deck with Assault, though - if you run Punishing Fire instead you can reduce red and then you're mostly black-green, which is easier to build.

That said, I don't know if it really matters all that much. Assault gives you a way to win too, but it requires Loam and it requires a couple of turns and it requires making some sacrifices in your mana. With Crusher being hot garbage and no access to Knight you also don't have a creature-based way to put your opponent into easy burn range. Once upon a time, New Nissa would have been excellent for her ability to let your Tarmogoyfs eat their Tarmogoyfs in combat, but the era where that's a relevant consideration is long past.

I can confirm Crusher is hot grabage-I tried a few lists with him relatively recently in both a Jund list (literally 0-4 at my weekly) and a Naya list. I would 100% rather play Terravore for "Big stupid CMC3 dude that isn't Knight". While I'm here, I will say that I crushed people with the Terravore playing Naya.

So for a Red-oriented list, your "payoff" card is basically either Seismic or Devastating Dreams, the latter of which I'm much more interested in. Its been on my radar to test a Dreams-centric list but I've been busy playing other decks.

I thought about a traditional oldschool list at the beginning of playing this deck too but at the end of the day I just had to recognize that the old Seimic Assault/Devastating dreams list is just way less flexible and more dependent on Loam...You just have a strict worse MU against Combo decks because you just lose this Zenith, Ooze, Teeg, Sage package...GY hate like RIP or Surgical just hurts you alot more than with the Kronberger list...

So you get powerhouse cards like Assault/Dreams which are absolutley king in creature based MU´s and even good against Miracles (When you can Keep CB of the board!) but you lose alot of flexibility in a variety of other MU´s...

The other thing is that nowadays people have way more natural weapons for the Loam/Assault Combo in form of Abrupt Decay, Phyrexian Revoker, Zentih packages, Councils Judgement, Wear//Tear etc...

I played a traditinal Jund Loam list years ago (Survival/Vengevine era) for a long time and the Assault/Loam/Dreams engine was just huge but today the game has evolved and how I said earlier we have just way more hate for it, so at the end of the day I think it´s not really a stronger or even build to the Kronberger list...We got Abrupt Decay but thats it...

Edit: When I would play the Assault/Dreams list I would definitly go with Knights nevertheless (He just improves the Combo MU´s like Sneak & Show or Reanimator), every other option is just strict worse and way less flexible. And he´s really managable even in a heavy R list with assault especially with Mox Diamonds...Tried it out couple years ago...

With all this talk or extra wincons/more resilient threats I was wondering if any one had tested Centaur Vinecrasher? I know the Sylvan Plug/Sylvan Stompy deck was trying him out as a one of and some people seemed the have decent results with it.

On another note how do people feel about the Eldrazi stompy match up? I've only played against it a few times but it seems like a very easy match up for us. I think the only game I've lost was like Eye into x2 Mimic, then ancient tomb into a thoughtknot seer.

Vinecrusher seems like the best threat of all the extras that have been proposed, though I'd still rather have an MD Kolaghan's Command.

As for Eldrazi - I think our matchup against them is strong. Shardless's is definitely better, but we've got so much good stuff against them and we have fewer dead lock pieces preboard, so unless they have a crazy Mimic draw they usually can't keep up.

Does anyone actively stream with this deck? I've been having AWFUL results in Leagues with a fairly standard build. It feels as though I'm either mulliganing incorectly, or I'm just completely incompetent. However, I've been on and off with the deck since the lead up to GP SEATAC, and felt comfortable with it at the GP.

Really feel that watching someone in action with it would help me a lot if it exists.

Crusher is garbage as a beater, but that was never the point of having him in the deck. The point was that he tutored for a business spell every turn in a deck that ran 25+ lands. That he got huge in doing so was just icing on the cake before every deck was making shitloads of tokens.

Speaking of Nissa, did anyone ever try the Origins version? Decent etb trigger, pretty easy to flip, +1 is great, can protect herself, ultimate probably wins, and easy to cast.

