[Deck] MonoU OmniTell

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Originally Posted by Dutch253

Funny how that happens! Thanks a lot for the list, much appreciated!


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Crystal Veins is fine to use. Often i would hold back a tomb/city for the turn i want to S&T into Omni to prevent getting it wasted. 1 maindeck Boseiju is fine to. I wouldnt have problems with 6-8 u fetch and 6-8 islands along with 3-4 veins and 1 boseiju making a total of 19 lands.

2 Emrakul is on the safe side but 1 is fine to. 2 Emrakul gives you the ability to loop it (thru enter the inf.) and win without having to pass the turn to your opponent.
I am not a fan but LabMan is a wincon to. And it is cheap.

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Originally Posted by bodea1981

thats a cool list... How is the discard working for you? Is it that good or is that a meta call where you are... I assume because you have alot of TEPS or ANT..... I feel like preordain is one of the best cards in the deck though....and should be a 4 of... I was jamming a bunch of games last night and thought preordain consistently overperformed.

you could cut a leyline for an extraction or the boseiju in the board. but sideboards are very hard to cover everything with the deck.

This is only what found in my limited testing... we will see how it works out on Saturday when i play in SCG IQ.

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I prefer proactive protection (in Russian it's called "prikryshka"), than reactive, if it costs any mana. That helps to combo as soon as possible being sure that you have won counter war before even starting it. First turn Thoughtseize into second turn Cabal Therapy often just clears path for us. Besides, discard has such a huge benefit for our deck as discarding their nasty permanents planned to land with our Show and Tell (sorry, Ashen Rider, hit a graveyard, please). Also it fuels DtT faster - I was surprised, how fast can I cast it for two, if I do not stick counters in hand, but throw discard in opponent's face (easily on turn three, thus winning the attrition war). And, of course, 6 discards works good against THEIR discard and looks like pre-sideboarded deck against other combo.

Preordain is really good, but nowadays Probes got their place. Information and playing 56 cards is better for me, as I use direct tutors for combo pieces (and discard give me luxury to have time to cast them - and that statement is not a contradiction with my aim to combo as soon as possible).

All in all, that's just my approach to Omnitell combo - I see it more controllish and less YOLO, than many other successful legacy combos, so I prefer to play more protection (10 cards mainboard, no less) but need to spend effectively every mana I have (that's 6 mana before combo on turn 4) and every card working right now for my victory (so all my love to Therapies, best discard in Magic).

I've got question to those, how prefer LabMan kill nowadays - why? What matchups does improve EtI-Wish-Research-LabMan-win chain?
Asking, as I fell in love with the deck because of Enter the Infinite and LabMan and would like to return to them even though Flying Spaghetti Monster seems stronger and more resilient to me.

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Originally Posted by Dziga Murnau

I've got question to those, how prefer LabMan kill nowadays - why? What matchups does improve EtI-Wish-Research-LabMan-win chain?
Asking, as I fell in love with the deck because of Enter the Infinite and LabMan and would like to return to them even though Flying Spaghetti Monster seems stronger and more resilient to me.

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I still play it, because my friend brought me a signed altered foil Laboratory Maniac back from a GP he attended in Germany and it would be a shame not to use it! And I also like that when I go to win the game there's really nothing that can stop me.

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Originally Posted by pandaman

I still play it, because my friend brought me a signed altered foil Laboratory Maniac back from a GP he attended in Germany and it would be a shame not to use it! And I also like that when I go to win the game there's really nothing that can stop me.

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It's opening you to different hate like Notion Thief and company.

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Originally Posted by Varal

It's opening you to different hate like Notion Thief and company.

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How is Notion Thief going to stop LabMan? Or are you talking about Thief on EtI?

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Originally Posted by pandaman

How is Notion Thief going to stop LabMan? Or are you talking about Thief on EtI?

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Yes, it blocks Enter the Infinite. Technically, it also blocks Laboratory Maniac for one turn but, once you've drawn your whole deck, you can probably take care of the Notion Thief.

If they have a Thief and can protect it, all power to them. But I've never had anyone who could do it.

And Brainstorm with Thief on the stack takes care of if they're trying to stop LabMan.

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Originally Posted by pandaman

I still play it, because my friend brought me a signed altered foil Laboratory Maniac back from a GP he attended in Germany and it would be a shame not to use it! And I also like that when I go to win the game there's really nothing that can stop me.

