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What do you do if you draw into Omni? At the very least I'd think you'd want a Scroll Rack so you can put it back into your library so you can Rector for it. I'd also think about doing something like swapping Call for Living Wish, and moving the Spaghetti Monster and possibly a Rector into the board. Then again that breaks the GSZ -> Empath -> Emrakul chain.Quote:
Originally Posted by sderenatore
Omni + Emrakul looks _fun_ but it doesn't seem _good_.
If you play Rector, Omniscience and Emrakul in a NicFit deck you will have to play blue, if only for Brainstorm. Have a look at the build Viridia posted some pages back. I've taken that build and played it doing reasonably well. With blue you at least have the possibility to return the Omniscience to the deck. Scroll Rack isn't that great in that regard. You don't want to play Scroll Rack until you have Omniscience in hand because it just dies to Pernicious Deed. And with a build with Omni/Emmy you will be playing for that combo almost every game. Ususally you dont have the space to put in other goodies to easily win games with. At least that's my experience with OmniFit. Being a bit threat light makes you bank on Deed more to survive.
For me OmniFit is a build I play only to have a good time. Yes it can go bonkers (I've played it to 1st place in a small tourney) but when the deck isnt giving you insane hands every game, sometimes it gets really hard to win. Especially when the pressure is on.
but apart form that: Rector+Diabolic Intent = SEX!
^ Basically that.
You rely on timing Deeds and spot removal really well and your only wincom is going Omnic -> Emrakul or hardcasting Emrakul if you have enough time (happens alot vs slow control w/o wastelands).
It is really fun to play and quite consistent, because you can play 4 Brainstorms alonside 2-3 Tops aswell as having 3 and 2 pieces of your 2-card combo in your deck (Rector + Intent) that aren't dead pre-combo either.
"Just" looping Recurring Nightmare with Strix' and Witness' can win you the game without Omni/Emrakul aswell tho ;)
@sderenatore: Here is the list I played recently, slightly modified from p.145, which did 9/50 on a small event.Quote:
Originally Posted by sderenatore
To me the deck is pretty good. The mechanics works, it does not changes many MU (and it wins mirror).Quote:
MAIN DECK 61
3 Bayou
1 Savannah
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Swamp
1 Plains
4 Forest
4 Verdant Catacomb
3 Windswept Heath
1 Scroll Rack
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Academy Rector
1 Eternal Witness
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Innocent Blood
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Pattern of Rebirth
3 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Diabolic Intent
2 Eladamri's Call
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Lingering Souls
1 Sorin Lord of Innistrad
2 Garruk Relentless
1 Emrakul the Aeons Torn
1 Omniscience
SIDEBOARD 15
(2 cards I do not really remember)
1 Surgical Extraction
2 Extirpate
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Gaddock
4 Mindbreak Trap
1 Nether Void
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Krosan Grip
1 Abrupt Decay
MU changes :
- Maverick becomes one of your worst enemy because of Scavenging Ooze and Qasali Pridemage. Needless to say that Aven Mindcensor kills you on the spot, but it cannot be GSZ'd. But so far, Mav players I have played against were complete byes, because they did not know what could be a pain for us.
And honestly, most people do not know how Academy Rector triggers, and how to hate it.
- It wins against Miracle, which regular BGw can very hardly do (if not impossible, without any exageration).
Other than that, ti does not change anything against Thresh, Gobs and stuff... The combo changes dramatically your gameplan speed that is the big change (with the fact that Miracle becomes winnable). I am a huge fan of BGw-Rector stuff pre-M13. But the deck was so slooooow then. You could end up in draw more than enough whereas you were on the way to the win (because you play crappy 1/1 stuff). So to me, an Omniscience List is just a turbo version for Nic Fit.
@sderenatore: A few comments on your list
- I used to play Fierce Empath, so that GSZ could also fetch Emrakul in a chain. But other than that it does nothing... :(
- So I turn it into an Eternal Witness, which will get you a Tutor back, to get Emrakul again. So with Omniscience on the board, it is strictly equivalent to Empath. It also allows you to Tutor freely your Rector, as you could get it back with GSZ-Witness. And of course, Witness do other stuff which is always cool.
- Eladamri Call is good, but no more than 2.
- I do not really see a place for Vraska in this combo build.
- Rusalka, I would definitely play 1 in the future eventually. A few times I was wondering why I did not listed it in.
- You play Thragtusk/Sigarda/Vraska, where I play 2 Lingering Souls and Sorin. I guess here those are metagame slots, so why not but I am not really fan of it.
- And I still do not get why you guys want to have a Moat in your MD. Before M13, the list had what it needed to take on Goblins without Moat.
And no, Blue is not needed to play Omniscience. I still played Scroll Rack, but I think it can be easily a 3rd Top. Because it does not happen so often that you get your Omniscience in hand. And when you do, my build has a Pattern of Rebirth as a B plan which always proved to be a good alternative.
So I just mean that Blue is not needed to play the list "efficiently". You can play U, but it becomes another build.
Now, that was before RtR, and this cute Deathrite Shaman is winking at me like hell. It does so many things. And I believe you TW when you say that people just rush to kill him (and they are right !).
Also it is not negligible, it wins the Burn MU, which we could hardly do before ^^... But more generally, it serves all your gameplans, and hits from far away, which should give enough power to not draw anymore.
So I am most likely returning to BGw list, because I miss playing stupid (1/x) creatures/Nightmare/Sun Titan stuff
So here it is:
So yeah 3/3 Veteran/Shaman. As I told you TW, I think 4/4 is too heavy, and we do not need that much I think.Quote:
61 Maindeck
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heaths
4 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Diabolic Intent
3 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Wall of Blossom
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Eternal Witness
3 Academy Rector
1 Thrun the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Sun Titan
1 Pattern of Rebirth
1 Future Sight
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Swords to Plowshare
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Vraska the Unseen
1 Elspeth Knight Errant
15 Sideboard
2 Lingering Souls
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Abrupt Decay
3 Extirpate
1 Nether Void
1 Pernicious Deed
3 Mindbreak Trap
1 Eldrazi Conscription
It seems BUGgy list are fancy those days, so Thrun comes back to take them on.
