[Primer] Nic Fit

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

spoiler from Hours of Devestation:

Ramunap Excavator
2G
Creature - Naga Cleric

You may play land cards from your graveyard.
"This world was once so much more than the confines of Naktamun."

illus. # 129/184
C&D
2/3

Another utility 3-drop, but has some serious usefulness. Makes Crop/KotR/Loam of whatever shenanigans more interesting.

so basically a Zenithable Crucible of Worlds.

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I'm really tempted to put this into a Nic Fit shell with Gitrog. But the more I was mulling it over I think I would replace Veteran Explorers with Exploration and put in Wasteland and maybe even Dustbowl. Some combination of: Exploration; Excavator; Gitrog; Tireless Tracker; Sylvan Safekeeper; Meren; E.Witness; Deed; Thoughtseize; DRS; Push; AD; Titania; Nissa.

If I was going to add a third color could go with KoTR and Swords but at that point it starts to become Maverick.

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Originally Posted by Purple Blood

I'm really tempted to put this into a Nic Fit shell with Gitrog. But the more I was mulling it over I think I would replace Veteran Explorers with Exploration and put in Wasteland and maybe even Dustbowl. Some combination of: Exploration; Excavator; Gitrog; Tireless Tracker; Sylvan Safekeeper; Meren; E.Witness; Deed; Thoughtseize; DRS; Push; AD; Titania; Nissa.

If I was going to add a third color could go with KoTR and Swords but at that point it starts to become Maverick.

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Wasteland and Veteran Explorer don't play well together. There's plenty of other good things to do with it though. For example, the Blighted lands get a little more appealing with this, previously they cost a bit too much for a 1 shot effect. Recurring a Blighted Fen would be a real strong lategame though.

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Originally Posted by Brael

Wasteland and Veteran Explorer don't play well together. There's plenty of other good things to do with it though. For example, the Blighted lands get a little more appealing with this, previously they cost a bit too much for a 1 shot effect. Recurring a Blighted Fen would be a real strong lategame though.

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Agreed, a Sylvan Plug shell comes more to mind.

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Originally Posted by Brael

Wasteland and Veteran Explorer don't play well together. There's plenty of other good things to do with it though. For example, the Blighted lands get a little more appealing with this, previously they cost a bit too much for a 1 shot effect. Recurring a Blighted Fen would be a real strong lategame though.

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Yea that's why I mentioned I was thinking to drop them out. But at that points its not Nic Fit anymore :(\

Good point on the blighted lands. Will have to think more on this.

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Originally Posted by Purple Blood

Good point on the blighted lands. Will have to think more on this.

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I've been wanting to use the Blighted lands for awhile. Blighted Fen is the most pushed of the bunch, but Blighted Gorge is also under rated. I've played Blighted Gorge in Modern before, to actual success. But, Legacy has Barbarian Ring so I'm not sure if Gorge would work in this format. Ring could be strictly better.

Could go simpler too. Maybe Horizon Canopy is enough. Each turn you could replay it, crack it, and draw a card. Plus it's a T1 green source (though a bit painful). Maybe even simpler than that, and simply having GSZ as a way to reassemble Two Towers (that you can build on the back of Crop Rotation) is enough.

Nic Fit with w/ Atraxa, Praetors' Voice on stream in round 5 of the GP atm.

Cool. Is it a 4C build, or 3C w/ Atraxa as "splash"?

Never mind, clicked the link and it's a 4C build. All them basics! And Brainstorm. OMG, lol.

Fuck, yes!

This card seems very nice sex drop if you don't play white:

http://mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/carnagetyrant.html

4GG
Creature - Dinosaur
Carnage Tyrant can't be countered.

Trample, hexproof

He is hard to deal with.

You forgot to add it's 7/6.

No evasion/trample though.

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Originally Posted by Echelon

You forgot to add it's 7/6.

No evasion/trample though.

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It has Trample. And it's 7/6

Pseudo Sigarda for non white versions? To be honest I don't like to play 6 drops in my decks..

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Originally Posted by Ganfar

It has Trample. And it's 7/6

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Yup, I missed the trample. My bad!

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Originally Posted by rubblekill

Pseudo Sigarda for non white versions? To be honest I don't like to play 6 drops in my decks..

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I do like it, but I know I just shouldn't and therefor don't.

But... At 5 mana and non-white, you have Verdurous Gearhulk as an 8/8 trampler. It too has Bolt-proof and Fatal Push-proof. Just no StP-proof.

It's a better version of Sagu Mauler, which has seen occasional play in BUG lists. Probably worth testing. 7 power is a lot.

Gearhulk is nice but it's also vulnerable to artifact hate (Kommand in particular), and dies to Dismember in response to the ETB trigger, as well as Jace bounce.

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Originally Posted by Ganfar

This card seems very nice sex drop if you don't play white:

http://mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/carnagetyrant.html

4GG
Creature - Dinosaur
Carnage Tyrant can't be countered.

Trample, hexproof

7/6

He is hard to deal with.

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This is the beef that the grindy Jund version always missed.

