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well...that ban just kills combo....bye bye reanimator i quess. I do not see another card taking the place of mystical. It's one of the best cards in the deck, and taking that away means no more reanimator. Think it kills NLS and ANT as well, no more combo:-S
Seconded!
Haha, I'm playing in 4 more events before july 1st. I guarantee you in everyone one of them I'll be playing mystical tutor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipp2293
we'll be fine,
I'll just have to update my own list with some more aggressive cards.
I lose mainboard bounce,3 mysticals:
lim-duls is a good alternative for the ponderlists to replace mystical. which could also allow us to run a 4-off show and tell again in SB instead of the 1-off mystical targets we had.
it's only a turn slower, but still does the same or even more than mystical did.
I probably run a few more creatures or go back to the drawing board and make myself a new list with putrid imps mainboard and getting the creature count up to 8 or 9 again.
Merchant Scroll? I slows the deck but maybe it's viable..
Or Lim-du vault as already suggested..
In the lists that don't run Ponder I would probably add it now instead of the Mystical Tutor (wtf).
yeah! you reanimator guys out there still have until june 30 to enjoy MT with it.
does anyone here have any replacement card for MT?
how about personal tutor?
Wow, I had no idea this thread got moved to DTB. I couldn't find it. It feels like the OP should get an overhaul now that it's a DTB.
As for the bannings...
I think Intuition is the best option for B/U Reanimator decks. The deck needs a tutor of some sort, cantrips are just simply too random to get you the answer you need when you need it. And Personal Tutor by being unable to grab Entomb is too narrow. Intuition makes for a slower more controllish version of the deck. But it's also extremely flexible as far as cards go and generates card parity/card advantage. So I think the deck wouldn't be hurt very badly at all.
Intuition costs three mana, doesn't create any card disadvantage, and either dumps both an Iona and a Inkwell Leviathan into the yard and puts another Iona in your hand, or dumps 2 Iona's into your yard and puts an Inkwell Leviathan into your yard that you can pitch to FoW.
But more importantly, Intuition can grab you a FoW or Daze or Stifle at instant speed and put it directly into your hand, in response to a Noetic Scales for example.
And anyone that thinks Intuition is too slow or doesn't fit hasn't tried the card imo. It works really well in the deck despite the cc.
I think that neither ANT nor Reanimator will die due to the banning of Mystical Tutor. As for Reanimator I think that Ponder is the best replacement for MYstical Tutor combined with some more reanimation spells.
Reanimation spells isn't what Reanimator is short on. It's ways to tutor creatures into your yard. Right now it only has Entomb, and without Mystical Tutor to tutor it up, it's not enough.
There's two route the deck can go...
A super aggro route that plays more creatures, 4 careful study, along with more Reanimate effects to make up for being unable to tutor them up with Mystical Tutor and maybe even something like Putrid Imp would be neccesary to ensure you have enough ways to get creatures into the yard.
This of course would force the deck to cut cards like Thoughtseize to make room, and I think will ultimately prove too one minded and be suboptimal.
The other route to go is to make the deck slower but more controllish and more resilient, more akin to Bant for example.
Intuition by not creating card disadvantage and by being able to grab Daze or FoW or Thoughtseize at instant speed in response to a key spell pushes the deck toward a more controllish route.
This means playing 3 Thoughtseize, Intuition, a few Tombstalker and possibly even cutting a single Reanimate to play 3 Animate Dead or something of that sort.
Hmmm I agree with your point on Wasteland, perhaps I'm being a little to overconcerned about New Horizon (this isnt exactly standard where ppl always play the new flavor of the week). I'll go back to +2 Swamp and +2 Island instead (before that I switched it to a more basic heavy version which was working fine against comboy decks). What are your thoughts on Realm Razer (I haven't been talked into it, I assumed it was Lands)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Shake
I tried 2x Perish against New Horizon and wasn't thrilled . . . k resolving/finding it was awesome, having to spend a mystical tutor on it was not so. Moving up to three might be the right call though.
As for Daze in the New Horizon match up . . . it is not good in SB games, things go way to long (cause of crypts or trying to assemble the combo through counters) and Daze just stop shinning. You kinda see if by playing those matches out (not fun!).
Would you mind telling me your thoughts on Stifle? I listed all of the reaons on why I thought it was better then Pithing Needle, I'm interested in hear your opinion (expanded beyond "it doesn't do what you need it to). Thanks for the input.
I'm working on a new primer. I just have been very busy in rl the last month.Quote:
It feels like the OP should get an overhaul now that it's a DTB.