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Originally Posted by Richard Cheese

Speaking of Nissa, did anyone ever try the Origins version? Decent etb trigger, pretty easy to flip, +1 is great, can protect herself, ultimate probably wins, and easy to cast.

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I mean, having seven lands on the battlefield is rarely a good thing and an overcosted basic Forest tutor is basically worthless.

I was thinking something along the lines of:

4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Terravore
1 Eternal Witness


2 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Life from the Loam
3 Seismic Assault
2 Burning Wish
2 Devastating Dreams
3 Punishing Fire
4 Mox Diamond
3 Sylvan Library
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Abrupt Decay
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3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wooded Foothills
1 Tranquil Thicket
1 Forgotten Cave
2 Bayou
2 Taiga
1 Badlands
1 Karakas
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
3 Wasteland
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Volrath's Stronghold
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1 Worm Harvest
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Meltdown
1 Devastating Dreams
1 Regrowth
1 Hull Breach
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Life from the Loam
2 Sphere of Resistance
3 Thoughtseize
1 Scavenging Ooze

But obviously without Knight to stabilize the manabase. Could be easy enough to just shove Goyfs in and call it a day.

Has anyone tried a purely Junk colored version?


4 Dark Confidant
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Diamond
2 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Life from the Loam
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Toxic Deluge
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Sylvan Library
2 Bayou
2 Scrubland
1 Savannah
1 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
2 Barren Moor
1 Tranquil Thicket
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Dark Depths
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Thespian's Stage

Sideboard
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Containment Priest
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Choke
1 Maelstorm Pulse
1 Golgari Charm
1 Engineered Plague


Knight is always quite good with Deluge, often surviving no matter how much life you pay (at least vs non fatty cheat decks). Inspiration came from Kronberger.dec and this Caleb Durward article

Played in a 6 round tournament yesterday, went 4-2 and lost my win and in with both losses coming against Eldrazi. I don't think this deck can ever beat their average draw of turn 1 mimic, turn 2 seer and turn 3 smasher if they are on the play and it felt like this happened more often than I expected. Even a steady stream of 4/4s and 5/5s starting from turn 3 or 4 with their "slow" draws felt really tough to deal with as your only creature that can block and not die are the Knights and well, they have more fatties than you have Knights. Not too sure how to sideboard properly as the two lists I played against were fairly different, one had a lot of punishing fire and abrupt decay targets, the other did not so it just felt very frustrating. Maybe we might have to revert to playing Devastating Dreams again? ugh....

All of my wins otherwise felt fairly easy. Won against ANT, Dredge, 4c Delver and Infect.

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Originally Posted by pocari79

Played in a 6 round tournament yesterday, went 4-2 and lost my win and in with both losses coming against Eldrazi. I don't think this deck can ever beat their average draw of turn 1 mimic, turn 2 seer and turn 3 smasher if they are on the play and it felt like this happened more often than I expected. Even a steady stream of 4/4s and 5/5s starting from turn 3 or 4 with their "slow" draws felt really tough to deal with as your only creature that can block and not die are the Knights and well, they have more fatties than you have Knights. Not too sure how to sideboard properly as the two lists I played against were fairly different, one had a lot of punishing fire and abrupt decay targets, the other did not so it just felt very frustrating. Maybe we might have to revert to playing Devastating Dreams again? ugh....

All of my wins otherwise felt fairly easy. Won against ANT, Dredge, 4c Delver and Infect.

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I did not played the MU till now with this deck but the only way I see losing to it is when they're OTP and go T1 Mimic, T2 Seer, T3 Smasher and we have a slow start without Mox. If we're OTP and have a fast Mox opener with Decay, Lili & Knight for example we are definitely in the driver seat I think.
But yes seems like you got crushed by they're perfect starts...

