Awesome, you know what you're going to play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
Edit: basicly it should be able to beat Miracles, BUG Delver and OmniTell
Edit2: currently attending GP Utrecht. 45min till first legacy side event.
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Awesome, you know what you're going to play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
Edit: basicly it should be able to beat Miracles, BUG Delver and OmniTell
Edit2: currently attending GP Utrecht. 45min till first legacy side event.
Lucky you. What will you be playing at this side event ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Punishing Fire NicFit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
Currently packing 2 Stormbreath setup. No Kolaghans Command, mail didnt arive in time. Dropped Garruk and Edict for 2 Slaughter Games back to sideboard and now have 4 PFire main with 3 Liliana. Also running 2/2/2 split with basics.
Edit: finished with a dissappointing 2-3 swiss no top8. The opponents where real nice and all of them foreigners (me being Dutch). Facing 3 Americans, a Swedish and a Belgian.
R1 UW Landstill. 1-0-1 Super grindy G1. Casted thru Landstill a couple of times. G1 won on the back of Stormbreath and monstrous ability, setting up a Cabal Therapy naming Stifle. G2 he had 3 factories, but having 4 PFire helped here. Eventually i played Thrun and wad able to stall with him till draw.
R2 Rug Delver. G1 i was double stifled on my fetch and stuck with Mountain. G2 i was able to outgrind him and win with Stormbreath. Both Thragtusk and Humaster helped me stabilize and Extirpate on Bolt saved my ass. G3 i kept a 1 fetch hand hoping i didnt see Stifle, also i was out of focus cus i really needed to go take a piss.... he got the stifle and that was it.
R3 MUD. G1 and 2 i was able to setup a some blockers and land Liliana backed with deed, but that matchup is basicly a nightmare... figures....
R4 High Tide. Naming T1 on the play Brainstorm hit, i knew he wad on blue but not what. Seeing High Tide and Reset. Went for GSZ into DRS and Eternal Witness the Therapy. Drew another Therapy and landed Liliana. G2 i Thoughtseize, he counters and i land a Veteran outcof GSZ. I was holding 2 Slaughter Games and Liliana. Liliana landed and followed with Slaughter Games. He tried to combo on response but bricked. Me naming High Tide was enough.
R5 Burn. G1 I had a hand with no way to GSZ into lifegain in time. G2 was basicly the same. I was able to land Hunmaster and got rid of Eidolon. Also a second, but then he double Fireblast and landed 2 more Eidolon. Burn can be more easy, especially when i was playing 4 DRS main.
Overall i felt like i had better chances, but should have mulled against Burn and didnt have to punt RUG. MUD is bad anyway.
The 4 PFires main where awesome.
Again Stormbreath performed top notch.
The 2/2/2 basic land split was helping to Veteran Explorer into Stormbreath, but i feel it is tricky color screwing myself. I had games where Liliana was stuck at my hand.
If i have Kologhan's Command i will replace it with a PFire. It basicly it does the same and i didnt even need to do Groves + PFire a lot.
No further changes and will go again tomorow.
You can find a recent list here....Quote:
Originally Posted by MBSegal
@MBSegal: This deck has enough mana to drop Deeds quickly and Deed is a wonderful, versatile catch-all answer.
It also allows you to play the Deed-game, where your opponent keeps a minimal amount of pressure on the board and you handle their threats with your spot removal (or you just soak up some damage) without blowing up Deed. That gives you plenty of time to ramp into the fatties your opponent won't be able to handle. The other scenario is where your opponent overcommits on the board and you just blow it to all to hell at their declare attackers/EoT step.
Watching opponents squirm under a Deed is so delightful!
@MBSegal: Speaking from lots of experience, the deck NEEDS Deeds. The amount of games I have won on the back of Deeds alone is too many to count. Deeds in Scapewish is essentially a reset button of any pressure.
This is my current decklist that I have lots of success with:
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Wood Elves
1 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
3 Green Suns Zenith
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Thoughtseize
4 Burning Wish
1 Scapeshift
1 Diabloic Edict
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Senseis Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deeds
4 Taiga
2 Stomping Ground
3 Badland
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Mountain
2 Verdant Catacomb
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 Phyrexian Tower
Sideboard:
1 Reanimate
1 Cabal Therapy
2 Duress
1 Massacre
1 Pyroclasm
1 Scapeshift
1 Ruination (I have lots of 12post in my meta)
3 Slaughter Games
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Innocent Blood
The only cut I am thinking about is a -1 Sensei's Divining Top and +1 Slaughter Games (as long as OmniTell is rampant) in the main. 4 SDT I have been finding is too much. You WANT to draw one, but drawing multiples gets stupid (as it always is). 3 I feel is the perfect number. If I don't add the Slaughter Games, I would probably add another 3-5 drop creature with a good CiP trigger (Obstinate Baloth is what I am looking at).