Has anyone looked at taking the deck in a direction more like old Psychatog? i.e. a control deck with a combo/creature finish? A bunch of cantrips, some draw&discard spells for draw/advantage, then a bunch of control cards and finish with the reanimation package? Basically taking the deck slower and in more of a control/combo hybrid position? Or am I just crazy for thinking that?
I'm not particularily happy about this either as I was going to be playing this in Columbus.
What if you though replace the mystical with hapless researcher. Sure it doesnt get those random things that the mystical could but it does give you another nice option for discard and it is blue for force of will.
If anyone has paid attention, there is a deck on magic online that has been doing well in the legacy daily events that replaced the careful study for the researcher.
This way we just run both. Old reanimator was running both and looking back as well, many weren't running mystical either.
It isn't great to have it gone, but its also not the end of the world either.
If you ran Psychatog why bother with the big fatties and just use Beserk . . . that is if you're looking for a combo win.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
No, not a control deck per se. But a more controllish deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
Intuition and playing 3/4 Thoughtseizes are good first steps in that direction. It tutors for reanimate spell, tutors for answers, functions as Entomb 5-8, doesn't cause card disadvantage and most importantly also grabs stuff like Daze and FoW at instant speed in response to a key spell.
My testing has shown it to be very strong.
In light of -4x Mystical, we should consider either Ponder or Personal Tutor and 1x Buried Alive (Intuition is much weaker). Careful Study now appears irreplaceable, and we should consider higher redundancy in Reanimator targets (particularly Iona). I think the deck is much less powerful without the tutor, but it is certainly salvageable (I'm doubtful it will be DTB material in the future though).
Some may consider CounterTop in the deck, but frankly, I think Tarmogoyf + friends is a more consistent strategy than Reanimator with a CBTop shell.
peace,
4eak
If we were to replace Mystical Tutor with a creature and I don't think we should, I think Intuition is the better option...
but if we were, I think there are cases to be made for both Hapless Researcher and Putrid Imp...
Putrid Imp Pros
Lets you fly over head and attack for one or two damage.
Can be sacced to edict effect after you renimate your Inkwell
Hapless Researcher Pros
Is Blue (can be pitched to fow)
Draws you a card.
I don't know, it seems like both cards have their own merits.
But another option is... why not simply run a full playset of 4 Thoughtseize and even a couple of Blackmail/Cabal Therapy. That way, you can target yourself to make yourself discard a creature, or if you have no creature in hand, you can target your opponent to get rid of hate.
Here are some cards that can offer potential replacements or if not at least fuel discussion and conjecture. I have made the list more complete rather than less so, thus there are cards you will not agree with.
Artifact
S. Top
Scroll Rack
Blue
Mental Note
Ponder
Predict
Personal Tutor
Intuition
Strategic Planning ---> My personal choice.
Hapless Researcher
Gifts Ungiven
Fact or Fiction
Impulse
Merchant Scroll
Black
Buried Alive
Putrid Imp
Gold
Lim Dul's Vault
-Cheers-
PS- I would also think -4 MT +4 Show and Tell would be a possibility. The deck may need to move to more of a show and tell deck.
Before people freak out, I am pretty sure ppl need to test A)Lim-Dul's Vault, B) Personal Tutor, and C) Sensei's Divining Top in the spot that was Mystical Tutor.
Wanted to post briefly - the bulk of my Monday article is about Reanimator. It was awesome having to re-write it as I found out Mystical was banned at 12:05 AM just as I finished writing it..... grumble grumble.
Anyway, I think you have to consider the two things Mystical brings to the table: 1 - Consistency, 2 - Resilience
Consistency is actually relatively easy to replicate. Personal Tutor does the same thing, but not as well. Ponder and Top dig and play nice with all the fetches and Careful Studies. Strategic Planning is an expensive but very good option as it digs 3 and dumps into the Graveyard. I also like the idea of playing with the mana base and adding Cephalid Coliseum paired with Strat. Planning.
The Resilience, well, that's hard to replicate. You lose your ability to run 1 E. Truth, or1 Show and Tell; wasting an Entomb on a set-up card becomes much worse w/out Mystical Tutor because each Entomb is much more precious. Single cards like Diabolic Edict or Coffin Purge become much worse out of the board.
Ultimately, I think Reanimator actually remains a top-tier deck. If most people forget about it, it will still smash unprepared Aggro players with ease. It just might have to up its anti-CB cards (like Null Rod, Needle, Wipe Away, or even splashing into K. Grip or Reverent Silence off Dryad Arbor).