Streaming the Legacy DE with #Elves! Join us over at http://twitch.tv/itsJulian and let's have some fun trying out Zombie's tech of Bitterblossom!
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Streaming the Legacy DE with #Elves! Join us over at http://twitch.tv/itsJulian and let's have some fun trying out Zombie's tech of Bitterblossom!
I'm at work and cant watch :cry:. But please do let us know how that tech works out!
I know its only been a day roughly, any thing to share on Bitterblossom? I tired it online, but never found any relevant match ups where I would want it anyway.
Our resident control player went to play board games, and from what I could see it didn't get to do any work vs. Miracles on stream either.
Im curious about those Bitterblossom. Can u guys tell me how does it work against other matchups? not only miracles?
I understand the logic behind BB, but why would our deck need it? We already play 30 creatures. Yes you can rebuild with a single BB after a sweeper, but you can also rebuild with a single Elf if you're playing Jitte. I really think we're missing Jitte from the aggro equation, not more dudes. My plan for like a year against Miracles has been Jitte and Sylvan Library which is now supplemented by Needle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berger
Would you share your board? And do you put Jitte or Library into any other match up?Quote:
Originally Posted by igri_is_a_bk
Jitte could be pretty amazing. I'll test the Blossoms some anyway just to see what's up, even if it's nothing. I fucking hate that Terminus is a shuffle and not a destroy, Oath of Ghouls would be hilarious otherwise. But yeah, Library and Jitte does seem solid and has better applications vs. Delver and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by igri_is_a_bk
I do not see why Jitte should be so amazing against miracle?
To have any effect it should have counters, and then boost a creature which should not be killed. It seems narrow for me.
Library/choke/winter orb/planeswalkers are all great cards against miracle. The problem is that they are almost only good against miracle (except choke).
I like Winter Orb in a variety of fair match ups, but probably not something I'd choose over other cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
Top 4 split the 100+ man 40 duals event in Coopersburg PA today. Played against BUG delver, Death and Taxes, Lands, RUG delver(?), Lands again. Double ID later played RUG delver for entry into top 4.
A Comedy Of Errors:
4x Deathrite Shaman
1x Llanowar Elves
4x Quirion Ranger
4x Wirewood Symbiote
4x Elvish Visionary
2x Birchlore Rangers
3x Heritage Druid
4x Nettle Sentinel
2x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Viridian Shaman
4x Gaea's Cradle
2x Dryad Arbor
2x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
2x Forest
2x Misty Rainforest
3x Windswept Heath
2x Verdant Catacombs
4x Glimpse of Nature
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Natural Order
Sideboard
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Progenitus
2x Pithing Needle
3x Swan Song
3x Thoughtseize
2x Disfigure
1x Scavenging ooze
Oozes, Quirion ranger, and Viridian Shaman MVPs. Disfigure killed delvers often enough to let my engines take over. See you guys at SCG Somerset
Last week, I played in a 10-man legacy event in our local store and I won my three initial rounds and then drew in the last round.
In sequence, these were the matchups:
Round 1: Dredge
Game 1: He was able to strip my hand of two natural orders and one green sun zenith but he had only a narcomeba and some dredgers in the graveyard. With a few creatures in play and a Gaea's cradle, I topdeck a visionary to a scavenging ooze and promptly ate the relevant spells in his graveyard. He scoops as the ooze became a 6/6 all of a sudden.
Game 2: Turn-2 Elesh Norn sucks.
Game 3: I was able to kill him on turn 3 with NO to hoof. Prior to that, I used two thoughtseizes to remove relevant card draw spells.
Round 2: SnT
Game 1: I needed one more turn to attack or lethal but he then goes for a sneak attack into Griselbrand into Emrakul.
Game 2: Nothing much. He was stuck on two lands as I went for a turn 4 kill.
Game 3: Ruric Thar won me the game (though I'm not sure about Ruric being good against SnT. Need feedback on this).
Round 3: UG Infect
Game 1: He only casted two hierarchs while I go for a turn 3 NO kill.
Game 2: I died pretty quickly due to 2 invigorates on a blighted agent (unblockable infect dude)
Game 3: I was able to use two abrupt decays to kill two infect creatures and that bought me time to hard-cast Craterhoof.
