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August 26, ネメシスレガシー - 晴れる屋大阪店, 39 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Sneak & Show 3.) Goblins 4.) Burn 5.) ANT 6.) Mono U Control/Dark Depths 7.) U/R OmniTell 8.) ANT

August 31-September 1, Grand Prix Richmond, 842 players: 1.) Miracles 2.) Lands 3.) Miracles 4.) Death's Shadow 5.) RUG Delver 6.) U/W Stoneblade 7.) Eldrazi 8.) Grixis Control 9.) Grixis Control 10.) U/W Stoneblade/Delver 11.) Grixis Delver 12.) Eldrazi 13.) Grixis Control 14.) RUG Delver 15.) Death's Shadow 16.) Grixis Delver

I wasn't sure whether to put Turtenwald's U/W Stoneblade/Delver as UWx Stoneblade or UWR Delver so I put it as a separate thing. If ppl disagree with that, lemme know.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Let's define legacy in very clear terms*:
It's a two Hymn format. You have actual Hymn and blue-Hymn (Counterbalance). (...)
*this is secondary analysis to legacy just being cantrip cartel/FoW vs Cavern/Vial vs Loam/Mox vs Sol Land/Chalice

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Originally Posted by thecrav

4 Counterbalance in the top 8.
8 Delvers
22 Ponder
24 Brainstorm
Counterbalance is breaking the format.
Fuck, I wish I could be drunk enough to think that.

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Funny, I thought that

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

We have a thread for this talk, it ain't in here.

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Originally Posted by Lava Snacks

What's going on with the pointy ears? In the last three weeks, they have fewer points than Pox; it's been a pretty big drop-off. I mean, Elves was a good deck before DRS. Did the banning really hurt them that much?

Looking at the top-performing decks right now, it doesn't look that hostile, even if there's a lot of stuff like Miracles and Show & Tell, not that I'm an Elves expert. Bad combo match ups like Storm and Reanimator aren't super common. Plenty of good match ups like Death & Taxes and Grixis Delver. I'm curious if people aren't playing it (and why, and it's warranted), or if people are playing it but losing (and why). I actually have no idea how Elves does against the new bois Grixis Control and Death's Shadow.

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Well, Brad Bonin's top 8 profile from the GP helped to answer my question. Ouch.

https://i.imgur.com/ylpXRTp.png

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August 26, London Legacy Monthly Aug 2018 @ London, 39 players: 1.) Sapphire Control 2.) Punishing Maverick 3.) Goblins 4.) Death's Shadow 5.) Tin Fins Depths 6.) OmniTell w/ Sneak 7.) Death's Shadow 8.) Death's Shadow

August 30, LML Sétima Etapa @ UG Cardshop, 37 players: 1.) OmniTell 2.) Esperblade 3.) Burn 4.) U/W Stoneblade 5.) B/R Reanimator 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) Merfolk 8.) RUG Delver

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Originally Posted by Fox

It's a two Hymn format. You have actual Hymn and blue-Hymn (Counterbalance).

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I'm tempted to get some Counterbalances altered now. Not that I'd ever play them.

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September 2, MTGO Challenge, 80 players: 1.) Big Eldrazi 2.) ANT 3.) Miracles 4.) Grixis Control 5.) Elves 6.) Lands 7.) Grixis Control 8.) BUG Control 9.) BUG Loam 10.) Elves 11.) Miracles 12.) Grixis Control 13.) Lands 14.) Turbo Depths 15.) Sneak & Show 16.) Lands

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September 1, Known Magicians Clan - 99th, 83 players: 1.) Maverick 2.) Lands 3.) Grixis Control 4.) Death & Taxes 5.) U/W Stoneblade 6.) Grixis Control 7.) ANT 8.) ANT

September 2, 晴れる屋レガシー杯クラシック, 66 players: 1.) Infect 2.) U/R Delver 3.) Sneak & Show 4.) Dark Depths 5.) Sneak & Show 6.) U/R Delver 7.) Miracles 8.) RUG Delver

Just want to say thanks for compiling all of this, it's really useful.

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Originally Posted by Whitefaces

Just want to say thanks for compiling all of this, it's really useful.

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Yeah, same here. Thanks!:smile::smile:

So can we already conclude, that DRS-ban actually hurt non-blue creature decks the most because they lost their best card while Blue Midrange/Tempo only lost their best creature (3rd best spell maybe?).

I am glad the ban-mob had it right again...

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Originally Posted by MorphBerlin

So can we already conclude, that DRS-ban actually hurt non-blue creature decks the most because they lost their best card while Blue Midrange/Tempo only lost their best creature (3rd best spell maybe?).

I am glad the ban-mob had it right again...

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Not true. Pre-ban goblin isn't a viable option in Legacy. Now you can day 2 in a GP with Goblins.

i'm quite pleased w/ the bannings. unfortunately the best deck against the cantrip decks is boring. (eldrazi).

probe was a nice change for the format. DRS will take more time to flesh it out, but i think the format has generally opened up.

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Originally Posted by Whitefaces

Just want to say thanks for compiling all of this, it's really useful.

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Originally Posted by Elfkid

Yeah, same here. Thanks!:smile::smile:

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I'm really glad it's been useful to people :smile:

OP updated (both the total, and the most recent block of time, as usual):

August 26, 4° Liga Paulista @ Epic Game (São Paulo, Brazil), 50 players: 1.) Esperblade 2.) BUG Control 3.) Sneak & Show 4.) Burn 5.) Elves 6.) Grixis Control 7.) Ooze Reanimator 8.) U/W Landstill

September 2, Swiss Magic Masters 2018 @ Interlaken, 80 players: 1.) Infect 2.) Death's Shadow 3.) ANT 4.) Miracles 5.) Dragon Stompy 6.) Enchantress 7.) Dark Depths 8.) Death's Shadow

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August 25, Nerd Rage Gaming Championship Trial, 90+ players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Eldrazi 3.) Death & Taxes 4.) Enchantress 5.) ANT 6.) Grixis Control 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) B/R Reanimator

Total and recent rankings in OP updated

September 9, MKM Series Paris 2018 - Legacy Main Event, 194 players: 1.) Miracles 2.) Death & Taxes 3.) U/R Delver 4.) U/B OmniTell 5.) Grixis Control 6.) Maverick 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) Grixis Control

September 9, MTGO Challenge, 82 players: 1.) Death's Shadow 2.) Grixis Delver 3.) Grixis Control 4.) B/R Reanimator 5.) ANT 6.) Grixis Delver 7.) Dredge 8.) Elves 9.) Death & Taxes 10.) Miracles 11.) Big Eldrazi 12.) Naya Lumberjack 13.) Dredge 14.) Lands 15.) Aggro Loam 16.) Grixis Control

September 9, Legacy Open @ Time Vault Games, 47 players: 1.) Death's Shadow 2.) ANT 3.) Grixis Control 4.) Grixis Control 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Grixis Control 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) Merfolk

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Originally Posted by Scott

4.) U/B OmniTell

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A thing, or proof that Lejay could probably Top 8 with a ham sandwich? :cool: (Or maybe both?)

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Originally Posted by Scott

12.) Naya Lumberjack

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Be still my beating heart!

Total and recent rankings in OP updated

September 1, 《ライオンの瞳のダイアモンド/Lion's Eye Diamond》争奪レガシー杯, 46 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Miracles 3.) Grixis Control 4.) Burn 5.) Grixis Control 6.) B/R Storm 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) ?

September 8, Preservation Series 1K @ Mox Boarding House, 56 players: 1.) U/W Stoneblade 2.) U/B Ninjas 3.) Miracles 4.) Death's Shadow 5.) U/G 12-Post 6.) Miracles 7.) Mono B Reanimator 8.) Turbo Depths

September 8, ネームドトーナメント フジタ・レガシー杯, 56 players: 1.) Dark Depths 2.) U/R Delver 3.) Grixis Delver 4.) U/R Delver 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) Death's Shadow 8.) ?

September 9, レガシー神トライアル, 78 players: 1.) OmniTell 2.) ANT 3.) Death & Taxes 4.) Grixis Delver 5.) Grixis Control 6.) Lands 7.) U/R OmniTell 8.) Miracles

Total and recent rankings in OP updated

September 1, Community Pub Legacy @ Sydney, 36 players: 1.) Goblins 2.) Tezzeret Control 3.) Lands 4.) RUG Delver

September 2, 4Seasons Summer 2018, 141 players: 1.) Lands 2.) Death's Shadow 3.) Dredge 4.) Dark Depths 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Maverick 7.) Death's Shadow 8.) Aluren 9.) Lands 10.) Death's Shadow 11.) Death & Taxes 12.) OmniTell 13.) Miracles 14.) Dredge 15.) Eldrazi 16.) Elves

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Originally Posted by mistercakes

i'm quite pleased w/ the bannings. unfortunately the best deck against the cantrip decks is boring. (eldrazi).

probe was a nice change for the format. DRS will take more time to flesh it out, but i think the format has generally opened up.

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I feel that this feeling is largely illusory. From the OP, italicized where I feel an argument could be made for novelty:

Grixis Control: 563 points
Miracles: 436
Death's Shadow: 341
Death & Taxes: 328
Grixis Delver: 280
Sneak & Show: 268
Lands: 262
UWx Stoneblade: 259
RUG Delver: 207
ANT: 205

Is that really that much different?

I get that I'm basically the only person who liked probe, but I don't feel like these bannings were a huge shakeup, other than getting rid of the green in the formerly 4-color control decks. Plus, Sneak and Show is super boring. RUG is sweet, and I know people who wish it were 2013 again might be excited to play stoneblade again, but Miracles, DNT, Lands, and Grixis are as good as ever.

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Originally Posted by taconaut

Grixis Control: 563 points
Miracles: 436
Death's Shadow: 341
Death & Taxes: 328
Grixis Delver: 280
Sneak & Show: 268
Lands: 262
UWx Stoneblade: 259
RUG Delver: 207
ANT: 205

Is that really that much different?

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no it isn't

Miracle and Grixis Control are pretty same gameplan same strategies, different cards

Grixis Delver Rug Delver and Death's Shadow has a lot of cards frome the control side but different strategy.

So the ban hits the green and nothing else.