I am really thinking about turning the Eldrazi Conscription in the MD for Thrun. But it could be played on anything else after a proper Cabal Therapy. Also the deck ramps quite enough to play it late game.
I am also wondering about getting an additional Pulse MD for that stupid TMS.
And yeah I know I am crazy with my Future Sight here, but it is the first thing I want to see on board for Rector effect (if I was serious, I would set the Conscription here xD)
Pattern of Rebirth is for getting Sun Titan on board "quickly". I was thinking on playing a second S Titan, but I thought that the Pattern could be more versatile. Experience will tell.
More seriously, I think about adding a few red sources, for sideboard REB mostly. Maybe 1 Taiga would be enough as the cutie DRS is now in.
Any advices on this point ?
Belcher..
is not a bad matchup actually! For first time ever I did some games against a friend and I ended up something like 7-3 or 6-3. Was really suprised as I thought it would be close to impossible to win. Two of the games he won was turn 1 win where I couldn't do shit
Im running 8 discard MD which helped a lot, especially cabal therapy. That card is the sickness. I had one game where I mulled down to 5 with the following hand: 2 Land 2 Cabal therapy 1 veteran explorer and he was even on the play! Fortunately he didn't have a turn1 win and I completley destroyed his hand the following turns as I drew a third cabal therapy and a gsz for a second explorer
// Deck: BG exploring the vengevine (61)
// Lands
4 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Forest
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
// Creatures
2 Deathrite Shaman
2 Eternal Witness
2 Lotleth Troll
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Vengevine
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Wickerbough Elder
// Instants
3 Abrupt Decay
// Sorceries
4 Buried Alive
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Diabolic Intent
3 Green Sun's Zenith
// Enchantments
2 Pernicious Deed
// Planeswalkers
2 Liliana of the Veil
// Sideboard
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Liliana of the Veil
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 4 Natural Order
SB: 1 Progenitus
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
Want to try something like this utilizing the acceleration from GSZ
And explorer to put down threats. Then the possibility of swapping vengvine\ buried alive
package out for natural order Progenitus combo. Thoughts??
@vilnico
Several questions // remarks about your list:
- How is the second Phyrexian Tower for you? I guess it is more important in a list with Rector.
- Do you really use Dryad Arbor? For what I remember, I always preferred to keep my GSZ for something better than a bad Llanowar on Turn 1. Later I can imagine you want to have a creature instead of a fetchland in hand (or search for a creature) because you play Diabolic Intent. Are you satisfied with the Dryad? I was not.
- I am really curious about the 3/3 Deathrite Shaman (DRS) // explorer split. I would love to hear why 3/3 instead of 4/2 or 2/4. For me the cards don't have the very same role. Is it a metagame call or just a test? I can't wait to hear the results :)
- No Sigarda?
- How are Vraska and Elspeth? The first one looks a bit too much like a very expansive Pulse while the second has this horrible WW in the casting cost.
- Why do you keep 1 wall of blossom without playing birthing pod? Is it worth it? I would put a 3rd sensei before a cantrip wall.
- I am sceptical about the Enchantements for creatures. It looks like a source of Card Disadvantage.
- How good are the lingering souls? Strangely, it would be my main motivation to play W in Nic Fit.
I hope it helps to improve your list :)
@thecheese
Bringing Vengevine in the deck is a weird idea for me:
- You make yourself very sensible to graveyard hate. It is really bad with DRS in the format.
- It is a gameplan that does improve any of the bad match-ups of Nic Fit.
- Vengevine without intuition, while you are playing cabal is really a shame.
It's probably not what you want to hear though :)
TW
HoneyT won a Grand Prix Trial playing Nic Fit yesterday for three-byes at GP Denver.
Congrats HoneyT!
Which version of Nic Fit did you run?
He's out getting breakfast right now so I'll answer on his behalf, mostly cause I'm bored!
HoneyT played a 61-card GB list with some really spicy choices.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
Interesting looking forward to see the list
congrats @HoneyT
later if i have time i will post again my short tourney report that happens yesterday december 2, 2012.
I'm happy to report i got 12th place with scapewish at scg baltimore open going 7-2, I'll post a report when i have alittle more time
Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Firepaw3
Was wondering about your decklist, but already found it. Link
Well done. I wondered why you did not play REB? Imo this is one of the mayor advantages if you play red? How was collective voyage for you? Interesting card.
Seems like BUG Fit would be the most diverse in terms of combo control. Actually curious how Misthollow Griffin paired with Food Chain would work out in a Nic Fit shell.
Also congrats kabards and firepaw3
Round 1 vs BUG DELVER
I played against Alex H he showed up late and took a game loss for being late. I started with a 2 land hand a green sun and a Sakura tribe elder so I felt moderately ok with land he played first and played a land passed I played a land passed and he does again I cast Sakura and he forces I then the next turn try to cast green sun on one after not getting any more land he spell pierces and proceeds to beat me because I can't get another land.
Game 2
Game two went the opposite way I got flooded with land and he proceeds to beat me after 15 or so turns
0-1
Round 2 BUG STILL
Game one took most of the whole round and we went back and forth but him playing all 4 standstills was the key factor in both games he beat me 1-0 so at this point I am a
But upset but BUG is a deck that I think rector fit needs to mold around a little because in my opinion it's the one of the only decks in the format to make rector work hard for a win.
0-2
Round 3 BURN
I drew my seven and mulled to six when i realized I had not un side boarded we called judge I got a warning only which was good. But I had to mull to 5 he starts with guide and swings I play veteran explorer and pass he swings the trigger gets me a land I block and get two more he passes I then cast moat and tell him to go he plays a figure and passes after burning me with a spike and bolt I play a land and cast thragtusk at this point he is very discouraged even more discouraged when I cast recurring nightmare the next turn he scoops.
Game 2
I did not board anything in
He burns me out quickly because I cannot find a baneslayer or a tusk
Game 3
I drop a baneslayer he drops vortex with 2 figures out levels one up all the way I take and cast another slayer he swings both I block both because I can't take the damage I top deck a
Pulse an destroy his figures he plays land passes I am
Getting very low on health I find a green sun with my top I cast it for 3 grabbing witness to pulse his vortex he spikes me I go to one I cast yosei swing with witness puts him to 7 h top decks land and shakes my hand.
1-2
Round 4 FAREI STOMPIE
This was against Dan bergquist the owner of the shop i go to and a
Good friend. I mulled to 5 game one with a one lander he opens up with a 4-4 angel great right >< I play my land I didn't draw another btw he plays revoker naming deed passes after swinging I fail to get another land I pass he swings and passes I find a bayou green sun for 1 grab explorer and pass he swings with angel and passes I draw a tower playboy sac explorer I have 5 mana I go for it I play baneslayer he says it resolves with a huge sigh. I eventually get yosei lock on him
And he scoops game two was much faster for me and yosei locked him
Out quickly
2-2
At this point I can't remember what I side boarded those games and I apologize these next few I do remember though
Round 5 JUNK
He casts shaman turn one I go cool you are on junk "I wanted this match up fairly badly to see how it would go" he got me on the ground for a while until moat dropped then sigarda and baneslayer ripped him apart
Game 2
Out: 1 Sakura, 1 explorer, 1 witness
In : 2 abrupt decay, 1 elspeth
This game went to turns it was long and agonizing. Moat dropped and for a
While he had nothing to do he vindicated but only had a bob and knight he moved to attacks I had an elspeth out he o ringed it and swung I chumped I play land pass he moves to attacks I abrupt decay his knight. We both durdle he drops Lilly makes me discard my nightmare i top into a Titan and cast it bringing nightmare out his bob has him at three life on his next turn I sac my Titan to his Lilly and he passes after eating something from my yard to get me into lethal range the next turn I top into yosei I cast him sac him to grab Titan to grab witness to grab decay tap him out and pass he makes
Me sac so I sac Titan he passes I decay the o Ring on my elspeth give e winess wings and win
3-2
Round 6 OLD JUNK
Game one he had ALL the creatures all the answers all the swords and I top decked like shit he obliterated me with big fat knight
Game 2
Out:1 Sakura, 1 vet, 1 witness
In : 2 abrupt decay 1 elspeth
I nuked his board three times and ended the game quickly
With sigarda and baneslayer
Game three
This game went on a while he damnationed me many times eventually I cast slayer but he had a maze i played nightmare and top decked yosei and got the lock online an he scooped
4-2
Round 7 FAREI STOMPIE
this guy was also a
Pro very nice guy he led with an angel just like before >< an proceeded to counter everything I played
Game 2
Out: 1 yosei, 1 empath, 1 nightmare, 1 Titan
In: 2 carpets 2 decays
I try to cast all my rectors and ally hate and he has all the counters I lose after putting up a hell of a
Fight.
We played for fun after and rector played the way it should i ripped his hand to pieces and locked
Him out.
4-3
Round 8: THE EPIC STORM
I lost the toss to my friend Ning and he duress me and takes me green sun seeing 2'therapies I go cast therapy naming led I miss I rip his hand part he attempts to go off a few turns later and can't I yosei lock him
And he scoops
Game 2:
Out: 1 nightmare, 1 yosei, 1 empath, 1 Titan, 1 elder
In: 2 memoricide, 2 cranial extraction, 1 nether void
Game two i year his hand up and sac my explorer for lands I have 4 he reforges the soul we draw a
New hand i draw into rector and tower he passes I play tower then rector sac her get nether void I pass he pays three for a chrome mox plays his third land and passes I pay 5 for a green sun for explorer Nd pass he pass back I play another explorer and pass he plays another mox pays 5 for a burning wish to for enchantment destruction I play deed crack on 0 he scoops
5-3
Round 9 TEZZERET CONTROL
to write everything that happened in this match would be absurd way to much went on and the matchup was RIDICULOUS if you play rector you NEVER want this match up. Lets put it this pay I played through 3 TEZZERET 2 jace and a
Karn I won game one because he drew his whole deck so I won lol
6-3 overall took 50th out of 289!
Not as good as a wanted but it happens if you want my list you can ask me and I will post it
First time posting so I apologize if the formatting is a little messed up.
ScapeWish:
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Wood Elves
2 Eternal Witness
3 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Burning Wish
2 Bonfire of the Damned
2 Scapeshift
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
4 Taiga
1 Stomping Ground
3 Badlands
3 Bayou
4 Forest
3 Mountain
2 Swamp
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Virtue's Ruin
SB: 1 Pulverize
SB: 1 Slaughter Games
SB: 1 Damnation
SB: 1 Tsunami
SB: 1 Innocent Blood
SB: 1 Reanimate
SB: 1 Scapeshift
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse
This list has been performing quite well for me over the last couple of days. It's hardest matchup is probably the Junk decks that have access to 4 Hymns anywhere in the 75. Anyone else been testing lists like this?
@nottz Your list is an exact copy of the list that has been discussed on this thread in detail. Arianrhod is one of the people who fine tuned the deck so better read his posts and replies.
edit: sorry not an exact copy: -1 Volrath +1 Stomping ground
nottz's list is basically the same as Firepaw's list, except for a small landbase change.
MB:
+1 Bayou
-1 Forest
@thecheese: I agree with TW here, DRS shaman hurts a lot everything based on graveyard hate, which now comes somehow maindeck with DRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiMeWaLk
And anyway, Vengevine is too cute to be played in NicFit I believe. I anyway HATE it as it somehow caused SotF to be banned :maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad:
(Vengevine was not really the problem, Necrotic Ooze was way more serious)
@TW: First thing, that was what I would play. Which means I have not tested yet.
- 2 Towers: I have always been happy since I have included the second tower MD. Ok it happened few times that I had one that would do nothing in hand, but that can always be a card for Lili, at worse...
But yeah, I am quite a heavy player of Rector, so I really like having 2 Towers.
- Dryad: It is true that this slot is questionable. Truth is, I rarely play to have 2 mana T1, beacuse it often gets Wasted (so you unblank adverse Wastes, which is the complete opposite of the gameplan ^^)... I hear some people saying that it dies on Deed so it is bad (to this, I'd just say that yes it dies on Deed, but you should have plenty of mana by then no ? so to me it is not really a problem that it dies). I rather play it for quick Flashbacked Therapy, but it is always painful to do it I have to admit.
No the real reason is that it does the tricky Fetch-Block, it gives you a Creature for Nightmare if your board is empty, same for Pattern of Rebirth, or Diabolic Intent. So I like it better for its Late game value than for its Early value.
- Veteran/DRS split : Well, I would say a hardcore NicFit would keep it 4/2. As you say they do not have the same role, and at some point assuring an early Mana expand is better for the pack. So Veteran should have priority. The thing is: I said that DRS can give the pressure BGw Nic Fit had before it came out, but I don't feel playing 2 would be enough. Because as you said, it is a MUST removal target. So 3 is a minimum to me, and as it does a bit of mana too, I would test one less Veteran.
- In my opinion, there is no reason to play both Thrun and Sigarda. They are both just as bad vs Terminus, and as good beacuse they have Hexproof. But Thrun is 4CCM, so it goes out on GSZ faster theoretically. The sacrifice protection is not so important to me. Flying ? That would be the real advantage of Sigarda, but here Elspeth can help.
- Vraska: is indeed here to Pulse stuff (who said Jace ?). But being expensive, and being able to stack Pulses ? That is worth trying I say. (Ultimate is too cute in my opinion)
- Elspeth: I have always been happy of my 2 Elspeth before playing Omniscience version. WW is actually the reason why I have 2 basic Plains listed, so that I can get them on Veteran if I did not have the chance to fetch a Dual Wx. Other than that, it technically kills Jace (who says I have a grudge against him ? ^^). But Sorin could be replacing Elspeth, if you really don't like the WW.
- Wall of Blossom: It is true that it might be the 3rd Top here. But it stalls the aggro, also which Top does not in itself. It can be sacrificed... I mean it is synergic with this "heavy sacrifice" list I would say.
- Enchantement for creature CDA : which one ? My number 1 target for Pattern of Rebirth will always be Sun Titan, which generates a monstruous amount of CA. Eldrazi Conscription, ok this is too cute, serious people could get something relevant instead of this xD
- Lingering Souls: This is sooooooooooo good ! It sacrifices, go to kill Jace. I would love to play those MD again (probably for the Conscription and the Future sight... for normal people :p)
So un-casual stuff would be: -1 Rector, -1 Future Sight, -1 Conscription Eldrazi for +1 Top and +2 Lingering Souls
- About your post on another board (LF): Against Elves, don't you have Pyroclasm in sideboard ? But anyway combo has always been a pain in the ass of NicFit. That is all there is to it sadly. Elves and Belcher are quite fair I would say, but everything else takes too much slots, and your can't SB properly against both S&T and Storm. My 2 cents on this.
@vilnico:
I did not realize you were french (and probably reading LF), but that does not matter because I will probably post only here in the future. The interaction is just better.
Indeed I try to put Pyroclasm // Firespout or other kind of removals to improve my match-up against Goblin, Merfolk and Elves. When I tested against Elves, I was having none of those which was making the match-up completely one sided.
Concerning your explanations, they all make a lot of sense. The only point where I was maybe not clear is about the CDA. If the opponent kills your creature in response to the enchant creature... you lose two cards for one. This is where the CDA comes.
I would also like to try the splash W by curiosity but I don't see where are the advantages. I just think in terms of match-ups and I cannot see where it is better than a red splash for example.
Another small question, what about grave pact? It looks really good against the Show and Tell match-up & quite decent against creature based decks. Any thoughts?
TW
I took 85th (5-4) at SCG Baltimore, playing Nic Fit (BGW Rector, though a slightly cheaper version)
Creatures
4x Veteran Explorer
2x Academy Rector
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Grave Titan
1x Sun Titan
1x Yosei, the Morning Star
1x Deranged Hermit
1x Eternal Witness
1x Wickerbough Elder
1x Starved Rusalka
1x Fierce Empath
Spells
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Green Sun's Zenith
3x Pernicious Deed
2x Sensei's Divining Top
2x Liliana of the Veil
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Diabolic Intent
1x Recurring Nightmare
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Enlightened Tutor
Land
4x Bayou
4x Verdant Catacombs
3x Marsh Flats
3x Forest
2x Plains
2x Swamp
1x Windswept Heath
1x Scrubland
1x Savannah
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Volrath's Stronghold
Sideboard
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Thoughtseize
2x Choke
2x Gaddock Teeg
1x Faith's Fetters
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Extirpate
1x Krosan Grip
Round 1 vs Burn
Game 1 on the play: I mulled a no land hand and found an Explorer, Therapy, a fetch, a Bayou, and Phyrexian Arena. Things seemed all right, though I ended up hanging on to the Arena because I didn't want to help him out at all. I Decayed a Sulfuric Vortex, and then he showed me a Price of Progress for lethal when I was at 4 with Grave Titan on the table as a two-turn clock. His only non-land permanents were some Hellspark Elementals and the Sulfuric Vortex, and I saw a Barbarian Ring when I Therapied.
In: Faith's Fetters, Extirpate, Ooze
Out: Phyrexian Arena, Wickerbough Elder, Veteran Explorer
Game 2: I kept a poor hand (nerves?) with Sensei's Divining Top, lands, and a Therapy, played T1 Top, go. He played Goblin Guide. Oops. The Guide ramped my hand (thanks to Top) and I dropped an Explorer to block, but then he stopped attacking and drew straight burn spells into my all land / Pernicious Deed draws.
0-2, 0-1
Round 2 vs Burn
Game 1 on the draw: This guy was playing BR Burn with Confidants and Lavamancers. I don't remember what I kept, but I fetched first turn and then my life total jumped down by threes.
In: Faith's Fetters, Extirpate, Ooze, 3x Thoughtseize (2 is better than 3 or 4, right? At least, that's what I was thinking.)
Out: Phyrexian Arena, Wickerbough Elder, 4x Veteran Explorer (slowing the game and not helping him thin his deck seemed important; I clearly wasn't prepared for Burn matches)
Game 2: T1 Thoughtseize took a Goblin Guide and T2 Therapy took a pair of Sulfuric Vortexes, but he landed a Lavamancer and drew hot hot heat the rest of the time. I drew into my massive beater, Starved Rusalka, and pinged him down to 11 before GSZ found me Sigarda. I was at one life and he had an empty hand. He commented that Thragtusk would've been better here, and I told him to shut his rat-face (not really)--and then he flipped over the top card of his deck. Rift Bolt.
0-4, 0-2
Round 3 vs Goblins
Game 1 on the draw: He mulled to 3 (!!!) and led with T1 Mountain, go. I played an Explorer, he played a Lackey, they traded, he played a Ringleader, then a Piledriver which I Swordsed, then he overextended into a Deed and I killed him with Sun Titan (recurring Deed) and Yosei. No need to lock.
I didn't sideboard for this match-up; though I think Extirpate could be handy, I don't know what I'd want to take out.
Game 2: No mulligans this game, and he led with Lackey and a T2 Aether Vial, but didn't swing into my Veteran Explorer. I swung at him instead, which he took, and then played another Explorer. He played War Chief, which I kindly Swordsed, and then FINALLY he attacked me and let me ramp. I played a Deed, he played a Ringleader and a Matron, I played another Deed, he played another Matron and then a Ringleader and a Vial, I played Sun Titan to recur Deed and wipe his board, he scooped.
2-4, 1-2
Round 4 vs Burn
He was on the play and opened with T1 Mountain, suspend Rift Bolt. I tilted pretty bad after that and I'm not proud of it. I do remember that when I cast Therapy in game one he showed me his hand and then hid it again after I saw that I hadn't hit, and I didn't make him show it longer so I could write things down. That didn't help my tilt. Also not helping: I took Thragtusk out of the main and CoP: Red out of the board on Friday (more on this later).
2-6, 1-3
Round 5 vs BUG Control
Game 1 on the draw: I kept a hand with Top, Forest, three fetches, and Wickerbough Elder. We both fetched a couple of times before he found a Bob and swung with it, and I found a Veteran Explorer. He played a Top and didn't swing (this seemed common from my opponents; not wanting to help me ramp), I swung and played another Explorer, and then he played another Bob and I played the Elder. I hit him a few times, leaving one Explorer back to block, and then he resolved Jace and started Fatesealing me, and then he blew a Deed to clear my board, hoping for a Jace win, I believe. I saved my Top, and then proceeded to ignore Jace as I cast Grave Titan, Jace bounced it, Grave Titan (countered) and Recurring Nightmare (landed), and then finally Yosei, sacrificed to bring back Grave Daddy.
In: 2x Choke, Krosan Grip, Faith's Fetters
Out: 2x Veteran Explorer, 1x Cabal Therapy, 1x Swords to Plowshares
Game 2: This one was fun. We fetched around for a while, he landed Top, Perished my Scavenging Ooze, and then played a Deathrite Shaman. I Decayed the Shaman and then used Volrath's Stronghold to get my Ooze back. He Decayed it, I used the Stronghold again and started beating. I had Eternal Witness, Liliana, and Yosei in my hand at one point, and +1ed Liliana to pitch the Witness, just for kicks. After tapping him down, making him sacrifice two Bobs, playing a Choke, and beating with the Ooze for a few turns (I grew it a few times, too) he finally drew the Wasteland he needed to stop my Stronghold shenanigans. Then I topdecked a Grave Titan and he scooped. I wouldn't have pitched the Witness in a regular situation, but he was playing quite deliberately and I was nearly certain we would either go to time or I would win. It felt good to be in control.
4-6, 2-3
Round 6 vs No Show (as in, I got a bye)
4-6, 3-3 (sort of)
Round 7 vs Faerie Control (like Stompy, but playing Erayo instead of 4/4s)
Game 1 on the play: I kept Therapy, Explorer, Explorer, Deed, Bayou, Fetch, Fetch, and opened on fetch for Forest into Explorer. He played a basic Island and then Ponder. "Finally," I thought, "High Tide or Storm!" I attacked, played my second Explorer, then fetched for a basic Swamp to play Cabal Therapy. I don't remember why I was playing around Wasteland (and he commented on the fact that I was playing around Wasteland and said he would do the same (he was playing all Islands)). After I saw his hand of Erayo, Ninja of the Deep Hours, SoFaI, Spellstutter Sprite, and Repeal, I felt pretty happy. Then he countered my flashed back Therapy with the Sprite, Ninjutsu-ed in the Ninja, played a few Clouds of Faeries, and attacked me down to 3 before I found a Deed and wiped his board. Then I got a Yosei / Rusalka / Stronghold lock on him and he conceded at 10 life.
In: 2x Choke, 2x Gaddock Teeg, 1x Extirpate
Out: 4x Veteran Explorer, 1x Cabal Therapy
Game 2: I kept a VERY land-heavy hand because his deck seemed to rely on little weenies (thus giving me a chance to start slowly). I think after 3 losses I started feeling like I could have fun with the tournament. He countered an early Cabal Therapy with Spellstutter Sprite and started beating down; I played Starved Rusalka and started beating down, then played Choke. At some point I played Enlightened Tutor and he flashed in another Spellstutter Sprite to counter. We had one another at 10 (me) and 12 (him) when we went into turns and I played a Grave Titan. He scooped.
6-6, 4-3
Round 8 vs Maverick
Game 1 on the play: I blind-call Brainstorm on a T1 Therapy; he shows me GSZ, Noble, Savannah, Horizon Canopy, Wasteland, Stoneforge Mystic, Oblivion Ring. I got excited and shredded away the GSZ with another Therapy. I waited for him to build his board, and then I Deeded to keep him from attacking for 9 with an Elspeth'ed Knight. Then I drew three lands in a row, and then a Deed that I had to use immediately again. Then I landed Top and saw Sun Titan, Yosei, Rector. I had two Therapies in the yard and Stronghold in play, but not enough land to cast Yosei and put it on top in the same turn--so of course I chose to tap the Top to draw Yosei, and then of course I immediately sacrificed it to a Therapy (he had no cards in hand) so I could tap down all his stuff. I cannot explain that play. I lost to a flying Scavenging Ooze shortly thereafter.
In: Ooze, Maelstrom Pulse, Faith's Fetters
Out: 2x Veteran Explorer, 1x Cabal Therapy, Swords to Plowshares
No, I cannot explain siding these things out, either.
