Would you mind elaborating on what went wrong? Without knowing what happened, I feel like Elesh Norn seems like a one-shot against the deck. Countermagic's a problem, but what else is new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vissah
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Would you mind elaborating on what went wrong? Without knowing what happened, I feel like Elesh Norn seems like a one-shot against the deck. Countermagic's a problem, but what else is new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vissah
Game 1 I won pretty easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Deuce
In game 2 and 3 not a lot went wrong because I could not get the engine going. Some bad dredges and draws, these things happen so it was no big deal.
I was just thinking of some good cards to board in that is why Indecided to ask here if I made a mistake in the cards I boarded in.
I have to say that the whole evening Firestorm was an all star and is my favorite sideboard card for now.
Against aluren, I board like against every other blue drs deck. They try to disrupt our engine with flusterstorm, force, drs and other graveyard hate. We should be able to disrupt their combo with therapies enough to not worry about it if everything goes right, because their combo is much slower than ours and they should mulligan for disruption, not a fast combo. The only scary thing is, that they are more likely to have cages/relics than other blue drs decks. So I think that it is fine to board in one grudge.
I'm still not a fan of boarding in grudges vs blue drs decks, because they often only have one target, but aluren also has ballistas and strixes in addition to 2 artifact based hate.
Alluren doesnt run ballistas. That's food chain.
Oh, oops. Yeah, they are basically the same decks for us anyways.
Thanks Orim67!Quote:
Originally Posted by Orim67
Going to my next FNM next week and I will definitly keep that in mind.
I`m going to play as much Legacy if not only Legacy this year because I`m going to Eternal Weekend in Yokohama in August and the Legacy GP in Shizuoka in December so I can use all the help and practise I can get :D
I understand trying to think of cards that come in based on match, I'm actually a little lost on which come out. Like what are the weakest links. Is it always Putrid Imp? Seems like what I end up cutting most.
I like to cut some Putrid Imps when I board in firestorms because they both only work as a discard outlet and having 8 of that effect seems too many. But it both are probably your best turn 1 play vs blue deathrite decks.
Other than that, you can probably trim an Ichorid, a dredger and a breakthrough.
It really depends on the matchup, some therapies can come out vs chalices and you can board in at least one dread return to sacrifice your creatures. street wraiths aren't necessary vs decks that don't target our dredgers, but fine if we want to go fast. Some Ichorids obviously come out vs fast combo. I never cut narcos, bridges, lootings, or LEDs.
In a fair match-up, I'm not sure Ashen Rider is necessary, I tend to go with 1 DR targeting GGT in the main too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phthisis
Ashen Rider for me is a catch-all for stuff like Glacial Chasm, Ensnaring Bridge, Moat, Show n Tell etc.. I very rarely play it TBH, as most of the opponents I face tend to run proper hate that needs an answer that doesn't rely on Dread Return, or non-terminal stuff like Surg Ext. or DRS.
Yeah, Lands is next level suck. I name Crop Rotation every chance I get, and generally try to land as many zombie tokens as I can ASAP. I'm not sure if this is the best or worst way to play against lands to be fair, as I don't tend to play against them much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phthisis
Any one got a proven tactic to play against Lands?
I do often bring in Ashen Rider as a catch-all, but I don't think I've ever actually DR'd it for any reason besides to cast DR for bridge zombies in a game I was definitely winning and just had to target something with DR. I feel like removing Ashen Rider from the deck is a huge mistake, but at the same time it has never been the difference in a match, though I get the feeling that is just due to the matchups I've faced.Quote:
Originally Posted by slave
I happen to be in a very Lands-heavy meta, so I'm also interested if anyone has any good strategies against the deck.
My current approach has been to bring in graveyard hate (Faerie Macabre or Leyline of the Void) and Ashen Rider. The plan is to apply the minimal but non-negligible amount of pressure to minimize the damage of a Bojuka Bog (and also hopefully force it early with a Cabal Therapy) while hopefully restricting any recursion/toolbox stuff off the graveyard hate. And then Ashen Rider can take care of Glacial Chasm or Tabernacle or Marit Lage in a pinch.