Round 4: BUG (non-Shardless) ID
If I may ask, what is the gameplan against BUG? They have a lot of boardwipe when it's Game 2 and 3 in the form of Toxic Deluge and Golgari Charm. Is N O-Prog the main gameplan?
This is the decklist I've been piloting for over a month now. (61 cards by the way)
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Wirewood Symbiote
4x Elvish Visionary
4x Quirion Ranger
3x Nettle Sentinel
4x Heritage Druid
1x Birchlore Rangers
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Scavenging Ooze
2x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Ruric Thar, the Unbowed.
4x GSZ
4x Glimpse of Nature
3x Natural Order
2x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
2x Misty Rainforest
2x Forest
2x Dryad Arbor
4x Gaea's Cradle
Sideboard:
3x Abrupt Decay
3x Swan Song
1x Cabal Therapy
3x Thoughtseize
1x Tormod's Crypt
2x Pithing Needle
1x Natural Order
1x Progenitus
I have been having success vs BUG and JUND by adding World Spine Wurm for Natural Order, as I found they could sometimes afford to Toxic Deluge Progenitus away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanley
Yesterday I won a small local tournament! Let me start the decklist with my sideboard:Quote:
Originally Posted by t3hdh
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Gaddog Teeg
1 Natural Order
1 Progenitus
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Thoughtseize
1 WORLDSPINE WURM
Maindeck:
1 Birchlore Rangers
2 Craterhoof Behemoth
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Elvish Visionary
2 'Llanowar Elves Or Functional Reprint Of It' (I refer to it as LEOFROI personally)
3 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Viridian Shaman
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Glimpse Of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order
2 Bayou
2 Dryad Arbo[u]r
2 Forest
4 Gaea's Cradle
1 Savannah
9 'Fetchlands'
Played this sunday in Antwerp. In the store there was also The Belgian Blegh-Ih-Oh Championship. I'm not sure if the montly Blegh-Ih-Oh constructed therefore fired nor the Vanguard, but we had 11 dedicated Magic Players who came to play Legacy, including 2 foreigners if you include me (but since I live 6 km from the border, considering me a foreigner is a tad... well you know / can gather how borderlife feels) - the other a Brussels based Italian, hèhè.
Here's how the caper came down :).
Round 1 vs Ronan - Mono Red Goblins
I met Ronan two months ago. Since then I've seen him in a Mox Trial I went to in Ghent as well. The stores we play in have a ranking and currently he is level 1 - just like me. This means we both can win something in a raffle and if we go to an Open Event we get a Coca Cola product free. Great. But how did the match fare?
Well, Game 1 I went off with Glimpse Of Nature after he had Sharpshooter online. 1-0.
Game 2 I think I NO--> Progetinus when he fetched Sharpshooter. 2-0.
Basicly vs Goblins it's all about the Sharpshooter and I think I now know how an ANT player feels when pressured by aggro or combo :).
Macthresult: 1-0 (2-0)
Round 2 vs Nick - U/B Reanimator
Apparently Nick is a friend of the next two opponents I would play and this was his first tournament. I heard he wanted to play R/B Reanimator but was convinced by them he should play Blue/Black. I dunno, man.
I think I went off with Glimpse game 2 and game 1 I guess I played Craterhoof hardcasted? Just attacked with elves and such? i dunno. Anyhow:
Matchresult 2-0 (4-0)
Round 3 vs Johan - U/B Reanimator
Notice a trend here? Well. I think I won game 1, lost game 2 and eventually we went to time in game 3 and Johan concluded that he shouldn't play SnT to put his Griselbrand, because that way he could lose if I had a Progenitus, Worldspine Wurm or even Craterhoof: he had Iona out and a 1/1 was at 6 and I was at 20 with a Scavenging Ooze with a counter on it, Dryad Arbour and Visionary out, I think. Yeah. So combat math makes if he attacked with Iona he would lose due to ScOoze eating the two dead 1/1's.
... Now I didn't have a fattie in hand, so he could play the Show and Tell, but even then: another 1/1 wouldn't change combat much if even (does it? It wasn't my choice to offer a draw :)... Anyhow. We drew. See the end result why this was good for both of us.
Matchresult: 2-0-1 (5-2-1)
Round 4 vs Steve (pronounced like you think) - U/B Reanmator
Steve sort of excused him for the bad matchup when he won round 1 smilingly.