Game 2: Turn one Therapy saw Elspeth, Pridemage, KotR, Sylvan Library, Wasteland, and lands. I fetched a couple of times, and then drew straight lands for several turns before I took 9 from a flying Knight, drew another land, and then took 9 from a flying Knight. Sometimes them's the breaks. I had a Deed in hand, but couldn't play it and pop it for 3 without losing either a) a land to Wasteland or b) the Deed to Qasali Pridemage (by waiting to untap). Tough.
6-8, 4-4
Round 9 vs BG ???
Game 1 on the draw: He Thoughtseized me off of a Bayou first turn and took Pernicious Deed, then I Therapied him for Deathrite Shaman and whiffed, though I did see Duress, Disfigure, Jitte, and Hag Hedge-mage (?). I took Hedge-mage on the flashback, lost two lands to Hymn to Tourach, and then played Scavenging Ooze. He killed my Ooze with Abrupt Decay, I played Stronghold and got it back. He killed my Ooze with Disfigure, I used Stronghold and got it back. I played Grave Titan, and he used Maelstrom Pulse to clear the tokens and then made me sacrifice the Titan and Wastelanded my Stronghold. Two turns later I drew Eternal Witness, brought back the Titan, and he scooped.
I shuffled my sideboard into my deck and then removed it again.
Game 2: He Thoughtseized me again, taking Top and leaving me with five lands and Wickerbough Elder. I drew Cabal Therapy and named Hymn to Tourach, hitting two of them and leaving him with Ooze, Abrupt Decay, and Verdant Catacombs. He drew and played Deathrite Shaman and started pinging me down. I played Wickerbough Elder, he played Ooze, and we started trading blows. Finally I drew out of lands and into Top, played it and spun to find Sigarda, Grave Titan, and Swords. I tapped to draw Sigarda and play it. He sighed and pinged me down to 3 with the Shaman. Next turn I drew the Top, cast it, tapped it to draw Grave Titan, played Titan, and he scooped (he was down to one if I attacked with Sigarda).
8-8, 5-4 (sort of)
I am definitely swapping Thragtusk back in for Deranged Hermit. As quickly as Hermit ends games, Tusk is better in the toolbox (and can end games only a touch more slowly). Enlightened Tutor took the place of Skeletal Scrying, and while I only drew it twice I thought it was a worthy replacement--though I will probably drop it for a second Eternal Witness. Starved Rusalka is simply fantastic, and I'm glad I picked mine up last May before they got expensive (hah).
Regarding my sideboard: I was informed by a guy who regularly plays at Xanadu Games in the Baltimore area that the local-ish meta is a lot of High Tide and Storm combo. I was expecting a lot of that, plus a lot of UW Miracles. In round 7 a judge who came past our game said that there had been many High Tide, Miracles, and Storm mirrors, so I guess all of those players hit the draw bracket early and didn't get near me. Anyway, that's the reason I took out Thragtusk, CoP, and my extra Pulses, and put in the Thoughtseizes and Thalias. I was talking to Maverick777 after the tournament and he was telling me how much I need to get Moat and Nether Void--and I completely agree! If you would all kindly donate to the cause...
I was also admiring the Raking Canopy in his sideboard, and while the only flying beaters I saw were too large to care (Elspeth-jumped Knight/Ooze) or too small to really matter (faeries), I think I'm going to pick one up.
The people in the Rock forum have been talking about how bad Choke is right now, but it worked great for me against BUG and Faeries. My Carpets of Flowers are in the mail, probably to be tried alongside Choke in the right meta. T1 Carpet into T2 Choke seems pretty insane, though it's more likely T1 Carpet into T2 Force of Will ;-)
In closing, I love playing this deck.
Question:
Could I please have your opinion:
I will be playing scapewish this weekend at the Belgian Legacy cup. I am still considering some changes to the list (arianrhod reference scapewish)
Currently I am not playing abrubt Decay: does the list need it, is it usefull against deadrite Shaman? Or is it better to have a third Huntmaster and a Sakura?
I am playing an extra stomping ground instead of a possible Volraths stronghold. How good is stronghold?
I would appreciate some ideas so I can finalise my list.
I havent played Stronghold in ScapeWish or any other version for quite some time. Ive never found it to be really helpfull tbh. In ScapeWish i replaced it with a basic forest (mostly due to lacking a 2nd Stomping Ground)
Im still hoping HoneyT will post his GB list...
@Cire_dk: I don't play scapewish, but here is my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire_dk
- Abrupt Decay : Scapewish build is more like Aggro/Combo build, you do not need plays that do 1 for 1. Pernicious Deed does a way better job. And Arianrhod did not included in his last list from november.
- Deathrite Shaman : what would you want to remove it ? It only removes Cabal Therapy, if you do not flashback them immediatly. It chumpblocks a Huntmaster, so it stalls the game which is in your advantage.
- And anyway, if it is to include 1 Decay, when most list will pack 4 DRShaman, just forget it.
To be extreme, I would say that Lightning Bolt is way better in this build than Abrupt Decay as a 1-off.
- So to me it would rather be a Huntmaster, but if you feel you need more mana, go for a Sakura.
- Stronghold used to be a good stuff. But now there is DR Shaman, which will ruin its activation. And you do not play enough removal to handle all the 4DRS list that will run around. If you run off of creature you still have the combo to finish your opponent. So Stonghold is a bad idea to me.
Id say I win 20% of my games because of Volraths stronghold. Its useful most of the time if you just draw it naturally, but fetching it off prime titan wins the game against decks that have removal, but cant somehow exile prime titan before you untap phyrexian tower. Also, against UW who has a million cantrips, and 8 ways to basically exile prime, you can get the 2 towers, and then sac him to therapy before they get priority.
I talk about recurring prime titan, but legacy decks have a hard time beating a Huntmaster or thragtusk every turn too. Or ewti for bushiness.
Yeah I read LF, but they just ignore Nic Fit there. "It is not a real deck" as they like to say. "It does not play U, it plays Veteran Explorer. What else ?" xDQuote:
Originally Posted by TiMeWaLk
Against Elves I never really had any pbs. It is pretty 50/50 to me for a BGw list, thanks to StP and Deed. I will take here also the reason to play white:
- Swords to Plowshare to me is the first reason to play W, before RtR. Now there is Decay, but mostly there is DRS, which owns T1 Lackey. So it is more the couple DRS/Decay that made me cut a StP in my list, but just Decay alone is not a reason to get it over StP. Decay to me is just an additional Pulse, and not an expensive StP.
