[DTB] Vial Goblins

In my meta, there is actually both dreadstill and painter combo. The playtesting against these MUs are as follows:

Painter: Very tough. I know the popular builds, at least here on the source, are mono-red or RU, and they run imperial tutor. The guy who plays at my card shop runs a 3-color splash (I know, it sounds horrible) and has actually won with it consistently. He plays counter-top, counterspells, tarmogoyf, blue blasts, stuff like that. Its very tough to get a spell through, and he has trinket mages and wordly tutor I believe? to get out his pieces. Post board is tough cause he brings in pyroclasm and such. He's beaten me in four of the five games we've played, as I can never resolve the removal for the combo pieces, and even if I do, theres academy ruins in there too. Overall, at least against this build, its 40/60 at best.

Dreadstill: The player at my shop plays UW, so no goyfs. This MU is pretty good, since you mainly have one threat to worry about (he plays wake thrasher and factories, but both are easily overrun). Too many ways to beat his 'nought, especially post-board, if you bring in grips and e-explosives.

So thats what I have for you guys. I know these two builds aren't the ones played most successfully, at least as reported on the source, but I do believe that the painter player has a guild build going, as it has ways to deal with lots of hate. Who knows, I haven't looked at the painter thread much recently, so maybe thats what they're doing now too.

What do you guys think about Dragon Fodder? I think it would really help out in certain situations like ramping up a Piledriver or recovering from a sweeper. It's gotta be worth testing at least. It sucks that it's not as good as some of the Lorwyn tech seeing as Matron and Ringleader can't see it. That may be it's downfall.

I'd rather play Mogg War Marshal instead. And I won't play Mogg War Marshal, so...

But I love the flavor on Dragon Fodder though. Absolutely hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Brizentine Empire

In my meta, there is actually both dreadstill and painter combo. The playtesting against these MUs are as follows:

Painter: Very tough. I know the popular builds, at least here on the source, are mono-red or RU, and they run imperial tutor. The guy who plays at my card shop runs a 3-color splash (I know, it sounds horrible) and has actually won with it consistently. He plays counter-top, counterspells, tarmogoyf, blue blasts, stuff like that. Its very tough to get a spell through, and he has trinket mages and wordly tutor I believe? to get out his pieces. Post board is tough cause he brings in pyroclasm and such. He's beaten me in four of the five games we've played, as I can never resolve the removal for the combo pieces, and even if I do, theres academy ruins in there too. Overall, at least against this build, its 40/60 at best.

Dreadstill: The player at my shop plays UW, so no goyfs. This MU is pretty good, since you mainly have one threat to worry about (he plays wake thrasher and factories, but both are easily overrun). Too many ways to beat his 'nought, especially post-board, if you bring in grips and e-explosives.

So thats what I have for you guys. I know these two builds aren't the ones played most successfully, at least as reported on the source, but I do believe that the painter player has a guild build going, as it has ways to deal with lots of hate. Who knows, I haven't looked at the painter thread much recently, so maybe thats what they're doing now too.

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I personally love playing against painter decks, because (unlike the one your friend is running) most of them run REB, jaya ballard etc, and yell 'blue' as soon as the painter hits the board, which results in all matrons fetching immortal and unblockable piledrivers :) One time the guy I played again yelled red, purely out of fear for piledrivers, and invalidated half of his deck.
It can get tough if you don't draw into piledrivers fast enough though and they all get countered but when you include matrons in the mix it's not hard to get one or two down early enough.

If Piledriver is being dropped to a 3-of because of "win more" status, then why not just run matron, warchief, lackey, and ringleader as a 3-of?

Wait, all those cards win games. As a landstill player, I'm excited that anyone is willing to drop piledriver to a 3-of, so it's one less piledriver I have to answer.

I personally run 4 piledrivers, because I use a single bloodmark mentor to support them with so it would seem like madness to run less than 4.

To each his own I guess, but this mentor has proven himself time and time again, turning an even matchup into an unfair one.

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Originally Posted by Ectoplasm

I personally run 4 piledrivers, because I use a single bloodmark mentor to support them with so it would seem like madness to run less than 4.

To each his own I guess, but this mentor has proven himself time and time again, turning an even matchup into an unfair one.

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First of all, I don't believe cutting piledriver down to 3 is really all that bad. You have to find room for removal and when they have us warren wierding the cut to 3 was made in my list. This gave me the option of running 5 removal spells (any combo of incinerator/wierding).

It is also very important to keep the land base at 23, I really can't state that enough. You need to be able to hit 4 mana consistenly.

