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I have a full set of Bayou, I just think that only five real land seems a bit low. It is propably because it is outside my comfort zone. I hate being mana screwed and being hit by a first turn Stiffle sucks.
With only two 'zerks I am propably just playing this as a casual deck for now so think I will go with some extra land while I play around with it.
Oh, I that case you can add more lands, of course. I just put all those extra fetchlands as extra-protection against wasteland and for deck-thinning, but that's just me. The deck does work with more basics and/or mana producing lands. It will also help you more against blood/magus of the moon than the current decklist. Here's the mana base a friend of mine uses:
// Lands
3 [ON] Wooded Foothills
3 [TSP] Forest (1)
2 [ON] Windswept Heath
3 [TE] Wasteland
4 [A] Bayou
2 [MM] Land Grant
He uses Wasteland instead of Duress/Thoughtseize, and they quite work, too, as long as you run at least 13 lands that produce colored mana. He traded a wasteland for another forest to avoid color-screw, but 4 should still work. Land Grant is there because he also runs Goyf as 4x and needs more sorceries to make it worth it.
About Stifle, I actually prefer them to cast it on the lands rather than kavu/false cure triggers.
That looks more like what I would play.
I was thinking 4 Bayou, 2 Overgrown Tombs & 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth as well as a few basic forests and fetchlands.
The problem with Urborg is that you can't search for it, and you don't want a land that only produces black, either. That's why the deck doesn't run Dark Ritual nor basic swamps. Maybe in a deck that uses more black it would be more useful. I love Urborg. :(
Big news! Zendikar so far has two cards that could go into this deck!
The first one is obvious, the B/G Fetchland. :P
The second one is Needlebite Trap. The best play of which I can think would be casting two right after casting Invigorate. Seems a bit situational, but it's worth testing, even with that "anti-false cure" clause, heh.
Nobody test the Needlebite Trap?
Congratz on this deck, I think it's really cool to play and all, I'm really tempted to spend money on some Berserks. Just some points I noticed.
1.) Vines of Vastwood is a worthy addition IMO, both for the first effect, as well as the second.
2.) I was manascrewed too often during testing, I added 2 Overgrown Tombs for 2 Quirion Rangers.
Vines is awesome and I currently play them instead of the Might of old Krosa.
Hey any thoughts on the new card Natures claim ? is it mainboard potential instead of reverent?
i think its def. a sb must include!
This will not see play here. Here is why:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yo-hann
1. It costs mana. The goal is to combo off as quickly and efficiently as possible. Tying down a forest/bayou for a measly 4 life is not optimal. The life gain is upon resolution too, in case they decide to counter it, which is not a problem with Reverent Silence.
2. It's pretty much useless. The type of artifact and enchantment we'd want to kill is stuff like Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere, and Sensei's Top/Counterbalance. These would either outright stop you from playing Nature's Claim, or make it difficult. At that point you'd want to bring in Seeds of Innocence from the sb. That kills multiple things and gains them life, is difficult to counter with Countertop and Chalice, and combined with Reverent Silence can kill most kinds of hate they can put out.
My 2c.
DrJones, have you changed your deck much since the last, and see any new ideas present in Worldwake?
Hi! I've been really busy these days and that has prevented me from playing both online and IRL, but I have been following the news and I would like to update this thread soon. I've seen that foil berserks have fallen in price so I have bought a few.
Here are my thoughts about some cards that I've tried or considered trying:
1. Manaplasm.
Some people are afraid of playing Wild Mongrel or Putrid Leech, and as a result they end with not enough quality beaters to reach critical mass. Some players want creatures of higher casting cost to have more ways around Counterbalance, Chalice of the Void, Threads of Disloyalty and Spell Snare. The available options for them are either Manaplasm or Ravaging Riftwurm. From those two, I think Manaplasm works better and would be even stronger in a build that used cards like Needlebite Trap, Land Grant or Tombstalker, however those cards don't work well with Dark confidant. I've been told that Ravaging Riftwurm is a lot better than it looks, but haven't had the time to test them. After testing, I can say that Manaplasm "works" and is an available option for slower builds, but you shouldn't play more than 3 overall (the mana base can't support more, anyways).