I am really interested in Silent Gravestone, though, since it not only disables hate, but also actively nerfs cards like Deathrite Shaman. Having both Silent Gravestone and Leyline of the Void could hit Lands pretty hard, I think, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to build a sideboard with both, a good idea to weaken the deck by bringing both in, or worth potentially disabling access to Dread Return/Ashen Rider.
I will probably be playing Dredge in the Philly SCG Team Open, and I really wish there was more time to test with Silent Gravestone.
I just got my 4 Silent Gravestone!
I tossed them in the board to test at the LGS tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by ntropy
Please let us knwo because I`m thinking of jsut getting four of them this week just to be sure.
Does it shut down anything that we play or do?
It shuts down Dread Return, so don't board in both at the same time. I think its ability to shut off DRS and Surgical are worth it, and it may help a little in the Reanimator match-up (which I expect to face at my LGS) I put 4 in the board over 2x Faerie Macabre, 1 Memory's Journey, and 1x Firestorm. This is probably not correct, but I just wanted to jam them in. vs Reanimator, I will probably bring them in alongside my Iona and Ashen Rider, but leave out the DRs. Gravestone turns off reanimate and animate dead, and Exhume will hopefully net me a critter as well.
Thanks for the explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntropy
Yeah I'm keen to know how it goes too. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ntropy
I think that it is fine to board dread return and gravestone in. You should be favored when you resolve gravestone so that you don't need dread return and it is not too bad to have 2 dead cards in your graveyard. Whe you don't draw gravestone, you might still want to have dread return.
That being said, there are likely not many matchups where you want both in your deck and that would be a lot of cards that don't advance your main gameplan. Maybe against Reanimator? Elves?
i would keep 1 dread return in the deck, even with the gravestones. the payoff is worth it if the gravestone isn't in play and there's always chances that gravestones get blown up or countered.
Unfortunately, I audibled to a different deck based on turnout. I did poorly, should have stuck with it! I will share any testing insights I gain along the way though!
I tried out a 4 Silent Gravestone sideboard tonight. Played a bunch of burn, of all matchups, but did get to play some post-board games against sultai delver. Sideboarded in 3 Firestorm and 4 Silent Gravestone. Unfortunately, it literally never mattered in any of the games I played. The only time I drew it and played it and it shut down something, it was a later-game Deathrite Shaman that would have done nothing anyway.
My current viewpoint is that in a void, Silent Gravestone is not clearly better or worse than Faerie Macabre or Memory's Journey. Each has their upsides and downsides. The upsides to Silent Gravestone are that it can be a kind of proactive hate card against Deathrite Shaman decks, as well as actually stopping Surgical Extraction as opposed to just being able to fizzle it by removing the target (which is relevant as people often target a card you actively want to use). The big downside to Silent Gravestone is that it is criminally easy to deal with compared to Memory's Journey and especially Faerie Macabre.
Ultimately I think it's going to be fine and potentially good in a Deathrite-heavy meta, as long as it stands as a kind of "gotcha" card, where they are not expecting it and may not have sided in an answer. I think if an opponent ever has reason to suspect Silent Gravestone, it's not going to be a good enough card.
Personally I'm still on the fence about what exactly my list will be for the Philadelphia SCG Open.
hi Everyone. Ive just started to pick up legacy recently and have been looking at Dredge not only because of cheaper cost but the metagame effect if players get greedy on graveyard hate.
my goal is to get good enough at the deck to win most of my matches come March and the team open.
Ive been testing this list a little bit online, took it from Eruxus. Went 4-1 in a league, but im honestly not sure on sideboarding.
I was wondering if you guys could please help me understand sideboarding for certain matchups.
Especially grixis delver and other top tier decks. Especially the gravestone, does that card come in alot?
Thank you so much:)
My list for reference
3 Breakthrough
4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Careful Study
3 Cephalid Coliseum
4 City of Brass
1 Dread Return
4 Faithless Looting
2 Gemstone Mine
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
3 Golgari Thug
3 Ichorid
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Mana Confluence
4 Narcomoeba
2 Prized Amalgam
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Street Wraith
1 Ashen Rider
1 Dread Return
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Firestorm
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
3 Silent Gravestone
3 Wear // Tear