2 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Tropical Island
1 Scrubland
1 Underground Sea
2 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Island
1 Plains
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Phyrexian Tower

1 Dryad Arbor

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Grim Flayer
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Eternal Witness
1 Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
1 Siege Rhino
1 Titania, Priestess of Argoth
1 Sigarda, Heron's Grace

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Hymn to Tourach
1 Diabolic Intent

4 Brainstorm
2 Abrupt Decay

2 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Garruk, Apex Predator

3 Pernicious Deed

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2 Thoughtseize
2 Engineered Plague
2 Trinisphere
2 Sandwurm Convergence
3 Leyline of the Void
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Vindicate
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Disenchant

Scalped the list from the guy that was on stream yesterday from the twitch broadcast. Everything was clear enough except the Disenchant in the board -- I think that's what it is, but it could be some other white card.

I'm a little skeptical of a couple things about this list (probably leading to why it was in the 2-0-2 bracket), but there are equally a couple of things that I find interesting, in particular the tag-team of Grim Flayer and Liliana, Last Hope. I'd be curious to know how often those cards overperformed, for sure. I feel like Flayer is likely just not good enough no matter how much we might want it to be; but Liliana is interesting. I've played that card in standard a bunch, and still do in modern (sideboard for Fae, but, still), and it ranges from average to an absolute beating...it's rarely bad.

I feel like he has too many blue sources for literally Brainstorms and a Green Sunnable Atraxa (also like he should 100% be running Steve here), but maybe he plans to fetch U early for Brainstorm and then get Wastelanded?

The maindeck Hymns are interesting, too, since that's a card that's good at generating advantage and sometimes just flat winning the game. Brainstorm helps run cards like Hymn, I think, because it can turn otherwise dead draws late (like Hymn) into potential gas.

So while I don't think this list is particularly the best piece of art I've ever seen, I do think it has some ideas that have merit and should be considered.

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As for Ixalan stuff; I don't think the Carnage Tyrant is really what we're looking for. It does beat StP, yes, and it's a step up from other options like Thrun, because it beats TNN, but it still loses to Goyf, KotR, equipments, etc. It still doesn't have any kind of value generated upon enter. It flat dies to double TNN. I think if it was a 6/7 I'd be more likely to care...with 6 on the ass, though, I don't love it.

The spyglass could very well be relevant to us. We get extra value from the information it provides, and it can name both non-land and land abilities, although it can't hit Petal and LED. Also, being cmc 2 is actually an advantage for us, since it won't die if we Deed at 1, like vs Elves, for example.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

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Atraxa deck:

Needs more Strixes. Probably in place of Flayer.
Sorin and Garruk should probably be Kaya and Gideon.
Hymn -> Collective Brutality
Titania and Rhino should probably just be Trackers. Maybe a Transform Nissa.
Playing white without a Swords variant seems like something of a mistake.

Carnage Tyrant:

I quite like it. It only loses to Goyf if yards are ridiculously full, and it's great in combination with Deed. It dies to double TNN, but they still have to keep them both back as blockers, and even then he still tramples in for 5. He also deals with everything Deed doesn't (i.e. planeswalkers). He definitely does look like the best 6-drop Jund has, since he's way less answerable than Titans (uncounterable is big), and tbh I'm tempted to try him out as a curve topper in other builds too.

Verdant(?) Sun's Avatar 3GG Dinosaur Avatar

When ~ or another creature enters the battlefield under your control, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.

5/5

This probably replaces Thragtusk in Rhino versions at least, if anyone is still playing the 1-of Thrag alongside the Rhinos.

(Not Tireless) Tracker B Human Pirate

1B, Tap, exile two target cards from an opponent's graveyard. ~ Explores/Discovers (Reveal the top card of your library,. Put that card into your hand if it is a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on ~, then put the card back or put it in your graveyard.)

This mechanic is nutty and we 100% need to be on the lookout for playable green cards with it. That is definitely a type of card advantage we wouldn't mind.

Sunbird's Invocation 3R Enchantment

Whenever you cast a spell from your hand, reveal the top X cards of your library, where X is that spell's CMC. You may cast a card revealed this way with CMC X or less without paying its mana cost. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

This seems like it could be worth keeping an eye on, as well.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

This is the beef that the grindy Jund version always missed.

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Agreed, I'll consider this for BG.

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Originally Posted by Brael

Agreed, I'll consider this for BG.

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+1

I'm currently playing the following list:

Golgari Fit:

1 Dryad Arbor
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Swamp
4 Bayou
4 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Verdant Catacombs

1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Ishkanah, Grafwidow
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Tireless Tracker
3 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer

1 Karn Liberated
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Nissa, Vital Force

1 Pernicious Deed
2 Sylvan Library

2 Abrupt Decay
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Pulse of Murasa

1 Toxic Deluge
2 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Hymn to Tourach
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith

SB: 1 Reclamation Sage
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 3 Duress
SB: 3 Faerie Macabre
SB: 3 Lost Legacy
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Choke

There is 60 cards MD and I am trying Kalonian Hydra as the 61th to see if it adds more impact/helps killing faster.
I could definitely see trying the new Dinosaure when it is available.

Ishkanah has been a house in the control+finish department. Either by stalling long enough so that something else could take over the game or by being a kill by itself.
The rest is pretty standard and low curved.
The list turns out to be grindy and players that are not very familiar with hard control might not like it. Nonetheless, my current tests are really convincing since SDT's ban.

Should you have any questions/comments, feel free.

Happy brewing & testing !

Ralf

How often do you get Delirium for Ishkanah? Seems like it would be difficult to achieve. Is that the slot where you would be looking at the 7/6?