Sideboarding depends on your build but if your playing the Kronberger list I would board like this:

- 4 Chalice of the Void
- 1 Gaddock Teeg

+ 2 Thoughtseize (We both board out Chalice for sure...)
+ 1 Toxic Deluge
+ 1 Reclamation Sage
+ 1 Maelstrom Pulse

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Originally Posted by Manipulato

I did not played the MU till now with this deck but the only way I see losing to it is when they're OTP and go T1 Mimic, T2 Seer, T3 Smasher and we have a slow start without Mox. If we're OTP and have a fast Mox opener with Decay, Lili & Knight for example we are definitely in the driver seat I think.
But yes seems like you got crushed by they're perfect starts...

Sideboarding depends on your build but if your playing the Kronberger list I would board like this:

- 4 Chalice of the Void
- 1 Gaddock Teeg

+ 2 Thoughtseize (We both board out Chalice for sure...)
+ 1 Toxic Deluge
+ 1 Reclamation Sage
+ 1 Maelstrom Pulse

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That's exactly how I sideboarded. I did mulligan aggressively as I kept on getting hands where I couldn't do anything until turn 3 and I think if you are not able to make plays like turn 2 cast a 3 drop or turn 2 cast a bob + wasteland something, you will be extremely behind as all of their creatures are just bigger than yours. Feels like an uphill battle right now, need to test this matchup for sure.

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Originally Posted by pocari79

That's exactly how I sideboarded. I did mulligan aggressively as I kept on getting hands where I couldn't do anything until turn 3 and I think if you are not able to make plays like turn 2 cast a 3 drop or turn 2 cast a bob + wasteland something, you will be extremely behind as all of their creatures are just bigger than yours. Feels like an uphill battle right now, need to test this matchup for sure.

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Would playing a maindeck pulse over a abrupt decay with another pulse in the board help improve the matchup.

Have people played with Swans of Bryn Argoll + Seismic assault at all, or is that combo too fragile?

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Originally Posted by Manipulato

I did not played the MU till now with this deck but the only way I see losing to it is when they're OTP and go T1 Mimic, T2 Seer, T3 Smasher and we have a slow start without Mox. If we're OTP and have a fast Mox opener with Decay, Lili & Knight for example we are definitely in the driver seat I think.
But yes seems like you got crushed by they're perfect starts...

Sideboarding depends on your build but if your playing the Kronberger list I would board like this:

- 4 Chalice of the Void
- 1 Gaddock Teeg

+ 2 Thoughtseize (We both board out Chalice for sure...)
+ 1 Toxic Deluge
+ 1 Reclamation Sage
+ 1 Maelstrom Pulse

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Eldrazi was one of my three losses in scg philly, Losing on T4 both games. There's not a whole lot you can do game 1 since the average 4c loam hand is not going to be equipped to handle eldrazi. The issue is that attacking their land base and dispatching their threats is not easily done in the same turn. Trying to one-for-one against the deck just feels insufficient. Your sideboarding suggestion was exactly what i did card for card, I can't say any of the cards showed up to help. Pocari mentioned devastating dreams in a previous post, which i also think attacks eldrazi in all the right places so long as TKS doesn't take it before you get to cast it.

I also played the Eldrazi match up this weekend. It didn't feel good and the board felt very insufficient.

While I haven't gotten much testing with Eldrazi I feel like the matchup is not as bad as some are saying. How do the beat a turn 2 KoTR or the natural DD TS combo? Punishing fire although weak in some cases can take out every one of their threats (with Grove recursion in same turn) except a Reality Smasher,large endless one, endbringer. From what I saw on camera this weekend they did not get the 1, 2,3 punch very often. Wasteland, Liliana, A.Decay, KoTR, Maze of Ith. All these seem pretty stellar vs them. While CoTV does very little against them G1, Garruk, thoughtseize, toxic deluge, pulse are great replacements. Maybe you can put in E.bridge if your scared OR maybe I have a false sense of security against them. Are you running the most recent 3rd place winning list from Memphis?