I thoughtseized him twice in game 1, then he Show And Tell his Iona and I my Progenitus. Good game, dude. 1-1.
Round 3 I sort of went the control-aggro route with some discard and a Massacre from his side somewhere near the end. I proceded to hardcast a Craterhoof eventually and took the game down. 2-0.
Endresult: 3-0-1 (7-3-1)
Now, Johan from the round before also ended 3-0-1 and Steve ended 3-0. In the end I won because Johan played vs the last ranked player.
Looking back, this mean Johan went from level 1 to level 2, I think and kept Steve just at level 5. I guess that's why Johan didn't want to risk a loss. Hehe :). And to be fair: every Reanimator player who thinks Elves is a pushover should be punished. Like Steve. So there :D.
... But hey: I won twice and drew once agains Reanimator. That's enough reason for Elves to win a tourney, right?!? :D
It was the national yu-gi-oh championship ^^
Friend of me was playing there ended 4th^^
So with that in mind, i should tormod's for worldspine? How about a second ooze?
I've been running Ooze main for a reasonable amount of time, never disappointing to see it honestly. I was on the verge of cutting it back to the board before having a run of success with it on MODO. For anyone that hasn't tried it or never felt the need too, I consider having it along the same reasoning as having Viridian Shaman main. So many game 1's turned around by this guy. Needless to say it will accompany me main deck to my next legacy outing the 31st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammit67
I am interested in that 2nd Ooze in your board. Looks like you played a good amount of decks that 2 Oozes would be amazing against. I may consider it.
When WsW came around for the SnT mu I immediately tried it against JUND and various other non-white decks. Thing is, I realized I never really struggled with JUND unless they got the god hand of some combination of multiple thoughtseize + hymn, with Pfire + grove and Lili as the icing on the cake (This only happened once). But I didn't think about the Toxic Deluge having less success against WsW versus Progenitus. Honestly I haven't come across this situation either, but its nice to have the thought for consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by t3hdh
Scavenging Ooze > Tormod's Crypt
Personally I would rather swap my Gaddog Teeg out for a 2nd ScOoze in the board.
Worldspine Wurm is our castlebale version of a SnT-wrecker which also is great as a 2nd (or 1st, depending on the matchup) Progenitus. And 11 mana is actually hardcastable in Elves!
I was fortunate to have played against decks I hedged against with disfigures and Oozes. I loved how the Oozes and the disfigures force the delver decks to play a slower game, a grinder game. As soon as I can force them into that game plan, deathrite and untaps take over if symbiote/visionary or natural order haven't yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by yaWgnorW
It was exactly as you said: So many game 1 dynamics turn on their head by having access to it via GSZ. Ruric Thar wasn't as impressive for me so at first I was trying out Ezuri, renegade leader in hopes to find him an all in one answer to rough/tumble or golgari charm but he was incredibly lackluster.
I don't expect people to play lands twice at their next 7 round event, but delver a couple times +/- 1 graveyard deck? Sure.
Regarding Ruric Thar, and I say this knowing there are many Ruric Thar supporters here, I just can't get on the main deck Ruric kick. Game 1 has never brought me a Ruric win, whereas 2 & 3 have. I do acknowledge it's strengths, I'm just the player that never got to witness it. The only reason I tried out Ezuri was to have a low cost GSZ target for those grindy, high removal based games. He served his purpose for that but was once again cut as it was inconsistent (some point early last year I did this). I just found myself wanting to GSZ for either part of the best friends combo more, which to me often proved the stronger, more consistent choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammit67
Anyway, the disfigures your running are interesting. Another consideration to look into. To be honest I'm going to be focusing on this Sylvan Library stuff spoken about on the previous page before testing anything else.
I think the point of having Ruric Thar is simply to have an answer against the worst matchups of elves (combo decks especially ANT and TES). It's more of a meta-based decision if one wants to utilize Ruric. Since my meta has people playing combo decks all the time, I find Ruric more of a beneficial utility creature than a liability in competing against these decks. If you wish to fight the combo decks by hoping to just having the faster hand then I guess that's fine. Mainly, it fills the same role as having a maindeck Scavenging Ooze or a Viridian Shaman in having an out against specific matchups that otherwise you might have difficulty with.
Alright.