2. Tarmogoyf.
The problem with Tarmogoyf in this deck is that it will be a 2/3 during the time frame that you should care about, making it a bad kird ape instead of the monster it is in the rest of the field. I've been testing him time and time again, but they're moderately useful at most as a two of a kind. They shine in the late game, but in that case it's not better than Tombstalker or Manaplasm; in the early game is worse than Putrid Leech.
3. Duress / Thoughtseize
My most sided out card, they are very dull and never really useful. Still looking for a replacement in the 1cc slot.
4. Needlebite Trap
This card has two problems. The first one is that it becomes yet another dead card in your hand until you have something that gives life to your opponent, the second one is that it plays horrible with Dark Confidant. Maybe worth testing in a build with manaplasms and sylvan library.
5. Arbor Elf
It would be interesting in a deck that actually spends mana in its spells, but the only reason I see to use it would be to replace Elvish Spirit Guide in slower builds.
6. Nature's Claim
I see maindeck potential in this card, because my current 11 life-gaining spells feel barely enough. It cannot take the place of Reverent Silence because it requires the opponent's cooperation, but it's versatile enough to warrant a try.
7. Groundswell
It looks like a better Might of Old Krosa. Currently using 2x Vines of Vastwood instead, but as Might generated faster kills, this one is also worth considering.
8. Quest of the Gravelord
Might be worth a try.
Testing impressions. Here are some cards I've been testing that didn't work out and my reasoning:
1.Vinelasher Kudzu: Usually a 3/3 or 4/4 unless you get a quirion ranger in play, almost as useful as Putrid Leech. Discarded because late game it's horrible.
2. Nature's Claim: Horrible maindeck, but I still think it might work in the sideboard. The kind of decks that cause you trouble are not the ones that you want to fight with this card.
3. Terravore: Pros: Trample and good size. Cons: A bit unreliable, might try it again.
4. Skyshroud War beast: Cannot be used to deal fatal blows in early game, and the opponent stops playing lands as soon as it lands. :(
5. Quest for the Gravelord: The only time my beaters see the graveyard is when they are countered, otherwise they usually end exiled.
6. Summoning Trap: Usually gets the same fate that the creature that got countered in the first place, and there are no cool creatures in this deck to abuse it anyways.
7. Leyline of Lifeforce: Unfortunately too weak. This deck can't mulligan into it, you need to have 4 copies in your deck if you want a slight chance of drawing it, and mid game is uncastable. Damn! Will have to test Multani's presence.
Cards I'm going to test now: Deathmark (sideboard), Adventuring Gear, Unearth.
After testing and thinking a lot about this for weeks, I think I finally found the magical mix of cards that this deck so much needed. I also have learned to slow down against decks with much slower clock so that I have more mana/cards to maneuver around their hate, while still being as blazingly fast as ever. Canadian Threshold no longers gives me problems after board and so far I have absurdly good pairments against Zoo, Merfolk, ANT, and other Tier 1 decks.
I cannot reveal my latest decklist, because I plan to play it this weekend at GP Madrid and it includes a lot of tech that must remain secret, but I'm pretty happy with its current configuration. Wish me luck!
looking forward to meet you there!! i will expect your list after the gp because i'm a lover of berserk decks. I have berserk stompy built, but it's going to be a friend who will pilot it at the GP; but i hope we'll play against. i imagine this weird match-up: imperial painter vs the cure (not something that occurs everyday). good luck!!!!
All the best, I'm hoping for a decklist after the GP though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DrJones
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All the best, I'm hoping for a decklist after the GP though ;)
DrJones u have a private :P
I love Legacy.
Anyway, good luck at the GP.
I'm interested in the decklist mentioned above... I scoured the web for it but to no avail. I hope you had a lot of fun playing!