I lost to it at SCG Philly, but I lost game 1 to a grevious error on my part, and game three to getting double Wastelanded and then hitting two Lilianas and two Punishing Fires off of Bob over four turns while I never drew a fourth land. He mulled to 6 and led Eye into Mimic, I had turn 1 Wasteland, Mox, Thoughtseize (taking Thought-Knot and leaving him with Endbringer, City of Traitors, Wasteland). He topdecked Thorn, I played Bob, then bricked and got Wastelanded and had my Diamomd Revokered as previously described. I took 13 damage from my own sources that game and died to 2/1 Eldrazi Mimic beats.

That's basically the story of ths matchup - if you play correctly, you're going to win most of your games, but sometimes you get got by variance, either their most explosive starts or our deck failing. I'm not blaming the deck fot my loss - game 3 probably wouldn't have happened had I not thrown game 1 - but it's easy for them to punish us if we stumble.

@btm - glad we are on the same page. I believe manipulato is also with us on this.

I wasn't able to go to Philly. How did you do?

Count me among those who think that eldrazi should not be an unfavorable MU. The deck is super vulnerable to Wasteland, none of their creatures evade (KOTR should always be equal or bigger size), and liliana is great against them.

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Originally Posted by nditiz1

While I haven't gotten much testing with Eldrazi I feel like the matchup is not as bad as some are saying. How do the beat a turn 2 KoTR or the natural DD TS combo? Punishing fire although weak in some cases can take out every one of their threats (with Grove recursion in same turn) except a Reality Smasher,large endless one, endbringer. From what I saw on camera this weekend they did not get the 1, 2,3 punch very often. Wasteland, Liliana, A.Decay, KoTR, Maze of Ith. All these seem pretty stellar vs them. While CoTV does very little against them G1, Garruk, thoughtseize, toxic deluge, pulse are great replacements. Maybe you can put in E.bridge if your scared OR maybe I have a false sense of security against them. Are you running the most recent 3rd place winning list from Memphis?

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I failed to mention that I spent Sunday play testing against a friend who was on eldrazi and won about 50% of games pre board. Based on this and what I've been hearing, I wouldn't say the matchup is "Bad," but I wouldn't mind having better tools for fighting it in the early turns to push the win rate in my favor.

On another note, post board, I ended up wanting to keep teeg in to keep them off of All is Dust and chalices on 2+. They'll also be bringing in all of their warping wails, so liliana activations become a bit more awkward. I'll be testing again on Wednesday, if I learn anything interesting, I'll be sure to share :wink:

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Originally Posted by iamajellydonut

I mean, having seven lands on the battlefield is rarely a good thing and an overcosted basic Forest tutor is basically worthless.

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I'm probably just out of touch as I haven't played the 4c/Kronberger list at all. With the old Jund lists 7 lands wasn't that uncommon. The forest tutor is pretty pointless, but I was thinking of her more as a singleton GSZ target that could be searched up in the late game essentially as a draw engine/wincon, but at that point you're probably winning or locked out anyway.

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Originally Posted by nditiz1

@btm - glad we are on the same page. I believe manipulato is also with us on this.

I wasn't able to go to Philly. How did you do?

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I lost to Lands and Eldrazi, both in 3 games (rounds 1 and 3, we both mulled to 5 game 3 of my Lands match and his nonsense came together first), and beat D&T and ANT (2-0, 2-0) . One of my friends was also 2-2 and was pretty unhappy sbout flooding out two games in a row so we dropped and had beer and tacos instead.

Hi, Im basically new to this deck and it would be nice to hear some tips about sideboarding against common tier decks like delver, miracles, ant, death & taxes, shardless, show & tell, elves, lands and new eldrazi :)

Thanks,
Peter

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Originally Posted by pjetr0

Hi, Im basically new to this deck and it would be nice to hear some tips about sideboarding against common tier decks like delver, miracles, ant, death & taxes, shardless, show & tell, elves, lands and new eldrazi :)

Thanks,
Peter

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At least post your sideboard so we can tell you what cards you want in certain matchups.