Spring is coming after the harsh Canadian winters and I'm out of my igloo to teach you what my reclusive winter brought me.
I've read a lot of the post, and had to restrain myself not to comment.
Ruric Thar MD; Metagame dependant? Yay and Nay. In a blind meta, he's in. In a known meta, it's debatable. End of argument.
3 or 4 Natural Orders? : 3. If you feel like 4, sure.
Should I ask Julian to sign my deck? Why not? All the bitches are running after him. Just be one of the bitches.
Viridian Shaman MD? : Yep. Im 100% behind it.
But in all honesty, I was hoping that our beloved green dudes would stay under the radar for another month or two.
@Julian : Found a foil to send you back ;)
Step1: Treat them as the ladies they are! [@ 3:58m]Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayradis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3ILZ9rHR8#t=3m59s
Now you got me at the edge of my seat, man!Quote:
@Julian : Found a foil to send you back ;)
Who knows? Next tourney I might play my U/R Delver deck. I actually just ordered a Snapcaster Mage which I will pick up in the LGS when I go to there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayradis
It's not an awesome build, if I pick up some Steam Vents in between then and now I can put my 4 Wirewood Foothills in there. Yeah, no, it won't be the most competative deck in the field, but in that case I won't be playing Elves! :D
Oh. I might add I sort of won that Snapcaster Mage (and a few uncommons) by piloting Elves to #1 this sunday. :)
Time for an update!
Spent 4 hours in the chair last Saturday.
The leg still hurt a bit.
But jeez. Can't wait for it to be done!
http://i.imgur.com/ypPkRE0.jpg
That still amazes me. You are nuts, but it looks dam sick all the same.
Wow sweeet.
Full of collors it will look awesome.
But... I see the DRS and LLanowar. But what card is the Girl?
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/zen/170.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Togores
Nice tatoo :D
Nissa Revane Alt. Art!
I'm looking for another NO target besides Progenihoof, what would you guys recommend?
TES/ANT is literally nonexistent in my playgroup, so Ruric Thar is a more debatable choice I guess.
Currently thinking about Hornet Queen or Terastodon but additional suggestions would be appreciated.
I like the queen for eldrazi defense and air superiority, it also plays well with cradle but is rather defensive.
The elephant has a lot utility but often fails to make its offensive pressure matter.
Why you want a third one in the first place? Whats your meta look like if combo is not a big player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylphnir
My meta is a bloody mess. To give an example here are the 15 decks of our last meeting:
Ally/Sneak&Show/Pox/Lands/Affinity/Reanimator/RUG Delver/Turbo Eldrazi/MUD/Overburden Bounce/Miracles/Bird Token/Elves/Dragon Stompy/Goblins.
Problem is we often don't play multiple games vs the same opponent but rather battle royale style multiple opponents in short succession and ocassionally even mix in multiplayer.
Because of this sideboarding is less relevant but the mainboard needs to be as flexible as possible while still being consistent.
Given that you play really differently I'm not sure it would help you a lot, but I always play 1 Hoof / 1 Regal Force MD (and 1 Ruric MD or SB, 1 Proge SB).
Regal is really good, a bit easier to cast/GSZ than behemoth, and I do not remember the last time I lost after it hit play.
Streaming the Legacy DE with #Elves! Join us at twitch.tv/itsJulian for some Legacy action + Impossible Mario Games.. :eek::eek::eek:
Talking about at Regal Force again? I feel like I did nothing else in 2013. Card is pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
@discussed metagame:
So you do not play matches but single games only?? I would play Belcher then ;)
I see Disfigure, let me know how you like themQuote:
Originally Posted by Julian23
To Meciek Berger.
Im going to play tomorrow your list from the BOM.
2 questions^^
Any changes that I should made?
Was only 1 basic forest good enought? Im littl worried about this.
Thanks
Perhaps the other possible NO targets are Worldspine Wurm and maybe.... Elderscale Wurm? :s
I've run maindeck Terastodon but it's more of a metacall. I believe it is terrific against fringe decks like MuD and Turbo- Eldrazi but terrible against dredge and delver decks.
We have a new friend: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/ma...clamation-sage
Reclamation Sage 2G
Creature - Elf Shaman
When Reclamation Sage enters the battlefield, you may destroy target artifact or enchantment
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