I guess, I could free up 2 slots by cutting 1 sharpshooter and 1 tin street hooligan, but they keep on proving to be very good 1 of's.

We already stated that piledriver is the weakest goblin in the deck, so that is why it would be the first cut in the deck.

Isn't anyone playing Pithing Needles out of the SB? That card just solves so many problems for the deck. My SB is:

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Krosan Grip
3 Pithing Needle
1 Goblin Sharpshooter

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Originally Posted by kicks_422

Isn't anyone playing Pithing Needles out of the SB? That card just solves so many problems for the deck. My SB is:

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Krosan Grip
3 Pithing Needle
1 Goblin Sharpshooter

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I think Needle tends to lose ground to builds packing Grip, though I've been known to run a full playset of both Needles and Grips in R/G builds. My R/B Board runs Needle, though. It looks like this:

4 Leyline of the Void
4 Pithing Needle
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pyrokinesis/Thoughtseize, depending on metagame.

What are you afraid of that you would need to board in Pithing Needle?

I was thinking mainly Jitte and Deed. Additionally, Grindstone, SoFI, Factory, blue fetchlands, SDT, Shackles, Ravager, Belcher, etc.

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Originally Posted by Dino

What are you afraid of that you would need to board in Pithing Needle?

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Grindstone? Goblin Charbelcher? Umezawa's Jitte? Survival of the Fittest? Nomads En-Kor? Pernicious Deed? Psychatog?

Pithing Needle shines because it's amazing against random janky shit that might kill you otherwise. That and being one of the easiest cards to cast in the game. You aren't obligated to board it in every time you see a card you can use it against. You just have to make your best guess as to whether it's better than certain other cards in your deck for the match.

You missed Pernicious Deed probably the scariest needleable card next to Jitte.

hi, i'm new here, and love the goblin deck.

in the maindeck, i think that goblins really need some more cards to deal with creatures. Tarmogoyfs, dreadnoughts, crushers, terravores, they are all big fatties for few mana, and goblins really cant do anything against but outnumber them. Sadly, numbers many times dont really make the difference, so i started to play 4 warren wierdings and 4 snuff out. Weirding is great against threshold and aggro loam, and against dreadnoughts it really puts the match in the "fair" state. But, nothing is perfect, and many times they will counter your weirding with a spell snare or a fow. So, here comes snuff out. Yes, i know its not a goblin card, but hell, its GREAT in the practice. Its a free killer!!, they cant countertop it, no spell snares for it, the only threat is fow. I think Gempalm incinerator cant handle the real threats of the post-tarmo era, so i cutted them out. And, (i know i can sound like a betrayer) i cutted the fanatics. Fanatics are great against ichorid and confidants, but both weirding and snuff out can help you in the first match, and post-boards just start with leylines or tormods.

i have tested against threshold, dreadstill, aggro loam, and painters, and i just seem satisfied with the results.

Long life to goblins!!!!

bye!!

I prefer simply boarding in an earwig squad to handle random scary sweeper shit, you can just fetch it and rip out 3 explosives or deeds without a chance of retaliation :) So you can put stuff like cabal therapy in your board for more versatility, also, boarding in therapies and a squad will assrape combodecks, given you get a chance to bring them out.

On the subject of snuff out: I really don't like those because you will throw them on the bottom of your library every time you cast a ringleader. I know people who play RW goblins and imo the only edge those decks have over RGB is the goblin mirrormatch, where your weirdings won't do a whole lot compared to a plow.

yes, its very sad when you reveal a snuff out with a ringleader, but i think its a little price to pay in exchange of killing a 12/12, a 5/6 tarmo or a 8/8 terravore for free:wink:

bye!

hey guys, i was reading the first posts of this thread, and some people suggested 4 maindeck chalice of the void..............

Has anyone tested them, replacing the fanatics? i mean, land one chalice with a counter and you have dreadstill, threshold, elves :laugh: , goyf sligh, combo decks (excluding iggy pop) to your knees.

please feedback :wink:

anybody have preferences on the proper number of incenerators/wieridngs should be MD?

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Originally Posted by beastman

anybody have preferences on the proper number of incenerators/wieridngs should be MD?

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I've always like a 2/2 split main and 2 more Weirdings in the side.

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Originally Posted by beastman

anybody have preferences on the proper number of incenerators/wieridngs should be MD?

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4 weirdings, o gempalms. Yeah, i know im a betrayer, but most of the time the incinerators cant kill anything except a confidant or a trinket mage. Its kind the same thing that happens with fanatics.

bye!