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Originally Posted by rlesko

At least post your sideboard so we can tell you what cards you want in certain matchups.

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Sideboard looks following:
3 Leyline of the Void
1 Choke
2 Thoughtseize
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Slaughter Games
1 Garruk Relentless
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Containment Priest
1 Reclamation Sage

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Originally Posted by pjetr0

Hi, Im basically new to this deck and it would be nice to hear some tips about sideboarding against common tier decks like delver, miracles, ant, death & taxes, shardless, show & tell, elves, lands and new eldrazi :)

Thanks,
Peter

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By no means am I an authority on this deck but I'll float the way I sideboard for the matchups you mentioned. Feel free to correct me if some of these decisions are silly.

delver:
This matchup favors you as it goes longer. Board in all removal spells. pulse hits pyromancer tokens and gurmag/goyf. toxic deluge is better for the small threats since its a blowout if it gets countered. some might bring in choke, I think it depends on the presence of deathrite. drawing dryad arbor in the opening hand is awful and barely ever feels good in this matchup, I board it out but that could be wrong.
-1 karakas
-1 gaddock teeg
-1 dryad arbor

+2 toxic deluge
+1 maelstrom pulse

Miracles:
Super grindy. be careful about fetching arbor here, terminus is brutal if its on board. maelstrom pulse comes in since it has plenty of targets. Garruk relentless shines here. board in reclamation sage, possibly even thalia since it's a body with a relevant ability, but I haven't found the right cuts for it yet. The more bodies, the better but beware of blowout terminuses (Termini?). chalice on 1 locks out cantrips, top and swords, teeg locks out terminus, jace and force of will. Jace is very hard to deal with once it hits the board, so keep some number of punishing fires in. PF can also scout when you're under counter top lock. Mentor and entreat tokens may warrant an inclusion of deluge, I haven't found anything i'd like to cut for it. I tried cutting the other two cycle lands for thoughseize and had decent results but I don't feel comfortable making a recommendation yet.
-1 maze of ith
-1 punishing fire
-1 barren moor
-1 dryad arbor

+1 maelstrom pulse
+1 Garruk relentless
+1 reclamation sage
+1 thalia, guardian of thraben

ANT:
Best present a clock while you disrupt. no creatures means your removal is not as good. I don't expect ANT players to make mistakes with LED or lotus petal so trying to surprise them with destroying their LED very rarely comes up. Deluge may be appropriate as I suspect that TES may pick up as eldrazi pushes ANT out of favor.
-1 Maze of Ith
-1 Karakas
-2 punishing fire
-4 abrupt decay
-1 dryad arbor

+2 Thalia
+2 Thoughtseize
+3 Leyline of the Void
+1 Ethersworn Canonist
+1 slaughter games

I'll add more tomorrow since my tablet is almost dead and pretty tired.

In really grindy MU I like to shave 2 mox diamonds (Shardless BUG and Miracles are coming to mind). Dryad arbor is a necessary evil IMO. being able to have a chump blocker every turn can help a lot, especially against something like a gurmag angler. Also, it can fulfill pseudo ambush viper roll against non threshed mongoose and young P and most players never see that coming.

Also slaughter games doesn't seem necessary right now since omni tell isn't a deck anymore.

Hi guys, just wondering what the matchup is like against Sneak 'n' Show? I'm running a stock maindeck list and am now deciding on my sideboard.

I know we have Teeg, Karakas etc maindeck, but what are you guys boarding in for this matchup? Containment Priest? Thoughtseize?

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Hi guys, just wondering what the matchup is like against Sneak 'n' Show? I'm running a stock maindeck list and am now deciding on my sideboard.

I know we have Teeg, Karakas etc maindeck, but what are you guys boarding in for this matchup? Containment Priest? Thoughtseize?