- Sun Titan !
- Then there is Lingering Souls, for the reason we spoke of.
Academy Rector, but this will get difficult to get around the DRS those days. This is only optional. It is not a real reason to play W. It is kinda like Birthing Pod, you can play it in Nic Fit, but you do not have to.
And then sideboard, with O'ring against S&T for example, or playable Gaddock.
Honestly, I have not played BGr yet (but currently building it), so I can not really tell the advantages/disadvantages. To me red is attractive because of Bonfire, Huntmaster, REB, and Dreadbore at some point.
Grave Pact:
- First, it is 4ccm, Slaughter Game is better against S&T for the same cost. But anyway too late.
- Then it is 1BBB kinda hard on colors :/
- But if you meant having it in Rector-build, I would say it is not really good, Humility is the only Enchantment that does a decent job against S&T. Honestly, my best option against S&T is to play Omniscience NicFit. They are just not allowed to play S&T without Omniscience, the risk that they help to assemble our combo is too big.
- Against creatures decks ? you mean Aggro in general ? I never wished I had such a stuff, or even a Moat to beat them. Deed just owns them all ^^
Enchantment CDA:
Ah what you say is right :D, but you can wait that your opponent removes your DRS before enchanting stuff ;)
Also as they are 1-off, they most likely get in there via Rector, so they do not know what is happening :p
@ Architect: Did I read you would go fetch 2 Phyrexian Tower on Primeval Titan effect ? Please don't do this in real life ^^
No, he meant Volrath's Stronghold + Phyrexian Tower, which is an engine that we've been calling The Two Towers, because we're all nerds.
Also, Rector has taken a HUGE hit because of the enormous prevalence of Deathrite Shaman. It's a million times worse than Scavenging Ooze ever was. I think that the list is still viable, because you still just destroy anything without Deathrite (or anyone with who doesn't know how Rector works). But in a competent meta that's filled with BUG and Junk, I wouldn't touch Rector right now. That really pains me to say, but them's the breaks.
If you want to go white in the current meta, I would advocate the more Junkish lists that have some number Swords to Plowshares and Abrupt Decay main. Just be aware that you're going to have board MUCH more aggressively for combo as a result, since you don't have Rector->Nether Void. It all depends on how much Deathrite Shaman is in your meta.
I would also advocate looking at the concept of a Populate version using Trostani and more walkers, which we briefly touched on some number of pages back. You can overload Terminus, BUG Control doesn't run sweepers maindeck, and neither does Junk. I don't know for sure if it's good enough or not, but it's probably more viable than Rector is currently.
ScapeWish is, obviously, still fine. Because Honey Badger don't give a fuck.
I am a rector player but I know arianrhod* personally and I have played scapewish. You NEED to run abrupt decay liliana and dethrite Are huge problems that decay deals with so try that out because junk is everywhere!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire_dk
I don't know that liliana and shaman pose that much of a problem to rector ya shaman makes nightmare and rector sad but a well placed moat alongside big dudes pretty much wins you the game no matter what I played good players over the weekend including KOMAR who if you don't know who he is he is an exceptional player that pilots junk like no one else. I think it's better positioned than scapewish in the matchup but rector with its high threat density shouldn't have issues taking junk down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I rather like the sideboard that Erick Whelpley and I came up with for his list at SCG Baltimore. I don't remember it off the top of my head, though, so hopefully he'll see this and posts it. It had a pair of Abrupt Decays in the sideboard, IIRC, to help out with Liliana of the Veil especially.
I'm also a big fan of extra copies of Slaughter Games (and Memoricide/Cranial for non-red versions) right now. For Steve's list for Balitmore I bumped him up to 4 total, in a 2/2 split. The card is just batshit good right now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Went x-4 in Baltimore. List was amazing. Lost to sneak attack, junk, goblins, and rug. Board was the following:
3 slaughter games (best card in board)
3 red elemental blast
2 Abrupt decay (still need to find and out to junk and bug)
1 tsunami
1 innocent blood
1 virtue's ruin
1 Damniation
1 thoughtseize
1 scapewish
1 maelstrom pulse
Still am learning the deck
@ Arianrhod: back so soon? ^w^ Glad to see you haven't become a stranger yet ^_^
@ My BUG list: Do y'all think Prime Time is worth being a 61st card with only The Two Towers as notable searches? (i.e. no Treetop Villages)
Here are the results from my 2 last tournaments using Gifts Fit:
Creature (10)
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Grave Titan
Spells (27)
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Innocent Blood
1 Life from the Loam
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
2 Gifts Ungien
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Pernicious Deed
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
Lands (23)
1 Wasteland
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Island
Sideboard (15)
1 Karakas
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Extirpate
4 Thoughtseize
4 Negate
R1: 1-1-0 vs. Maverick
I took G1 and died during time in G2 (failled to find a Deed). Very slow player and the rounds were apparently 10 minutes shorter than I am used to. No sideboard.
R2: 2-0 vs NO Bant
I won G1 and G2 with a devastating Deed. No Sideboard.
R3: 2-0 vs. Maverick
Close games against my friend piloting a list I made for him so my therapies are on point. No Sideboard.
R4: 2-0 vs. Aggro Loam
Won G1 on the back of my single wasteland and my opponent cannot handle the gift pile.
-4 Therapy, +2 Spellbomb, +2 Extirpate
I Extirpate LftL and cast a Grave Titan that my opponent cannot handle.
R5: 0-2 vs. UG Infect
My opponent offers to draw into top8 as he is currently in first place but I refuse because I need another win for top8.
I get to eat 2X Invigorate and my Decay fizzles to Vines of Vastwood.
-1 Garruk, -1 Ooze, -1 Thragtusk -1 Grave Titan, +4 Thoughtseize
I saw 2X Invigorate again and eventualy died to Inkmoth Nexus.
R6: 2-0 vs. Canadian Thresh (RUG)
G1 was a close game that I stabilized off the back of an Ooze followed by Thragtusk.
-2 Therapy, +2 Carpet of Flowers
I end up Thragtusk looping and my opponent concedes.