Considering your experience with Scape, here are a few questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanzoll
- How do you feel about having only 9 (+phyrexian) black sources ? How much games did it screw you hard ?
- Have you ever been very light in red sources when scapeshifting, so that you think it is mandatory to play 11 mountains ?
- What wincon do you like the most in Scape ?
- Would you likely try something new (a different list than the one you are currently playing) ?
Thanks a lot !
I am going on a small casual legacy tournament and I'm was thinking on a different approach with my Abzan Two Towers sideboard. Since maindeck is really good against decks like DnT, Merfolks, and other tempo/aggro decks, main problem is combo.
With many games lost because of Dredge & Reanimator, and getting into Top4, I was thinking to give up on gravehate based on artifacts and enchantments, like RoP, RiP, Leyline and so on. Since now I can afford to have Containment Priests, I was thinking about getting three of those into sideboard. And two Dryad Militants against Dredge because the can't remove them at all after sieboarding.
Last deck that caused me problems was Infect, but after sideing in 2-3 Melira's, it was always 2:1 for me.
So, sideboard should look like this:
3x Melira (Infect)
3x Containment Priest (Dredge. Reanimator)
2x Dryad Militant (Dredge)
2x Engineered Plague (for punishing aggro)
1x Toxic Deluge (same)
1x Night of Souls' Betrayal (same)
2x Dread of Night (punishing DnT)
1x ???
Which left me with only one slot to fill in. Anyone fot any idea?
Could you also please post your MD, it will help to give better side options ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paranoid__Android
Don't you ever face any Omnitell ?
I could see playing an extraction effect:
- Stain the Mind
- Cranial Extraction
- Surgical Extraction / Extirpate
I would also hedge a bit with a golgari charm in the side instead of an engineered plague for more utility against other MUs.
3 Melira ? She is legendary. And she won't save you from a "submerge".
Why not trying something like:
- 1 krosan grip
- 1 Melira
- 1 Maze of Ith (and play a crop rotation somewhere in your 75)
The three of them are useful against Poison but not only.
Dread of Night is a really poor choice. You should already wreck D&T.
This could free up to 2 slots for more utility:
- a couple of discard
- a gaddock & a canonist
- a pair of "choke" against blue deck
- a pair of "carpet of flowers"
etc...
I totally forgot about Extirpate effects, damn! Well one must go in side then. :D
I was having two Meliras in side, because I was pissed when he Berserked my Melira and almost killed me, but then I drew nother one and then he conceded.
Dread of Night is for raping DnT only. But, maybe isn't necessary at all. We'll se. :D
Maindeck will be posted later, 'cause I'm in a big hurry going to work!
Hey Ralf, here are some answers to your questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
1) I honestly can't remember a time I got color screwed in either of my 3 colors. The only thing that really pops into my mind is just drawing poorly that would require a hand to be mulliganed.
2) Keeping track of your red sources is a very important thing, especially when you continuously draw into them. When that happens it is all a part of the game and therefore requires you to take a different line of play. For instance, if I have already drawed / played 4-5 red sources, I would try to jam a primeval titan rather than scapeshift because you can get more value from the primetime triggers over trying to force a scapwshift.
3) I barely win by Scapeshifting. The reason I love this deck so much is because it is control, mid-range, and has the ability to combo. For instance, 2 weeks ago I was playing against UWR delver and was able to wipe the board several times with Deeds / pyroclasm. In game 3 we go to time, and I'm at turn 4, and I was able to scapeshift kill him by drawing into a burning wish and dealt 36 damage....loved it! I took game 1 however just by jamming threats that clearly overrun UWR Delver (huntmaster, thragtusk, thrun, primeval titan)......with all that said, my favorite way of winning is by creatures. Winning by creatures mean the deck did what I needed it to do and I piloted it correctly. Getting lucky and winning in turn 4 of time is nice, but too much luck for my taste.
4) I have punishing Jund on MTGO as well, however I just don't feel it's as strong as scapewish. The thing I love most about it is the utility of the sideboard and to me, that suits my playstyle the best. I tried Junk, but felt like it didn't suit my playstyle.
