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Oops, I should have used a better word than non-basic. I meant colorless/no mana producing land when I was saying "non-basic". That chart should be read as...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
If you are considering 24 lands table, the 7 "non-basic" and 3 Urborg cell would correspond to a manabase like:
14 Swamp
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Wasteland
3 Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth
The five colorless producing lands I run are 2 Dust Bowl and 3 Mishra's Factory, alongside 3 Urborgs.
Iron Maiden look nice in deck that utilise 3sphere, chalice AMD nethervoid.
No good black cards in Fate Reforged set, yet. It seems all colors get their own mechanic, but the black one, delve, sucks big time.
So they're just recycling Delve? bummer. :really:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore
On the other hand, to incorporate Spawning Pool means I may have to ditch Night of Soul's Betrayal, or I just treat it as just another 'swamp' that CIPT. I suppose it's a Mishra's Factory that never dies. :laugh: On the other hand, I've now incorporated a single Crucible and stuffed in a Cabal Pit to deal with creatures that my Cursed Scroll may not be able to hit due to say a Pithing Needle or Leyline of Sanctity. Since I like creatures, I'm not going to get a Tabernacle, though Smokestack I find to be just as good as The Abyss if I can hammer down their lands.
One of the older posts in the thread mentioned getting killed by a hard LD deck using Sinkhole, Wasteland, Smallpox, Pox, Blight and/or Rancid Earths. I think for sheer speed, only Chalice and Sphere of Resistance can 'jam' the opponent's hand quick enough for the Iron Maiden to do her violating. Trinisphere and Nethervoid seem like they'd take too long or demand a Dark Ritual in opening hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore
Now if there was a way to punish them for playing lands, say, Ankh of Mishra, then the hand would be clogged quite badly. The problem is consistently doing it. What's worse, Liliana can't be in a deck with the Iron Maiden since they'd hate each other. :laugh:
I have added a couple of Trinisphere maindeck for extra ball crushing but paradoxically have dropped the Sinkholes for now. With Daze and Treasure Cruise it has been harder to get a lot of value out of it as a one for one. The addition of a couple of Trinispheres has been great - I don't want tax my Lillianas and other 3cc spells any more so I have accepted a bit of slower drop than Sphere of Resistance or make my Loams cost 5 with Nether Void. Of course Sinkhole works great with Trinisphere, but honestly if Trinisphere resolves against those same decks it is pretty crippling on its own.
I've upped it to 4 Loams so I can Smallpox with near impunity earlier, and assure a quick recovery from a token bounce or exile. If they have more than one land out they can't Daze their way out of Smallpox as easily as Sinkhole. A Ghost Quarter in the board can help mitigate the loss of Sinkholes by being a Wish target when the only thing keeping you from comboing into Marit Lage is an open basic Plains.
My current bit of spiciness is the Nightmare Void, which can be pitched to Liliana and Smallpox and sometimes Loamed into which is pretty cool. The main purpose is to be assured of clearing the way for a Marit Lage activation.
Treasure Cruise and Young Pyromancer are still a pain in my ass but I'm still doing well with this.
Chalice Loam Pox Depths
1 The Abyss
2 Trinisphere
2 Sylvan Library
4 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Liliana of the Veil
4 Life from the Loam
4 Living Wish
4 Smallpox
4 Abrupt Decay
3 Hymn to Tourach
1 Nightmare Void
4 Wasteland
3 Dark Depths
3 Thespian's Stage
4 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Urborg,Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Swamp
1 Forest
Side
1 Maze of Ith
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Cabal Pit
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Vampire Hexmage
1 Necroplasm
1 Reclaimation Sage
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Krosan Grip
2 Engineered Plague
1 Night of Soul's Betrayal
Black get some new useful dudes in the new set. The Mardu Shadowspear is nice. The Mardu Strike Leader and Brutal Hordechief are good too, but may cost to much to cast. Still, the strikeleader and packrats in the same deck would be awesome.
Just when SCG stops with Legacy-coverage (why!?!?!?), Mono Black Pox goes top10...
Really would like to see this deck in action! Anyway, congrats, mister Kurtis Frazier!
kurtis?! i see that father pox strikes again! you can almost guess his thought processes looking at that list..i'm sure those 3 spinning darkness is for the tc delver/burn decks..he probably figured treasure cruise makes hymn ineffective so he removed them in lieu of the chains, i can't help but feel amazed knowing he owns 3, just wow..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
i personally think this list is meta'ed for treasure cruise decks..
what happened to chains's price ? :eek:
happy to see pox top16
i'm trying the version of the japanese guy that finished 2nd on 100+ it's funny
noticed that too, it sure has sky rocketed..again, i think its because of the ubiquity of treasure cruise..its the most efficient answer to every blue deck in legacy..Quote:
Originally Posted by P-E
Adachi Ryousuke, 2nd/140, Eternal Party on 7 dec. 2014,Quote:
Originally Posted by P-E
Spells:
1 Empty the Pits
4 Dark Ritual
1 Hymn to Tourach
4 Smallpox
1 Beseech the Queen
4 Sinkhole
4 Innocent Blood
4 Thoughtseize
2 Cursed Scroll
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 The Abyss
2 Nether Void
4 Liliana of the Veil
Land:
9 Swamp
4 Wasteland
1 Spawning Pool
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Rishadan Port
1 Cabal Pit
1 Maze of Ith
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Sideboard:
1 Extirpate
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Pithing Needle
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Smokestack
1 Zuran Orb
1 Underworld Dreams
1 Engineered Plague
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
2 Bitterblossom
That, and probably also because it's a pretty rare card... Being a 20+ years old card, from Legends...Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
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Originally Posted by Hardcore
I would much rather play [card]Underworld Dreams[/card] than Iron Maiden. Making them take 3 damage for every brainstorm, treasure cruise, plus damage from their cantrips sounds good. I've seen some european pox lists running it.
I was thinking about that card, Underworld Dreams, as well. Ok, it's a bit harder to cast and a bit slower than Chains, but it does damage! So it's a wincon on it's own. It might be too slow tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by slylie
i used to prefer racks over underworld dreams but now that treasure cruise is everywhere, i think the meta would favor dreams over the doll(rack) in pox..i think its also worth taking note that the damage caused by underworld dreams can also be redirected to an opposing planeswalker..Quote:
Originally Posted by slylie
It is this 'ancestral recall' that has caused me to drop the almighty Hymn for more land kill. Sinkhole, Crucible, Ghost Quarter, Big Pox, Wasteland and Rancid Earth come to mind. Yay waste locking. I'd rather not use Rishadan Port as it doesn't quite 'destroy' mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
Anyone else know of efficient LD to clog the Treasure Cruisers? If only Rancid Earth wasn't so pricey mana wise lol. :laugh: I don't want to splash for Vindicate. Losing Dark Ritual is not an option for me.
in casual games, i had fun using misinformation and desolation against them:cool:..desolation renders our scrolls ineffective though:frown:..Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniStrata
Never thought about the redirected damage of dreams.to walkers good catch so maybe i ll play one dreams one chains in side.
at least dreams isn t too much expensive ahah
Desolation may be just the excuse I need to bring back Chimeric Idol! [lolz] I forget that I got copies of misinformation lying about and it will time walk your opponent for 3 turns if you land nuke hard enough. I also forgot it was instant and can be used to stuff Dredge when they try to dread return a target. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag