In that case, Magus of the Tabernacle would fall under 3: text changing, so it will still be effective?
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In that case, Magus of the Tabernacle would fall under 3: text changing, so it will still be effective?
Text-changing means something very specific: changing a word in the text of a card to another word. Right now the only things that have been printed change a color, land type (Mind Bend etc) or creature type (Artifical Evolution).
Epochrasite still comes into play with +1 counters (if not played from hand) under Humility right?
Yes. "Comes into play with" is part the event that puts it into play - Humility applies just after, simultaneous with it coming into play. And since counters are applied after Humility, it will be a 4/4.
I assumed that since Epochrasite's was not a cip ability that it worked, but I wanted to be sure. Thanks.
Is that true? Does Magus of the Moon work under Humility? I can't imagine that!? Damn I am confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdr
Yeah Magus works, hes right.
More specifically only Magus of the Moon afaik, all the other Maguses do nothing. Apparently because the effect from Magus of the Moon is in an earlier layer, the other effects aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirdMan
This Magus of the Moon and Humility interaction was absolutely unknown from my part. Does this apply for new lands coming into play also? I'd say no as Magus no longer has his ability, am I right?
You are not right, unfortunately. All continuous effects are applied to everything all at once, layer by layer. Humility removes Magus of the Moon's ability, but by the time it removes it, it has already been applied.
See my first post.
Just out of curiosity:
Does Humility make a deck full of Relentless Rats illegal? :smile:
Or does their (second) ability apply "as long as <this> is in your library"?
I'm sure you think you're funny, but to actually answer:
Relentless Rats's ability applies to deck construction. By the time Humility's effect could apply to it, it's beyond irrelevant.
Relentless Rats's ability will override normal constructed rules (4 of a card limit) but not format-specific rules (ex 1 of a card limit in highlander).
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Originally Posted by Taurelin
I have Humility in play and my opponent has Wonder. Do the creatures have flying or not?
Well, you know that Humility's effect is layer 5 ("other").
What's Wonder's effect? Not copy, control, text-changing, type-changing, or power/toughness affecting - so also layer 5.
Is there a dependency? Humility's effect can't affect Wonder (it's in the graveyard, not in play) and won't won't change what Wonder applies to, so no.
With two effects that apply in the same layer and no dependency, we are left with straight timestamps.
Alright thank you for the speedy response.
Is an interaction between humility and march of the machines/titania's song/Tezzeret/karn the same as mishras factory and such?
Yes, they all set the power and toughness to a specific number so it would apply in time stamp order. That is whichever one came in last would determine the power and toughness.
But don't forget, that Karn no langer has the Ability to make something a Creature under Humility. :wink:
OK, this thread is full of questions correct answers (and some maybe correct answers???).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihil Credo
I have questions to doubly clarify:
1 When an eternal witness comes into play do you get to return a card from your graveyard to your hand?
2 When a kitchen finks comes into play do you gain 2 life? (I suppose if 1 is answered then this will be answered as well.)
3 How about when a finks is sent to the graveyard under humility is it just plain dead? Does it come back as a 1/1 with a -1/-1 counter? Or does it persist and create a weird unresolvable gamestate?
4. Do the answers to questions 1-3 change if the creatures:
a. is slid out via Astral Slide,
b. phases in via some weird mirage effect
c. is vialed or pipered in
Thanks