Lucky you.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanzoll
I feel like I am often color screwed (mostly with black) post board when you need to fire off some discard spells.
11 mountains is a very stable number but I guess we might get the job done with only 10 while being careful on how we play our lands.
Your land count (23) is interesting. But only 2 "fetchs".
You and I are on the same boat as I ended up cutting 1 scape from MD a few months ago and playing only 2 between main & side.
When I was speaking of other Nic Fit lists, I meant other Scape ones.
Feel free to assess mine.
1 Karakas
1 Mountain
1 Stomping Ground
2 Bayou
2 Swamp
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
3 Forest
4 Badlands
4 Taiga
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Eternal Witness
1 Broodmate dragon
1 Master of the Wild Hunt
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Wood Elves
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Scapeshift
2 Thoughtseize
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Burning Wish
4 Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 1 Innocent Blood
SB: 1 Dryad Militant
SB: 1 Pyroclasm
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 1 Massacre
SB: 3 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 3 Slaughter Games
SB: 1 Scapeshift
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Cabal Therapy
Gotcha! Sorry, thought you meant other NicFit variants. I haven't really changed around the configuration of my deck that much. I generally stay with the 6 removal spells, 13-15 creatures (I think I'm at 14 right now)...between 4-6 discard spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
Getting screwed with colored sources in this should only happen by really bad draws or not sequencing your land drops / plays correctly...for reference, I would snap keep any hand that had forest, mountain/swamp and sakura tribe elder. Not only does this accelerate our mana, it also makes sure we hit the right land drops. Making sure I can cast all my spells is something I look for in my opening hand and make sure I sequence everything properly.
I agree about multiple Scapeshifts in the MD, having more than 1 is just unnecessary. Diabolic Intent serves as one, as does the 4 burning wishes...so essentially we are playing 6 copies in the MD which is more than enough to get there if needed.
I am currently trying to find a way for another fetchland to be in my configuration for the synergy with Top, however if you sequence your plays right you should have enough shuffle effects between explorers, sakura tribe elders, wood elves, etc.
I'm not sure if I would drop below 11 mountain sources. I am usually scapeshifting for 7 mountain 1 valakut if my opponent is above 18 life. Since I am in a waste heavy meta you never want to get screwed by searching up only 6 mountains and having them waste one with the triggers on the stack. You need a decent buffer for drawing into mountains.
As far as your list goes, the thing that stands out most is Karakas. If you aren't running Primeval Titan (2nd thing I see an issue with) then you have no way of fetching the Karakas.
I would also switch out the SB thoughtseizes for duresses. Another match-up that is really bad for us is burn, and my duresses come in against them. Any matchup where we would rather take a creature over duress is non-existent as we have other answers to those (deeds, decay, massacre, pyroclasm).
I really liked Dryad Militant when Treasure Cruise was abundant, but now that that phase of magic is over, I don't think she is as relevant and would be a meta call (similar to me having Ruination in my meta...which just picked up a very serious MUDPost player...)
Thanks for your reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanzoll
You wrote diabolic edict in your list (not diabolic intent). I didn't understand at the first glance.
Well, Titania + Prime+ Karakas was a hedge against Emmy.decks.
Prime is gone as the meta is more centered around Omnitell.
Nevertheless, I really like the synergy with Titania. But you are right. I'll cut the karakas.
Titania is a house. I've been killing half of my time with Titania + Scape rather than Scape + Valakut.
Dryad is still in SB to fight the DTT area...coming right after the TC area.
I won't leave home without it. Not to mention, that we have some Storm and Dredge players around here...
Burn was not a concern, if I remember the last game I had against it, but it was when we were still playing 2 Thragtusk.
[QUOTE=Bobmans;884524]Cool, which one? The PFire list or the 4c Rector Strix list that was dicussed last posts (a little)?
Tasigur, i haven't played the card yet.
The PFJund list. I have play some myself but with 2 huntermasters. I really like the cretures in the deck and Vraska is a good card in this deck made me buy one.
I haven't get "online" with Tasigur in PFJund. I have only played one match(UWR controll) and he countered or kill it everytime. Maybe is a good thing, they must kill it or die.
Bobman: Remove Tower? Sometimes Is really good at the start of the game and some times not.