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I'm running 3x Thoughtseize and 2x Thalia in the SB. I prefer Thalia over Containment as it's less narrow for my local field. That, together with Chalice on 1 should slow them down enough to give you an extra turn or three to find Teeg and/or Karakas and/or Maze. So, I aggressively mulligan to find at least one of them in my opening hand. Of course, that still might not be enough, but you get the general idea.

I went to a weekly thing yesterday.

R1 Junk

G1 I see an unkeepable 7. My 6 is Loam, Zenith, 4 fetch/dual lands. I should have mulled but didn't want to go to 5 in the blind. I bottom a Stage. My opponent opens on DRS into Library. I don't want to get Arbor as I'm already flooding, and if I get DRS and lose the Deathrite duel that is also basically not a card. I draw mostly lands but I keep playing to learn more about the list it takes him a while but he kills me.

G2 Opponent plays 4 basics, 2x mom, and DRS. I quickly assemble Knight, and Knight quickly assembles Marit Lage.

G3 We get into a very drawn out game. It is close until he casts a second painful Truths. At some point I Deluge away a solitary bob in order to deny him live cards and continue the Qasali beats. No if it is correct, but he draws a SFM next turn. I flood out and he isn't fast enough to finish in time.

R2 Grixis Control

G1 I play Knight and then a naturally drawn Stage, and my opponent's Jace is not enough to stop me. Often 4 mana 3x unsummon is just good enough, but my opponent figured they had a turn (1 chump blocker).

G2 I board in Pulse, Thalias, and Choke for 2xchalice, loam, scooze. T1 Cabal therapy gets my Mox, and next turn my bob. I get Mooned pretty early, which doesnt matter at all because there are no spells in my hand. Or anything in play besides a chalice.

G3 -2 thalia, +2 chalice. I start 2ing him with something and finish with a marit lage. I don't remember much about this game.

R3 Jund Pyromancer

G1 I chalice him, he gets a Lili. I loam to nullify her + and keep her down with Dryad arbor. I eventually find a Knight and Lage him.

G2 I again give him no good options for lili and ignore pyro. I then use Knight to force through a Lage on his draw step (wasteland)

R4 Infect

G1 I have a T1 chalice with a follow up wasteland and bob. He concedes

G2 My hand is 2 Mox, Wasteland, Dryad Arbor, Dismember, Thalia, Chalice. I get a chalice forced, take 5 infect, Land a thalia, waste him off of 2 mana souces and have removal for 2 agents while 2ing him to death.

This was my board for the event:

Sideboard (15)
1x Choke
2x Destructive Flow
2x Dread of Night
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Meren of Clan Nel Toth
2x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Sulfur Elemental
2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Toxic Deluge

Meren of Clan Nel Toth is replacing Garruk because it is a more consistent tool in our Green Sun + Gaddock Teeg deck.
Destructive Flow is tech against Eldrazi and Lands. If you set up for it just a little bit it is a permanent one-sided armageddon.
Dread of Night is me finally getting serious about D&T

Unfortunately none of the spice was relevant today, but eh.

I'd be interested in what people think about my R1G1 hand. I think I'd always mull that exact hand but any waste/cycle/etc makes it a lot better.

That's a ton of Lage-ing now that I look at it.

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Originally Posted by Cabs

Hi guys, just wondering what the matchup is like against Sneak 'n' Show? I'm running a stock maindeck list and am now deciding on my sideboard.

I know we have Teeg, Karakas etc maindeck, but what are you guys boarding in for this matchup? Containment Priest? Thoughtseize?

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In fact, I think this is a bad match up.very hard.If a good player control "snt",our opportunities are not many.:frown:

If they cast Show and Tell we have 5 mainboard cards that blow them out. You guys have 3 more cards that nullify their play once resolved. Zenith & Teeg shut off Sneak Attack. Chalices and Wastelands and such are super live.

The matchup feels a little unfavorable but not bad. Post board things get swingy depending on if they bring in Blood Moons and Pyroclasms and such.