At this point I am fairly confidant I will make top8 since my only loss is to the only person with a perfect score in the room. I finished 9th with 2 players in top8 with the same score as me... Oh, I also got to do a deck tech so I will link it when it will be posted.
The next event is a local tournament with about 20-25 players (less than half of the previous one I think).
R1: 2-0 vs. Aggro Loam
My opponent suffers several mulligans both games and I end up wiping his board and laying mine.
-4 Therapy, +2 Spellbomb, +2 Extirpate
R2: 2-1 vs. ZeRO (Zenith Rebirth Order combo)
I get combo'd on T3 and we go to G2.
-1 Garruk, -1 Jace, -1 Grave Titan, -1 Thrun, -1 LftL, -1 Wasteland, -2 Explorer, -2 Gifts, +4 Thoughtseize, +4 Negate, +2 Spellbomb
G2 and G3 are very long but discard + GY hate + backup Negate keeps my opponent on lockdown.
R3: 0-2 vs. OmniShow
Show n Tell on T2 for Gisselbrand and Grave Titan. Innocent Blood gets FoW, Grissel blocks and my opponent has 20ish cards in hand. I get Omni'd next turn.
-1 Garruk, -1 Pulse, -1 Decay, -1 Volrath, -1 Ooze, -1 Thrun, -1 Thragtusk, -4 Deed, +4 Thoughtseize, +4 Negate, +2 Extirpate, +1 Karakas
I draw rather poorly and take a Throught the Breach + Emrakul to the face. I almost recovered but my LftL was countered twice then my opponent went off again.
R4: 2-1 vs. UBr TorporNaught
I took G1 after drawing 3 Deeds in a row. No Sideboard.
Lost G2 to Dreadnought with counter backup.
G3 was tight but my opponent conceded to Garruk + Lily.
During my matches against ZeRO my opponent opened with Probe + Therapy twice and I liked it a lot. I am thinking about including 2-4 Probes and see how it goes.
I played BUG Control and BG Fun Stuff at the Open, both with Deathrite Shaman, and it isn't a problem for Rector as long as you have Phyrexian Tower or Starved Rusalka. It's all about timing--if you're keeping them from gaining two life or making you lose two just by keeping one land untapped (Tower / Forest), that seems fine to me. When they pull their trigger, you pull yours. No problem. And it's definitely NOT worse than fighting Ooze because they have to tap it. They don't get another chance. Rector is fine. Recurring Nightmare, on the other hand, should probably be sided out against those graveyard haters.
It helps that ours is a rogue-ish deck (so to speak), because people don't know what anyone is running. There's no perfectly stock list, and thanks to Sam making waves, half the people I played thought I was going to start dropping Valakuts. Hilarious.
I tried out a list a few weeks ago that shifted some of the big creatures and Recurring Nightmare out of the Rector build and replaced them with Doubling Season and some big Planeswalkers (Vraska, Karn, Elspeth KE) alongside Liliana. Going ult on Elspeth and Lily the turn they come into play is phenomenal, Vraska can be a 5-mana answer-me-now-or-die, and Karn is Karn. Eladamri's Call and Diabolic Intent were key players. Overall I think it may be too cute, but it was fun to test--and again, nobody knew what was coming.
Here's the list, which won a GPT for Denver. Credit to HoneyT.
61 Cards
23 Land
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Bayou
4 Forest
4 Swamp
2 Treetop Village
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower
14 Creatures
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
2 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
1 Acidic Slime
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Primeval Titan
1 Grave Titan
24 Spells
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Maelstrom Pulse
15 Sideboard
3 Extirpate
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
1 Damnation
1 Golgari Charm
1 Memoricide
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Nihil Spellbomb
This is the big reason I've spent the last few weeks playing a DGA-ish deck w/ a Bayou splashed to support the Shaman. Of course in my meta I'm also the guy who is running Shaman, so I guess I don't have to change, but at this point I don't think I can run Rector in Denver and thus I gotta get in some rounds with a new deck before then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
@Arianrhod: HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA, you made my day xD
@Yoric: I promise you, if I have a DRS on board, and you have a Rector on board, I will NEVER let you resolve the trigger. No matter what. +2/-2 life is nothing compared to a boarded Deed or Future Sight.
Also I do not think that it is worse than Ooze, which anyway people use gradually. Having DRS activated once in a turn does the same thing to me. No the thing that makes it worse is that it is not printed in a "limited" way as Ooze was, so it makes it available for everyone. That is the real pain in the ass.
By the way I like the PW thing :D
Doubling Season might be overplay, but having everyone on board is kinda funky to me xD
I remember when I was playing Omniscience, it happened to me a few times to Omniscience into Garruk and Sorin, and win just on that (basically it wins if Garruk makes 2 turns, flips and get Emrakul anyway ^^). Casting them together also wins ^^.
@TW: Forgot to say, Vraska is a cheap Karn ! I'd prefer way more to have Karn instead of the Medusa... but 7 that's a lot... But maybe with DRS it might be playable now, have to think about that :D
Exactly this. The sheer availability and commonplace use of Deathrite is the problem. Think about Scavenging Ooze. At its ABSOLUTE HEIGHT, Maverick was using it as a 3-of. One deck, 3 copies. Currently, we have BUG and Junk at least that are both 4-of Deathrite decks, to say nothing of stuff like Slik pointed out, that falls between the cracks (Deadguy, Zombies, whatever). I'd rather face the Maverick deck with 1x Ooze than the Junk deck with 4x Deathrite, to hell with Deathrite tapping or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by vilnico
The planeswalker idea sounds hysterical. I have no idea if it's actually good or not -- but it might be better than you think it is. Planeswalkers play very, very nicely with Pernicious Deed -- which is half the reason by itself why Nic Fit has so much trouble with opposing 'walkers. If we were using them instead of our opponents, that could turn powerful very quickly. It's worth further exploration IMO.
And I said I was scaling back, not quitting -- I'm still here, ready and willing to offer my thoughts. I'm just not posting 80 times a day like I was, nor going to every event within driving distance. On that note: I will be at Mythic this Saturday, and I will be doing something that I've long mentioned, but never actually attempted. It's pretty nutty. I'm not going to spoil the fun yet, but I'm pretty sure that the locals will appreciate it =)