Currently i have been running 2x Stormbreath Dragon and up untill now they are performing outstanding. I only lost once against an Emrakul after it was resolved, but other then that it has raced DnT, UW Landstill, Reanimator, RUG Delver and SneakShow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganfar
So for now i will keep this configuration. Tasigur is on the list of things to play. Currently i am selling of my Miracles portion of my collection along with all the UWR attched cards and i am nearly back on Ugb cards only missing Trops. When i am back at it i am going to build a BUG list and try it in there. Not sure if it will be NicFit, UGB Landstill, Control or Delver.
2 Huntmasters are really good. I played 2 when Treasure Cruise was hot. Then there where lot of decks that suffered from Huntmaster and when it started flipping it was game. Mostly they got rid of nr1 fast but nr2 sticked. Now i feel Thrun is in a better meta and i needed room for Strombreath to experiment.
I am testing this list seems ok :
There are a lot of synergie dust bowl+veteran explorer+titania.
Pyro/reb/bolt+witness/den protector what makes the deck good.
It seems to lack some answers to TNN though.
4 Pyroblast
3 Red Elemental Blast
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Eternal Witness
3 Den Protector
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Engineered Explosives
1 Sylvan Library
2 Titania, Protector of Argoth
3 Dust Bowl
2 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
5 Forest
5 Mountain
2 Windswept Heath
SB: 2 Sulfur Elemental
SB: 2 Blood Moon
SB: 4 Pyroclasm
SB: 3 Trinisphere
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Sylvan Library
Not playing lumberjack is so wrong it is so much better with titania and better vs random
4 Pyroblast
3 Red Elemental Blast
4 Eternal Witness
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Den Protector
2 Lightning Bolt
4 Orcish Lumberjack
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Veteran Explorer
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Sudden Shock
2 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Forest
4 Mountain
2 Windswept Heath
3 Dust Bowl
2 Bloodstained Mire
SB: 3 Sulfur Elemental
SB: 2 Blood Moon
SB: 3 Pyroclasm
SB: 3 Trinisphere
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Reclamation Sage
Stormbreath Drgon is awesome. I have talked with my other legacy friends and they say nothing stops the dragonQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
I was anti-courser of kruphix first but when I saw our decklist, why not? Witness is not good now after deathrite came and there's no good three drop for nic-fit then courser. It's works well with top as well.
Have been working on Japanese JUNK list. Progress near completion. I just need to settle on some solid sideboard cards. Tomorow i am gonna play JUNK on the GP Utrecht. Have been playing PFire today and last thursday. Friday i toke MUD for a spin, but regretted it. Now i have JUNK complete (again) i just want to feel how it will be in comparison to JUND NicFit.
List so far:
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Path to Exile
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Liliana of the Veil: Considering 1x Dragonlord Dromoka and 1x Council's Judgment instead.
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower
// board
2 Thoughtseize
3 Extirpate: Considering 1x Dryad Militant instead.
1 Memoricide
1 Golgari Charm
1 Krosan Grip
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Pithing Needle
2 Containment Priest
3 Carpet of Flowers
Containment Priest. There has been A LOT Elves, Reanimate, MUD, DnT and SneakShow in Utrecht so far.
Intent + Recurring Nightmare. I wanted room for more pressure and utility creatures searchable with GSZ. Teeg mainboard improves ANT and is solid vs Miracles. Also 2 DRS and 1 Scooze because of Reanimator and a little but still fanatics playing Dredge and TinFins. Also DRS (basicly i want 4 in there) help me outgrind Burn.
Liliana of the Veil. The last couple of days i have resolved her and win several games with her help. I noticed that, while PFire interactions makes us play her, i never actually did more then 1 Grove + Pfire while upping her. It was not needed so i might just try her in JUNK.
Council's Judgement. I actually want to put a singleton of that card in my 76 somewhere but can't figur in what spot. Obviously if it replaces a Liliana then i would want to replace the 2nd Liliana with Vraska.
Thoughts anyone?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganfar
Today i have resolved the Dragon several times including BantStoneblade, DnT and BUG Delver. It immediatly made impact to the board and most of the times i was able to Monstrous it 2 turns later. It is sooooo awesome.
I had a love/hate relation with Witness, but finally we are getting on the right track together. I have been doing more "little" tricks with her like casting it just to make an extra Therapy cast or just to get a Abrupt Decay back on hand for something that wasn't even there yet and it was very good. Also resolving Witness against combo to retrive a Extirpate or Slaughter Games is awesome. DRS bothers, but mostly PFire has to solve it asap. DRS is not to big of a thing here. Many different decks are played here.
Play the militant bobmans its worth the slot and good in matches you wouldnt bring extripate effects in.