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So, in your case it's a poetry issue) what I dislike in EtI way in the first place is that it's always a three card combo meanwhile Emri let us play simply SnT-FSM and win. It is not that seldom to pitch Omni to FoW to push SnT through and drop Emrakul.
EtI is better with Dream Halls but that's FOUR card combo.

I have a thing for Maniac. For fun, I jam it into decks as a win-con whenever I can. Rehab possibly required.

Sorry, I'm having a mental blank, FSM is what?

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Originally Posted by pandaman

I have a thing for Maniac. For fun, I jam it into decks as a win-con whenever I can. Rehab possibly required.

Sorry, I'm having a mental blank, FSM is what?

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Flying Spaghetti Monster, nickname for Emrakul)

The thing I don't like is that SnT into FSM (all hail His noodly appendage) is that you don't just win. You need to deal with all sorts of garbage between that turn and your next turn: Karakas, ORing, Terminus, Sower of Temptation, DSphere, etc.. I'd prefer to set up a situation to resolve EtI and be guaranteed to win. However, I don't want to put my opinion forward as being better, because the Emrakul version sans the EtI is the version putting up results. I play mine 'cause I like the LabMan win :)

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Originally Posted by Varal

Yes, it blocks Enter the Infinite. Technically, it also blocks Laboratory Maniac for one turn but, once you've drawn your whole deck, you can probably take care of the Notion Thief.

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Forcing your opponent to draw his entire deck thru EtI -> Notion Thief is something that wins the game for you... Offcourse you have tons of cantrips so probably your library is smaller, but... Emrakul hitting the yard fixes that. Notion Thief looks better on paper then it really is. Basicly it can make EtI an instant win.

Discard is a huge thing in this Deck.So is Lim-Dul's Vault.
I jammed a list fitting my playstyle and went 5:1:0 yesterday in Tokyo. Sometimes I need to jam Show and Tell instead of Tendrils of Agony ;)

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Originally Posted by sawatarix

Discard is a huge thing in this Deck.So is Lim-Dul's Vault.
I jammed a list fitting my playstyle and went 5:1:0 yesterday in Tokyo. Sometimes I need to jam Show and Tell instead of Tendrils of Agony ;)

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Mind posting your list? I see a few with discard, I'm interested in trying it out!

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

Forcing your opponent to draw his entire deck thru EtI -> Notion Thief is something that wins the game for you... Offcourse you have tons of cantrips so probably your library is smaller, but... Emrakul hitting the yard fixes that. Notion Thief looks better on paper then it really is. Basicly it can make EtI an instant win.

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It's really unlikely you'll EtI for a win if they have Notion Thief for about 6,000,000 reasons.

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Originally Posted by YamiJoey

It's really unlikely you'll EtI for a win if they have Notion Thief for about 6,000,000 reasons.

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Theoriecrafting. I actually pulled it of during a tournament. I played Intuition searching 1x Emrakul and 2x EtI. He choose EtI, Emrakul hit the yard and i won.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

Theoriecrafting. I actually pulled it of during a tournament. I played Intuition searching 1x Emrakul and 2x EtI. He choose EtI, Emrakul hit the yard and i won.

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So your hand was S/T, Omni, Intuition? (Or Wish for FF or whatever.) Because this is about the only way to do it. You also need to have not cast more than one Dig Through Time, or else you probably still just have less total cards than them.

some one is testing the "Red" splash?

opinion?

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Originally Posted by kuroko16

some one is testing the "Red" splash?

opinion?

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The red splash is good, a lot of people seem to like it. Red Elemental Blast/Pyroblast is very good when you are facing a meta with a lit of controlish decks and disposes Meddling Mages. A lot of people also argue that Young Pyromancer is a good SB option against Miracles and the mirror.

On the other hand, the black splash gives you edge against decks splashing Meddling Mages and Death & Taxes.
Massacre is great. And Toxic Deluge is also pretty nice to have.

I personally like the black splash better, I also like how Lim-Dul's Vault enables instant-speed RtA-kills against CiP-Triggers and is basically Vampiric Tutor. Miracles basically has to counter it out of fear for Boseiju (which I didn't play, but certainly will in the future).

Black doesn't have a creature like Young Pyromancer or Monastery Mentor, but I had the idea of jamming Gurmag Angler and/or Tasigur into the SB against Miracles. They can't be hit by Counterbalance and Angler kills in 4 swings while Tasigur is one turn slower but can potentially dig up nice stuff and/or fuels DTT.