Enough people are fine with the switch, so Reep now plays the following four:
Reeplcheep: Mishra's Factory, Swamp, Deathspore Thallid, Innocent blood
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Enough people are fine with the switch, so Reep now plays the following four:
Reeplcheep: Mishra's Factory, Swamp, Deathspore Thallid, Innocent blood
Me is also score this amount yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
After fixing Reeps typoconfuzzlement we go for 27 points.
EldraziSmashmaster Results for Round "Don't Force Combo"
1. Asthereal (TO): Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Infiltrator il-Kor
You use the Force 0-6
2. Reeplcheep: Mishra's Factory, Swamp, Deathspore Thallid, Innocent blood
You draw first Blood 3-3
3. dte: Plains, Cenn's Tactician, Gideon's Lawkeeper, deftblade elite
Eldrazi smash! 6-0
4. alphastryk: Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Infiltrator il-Kor
You use the Force 0-6
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Wildfield Borderpost, Tidehollow Sculler, Putrid Leech
Discard 3-3
6. H: Mountain, Reckless Waif, Forge Devil, Death Spark
Eldrazi smash! 6-0
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Porcelain Legionnaire
That's me!
8. silkster: Forest, Lush Growth, Granger Guildmage, Utopia Mycon
LD 0-6
9. Tylert: Island, Aether vial, Qasali pridemage, Faceless butcher
Eldrazi smash, then stare at the Butcher 4-1
10. maxx!: Keldon Megaliths, Gruul Turf, Sparksmith, Tin Street Hooligan
Eldrazi smash! 6-0
11. FTW: Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Phantasmal Terrain, Infiltrator il-Kor
LD 1-4
Total: 28 points
1. Asthereal (TO): Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Infiltrator il-Kor
2. Reeplcheep: Mishra's Factory, Swamp, Deathspore Thallid, Innocent blood
3. dte: Plains, Cenn's Tactician, Gideon's Lawkeeper, deftblade elite
4. alphastryk: Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Infiltrator il-Kor
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Wildfield Borderpost, Tidehollow Sculler, Putrid Leech
6. H: Mountain, Reckless Waif, Forge Devil, Death Spark
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Porcelain Legionnaire
8. silkster: Forest, Lush Growth, Granger Guildmage, Utopia Mycon
9. Tylert: Island, Aether vial, Qasali pridemage, Faceless butcher
10. maxx!: Keldon Megaliths, Gruul Turf, Sparksmith, Tin Street Hooligan
11. FTW: Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Phantasmal Terrain, Infiltrator il-Kor
1. Asthereal: Force of will has to be banned :) 0-6 --> 0
2. Reeplcheep: Innocent blood kills pridemage, butcher removes Thallid and as I have received forst damage. I stay in defence. 2-2 --> 2
3. dte: If I keep butcher for tactician, I'll die to elite. If I use butcher to remove Lawkeeper, tactitian will come into play and build a big soldier before I can kill you. 0-6 --> 2
4. Alphastryk: Force of will should be banned :) 0-6 --> 2
5. Wrath Of pie: If I can land butcher on Leech, I win. So you play sculler first. You have to take pridemage with sculler, Because if you take butcher, I can land pridemage and race until you play leech that I can exile by killing sculler with butcher. So you take Pridemage. I use butcher on sculler and we stare at each other. 2-2 --> 4
6. H: Pridemage can block waif and butcher will race devil. 6-0 --> 10
7. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP, You can land legionnaire early to prevent pridemage from attacking (You can't attack yourself because of the 2 damage you've taken from legionnaire) and it's a staredown. OTD, I'm one turn too late. 1-4 --> 11
8. Silkster: Lush growth does nothing to me. Butcher takes Mycon. You have at most 1 thallid (Didn't do the exact math). I can race Granger after. 6-0 --> 17
9. Me.
10. Maxx!: Hooligan takes vial. sparksmith kills pridemage. 0-6 --> 17
11. FTW: FOrce of will has to be banned :) 0-6 --> 17
Total 17.
That's the goal! not sure we'll get there this week thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
I tried to help!Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
We won't. Unless H has any contradicatory results, everyone else is in.Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
I finished in 4th, and the other FoW decks are a bit under, so Force will stick around another day. Anti-Force decks (Cenn's Tactician, Lush Growth, Megaliths) will get banned instead.
FTW's innovation had Force of Will into the top 3, but everything was so close and easily disrupted by the rightful appearance of Deathspore Thallid. It looks like it'll be another week with Force of Will roaming free. I am glad that Utopia Mycon is getting banned. I hate having to plan for cards that I bring into the meta. Interestingly, Force of Will is the only uncommon I've played that isn't banned (though it's not like people were unaware of it before). I have no idea if they feel similarly, but I just checked the "ones that got away" for the other leaders: for dte, it's only Channel; and FTW this week swapped out Cenn's Tactician for Force of Will.Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
This week felt hard. I knew about a bunch of cards that I would lose to single-handedly, but I couldn't find any way around it. The flatness of the results* seems to echo my sentiment. I looked over some of my other decks on my list and they were getting 24, 24, 24, 27, 18 points. I finally found a deck that would have been good in this meta, but I don't even think that's going to help for next week, though it was a fun puzzle.
*I did a quick check of the standard deviations of each of the 8 rounds: 1.5, 1.4, 1.2, 1.6, 1.2, 1.1, 1.2, 0.6.
My apologies to the Europeans who use decimals and commas backwards from how I do it. I originally copied and pasted the round results into my own spreadsheet to thinker with, but my spreadsheet wasn't properly interpreting the commas as decimal points, so I gave up trying to reformat it and just did it on the official document. So I sort of your formatting pain.
H: Mountain, Reckless Waif, Forge Devil, Death Spark
1. Asthereal (TO): Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Infiltrator il-Kor
Yeah, I can't do anything to force a win through Force. 2-2
2. Reeplcheep: Mishra's Factory, Swamp, Deathspore Thallid, Innocent blood
Pretty sure I can't beat Factory. We disagree here because you have me playing Devil first, which I can't really do, I have to play Waif first and then I lose that to Blood. 0-6
3. dte: Plains, Cenn's Tactician, Gideon's Lawkeeper, deftblade elite
Finally some X/1 creatures I can beat. I think I win both here. 6-0
4. alphastryk: Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Infiltrator il-Kor
Same as round 1. 2-2
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Wildfield Borderpost, Tidehollow Sculler, Putrid Leech
X/2 creatures make me sad. 0-6
6. H: Bye, myself.
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Porcelain Legionnaire
I wasn't even pretending I could beat this. 0-6
8. silkster: Forest, Lush Growth, Granger Guildmage, Utopia Mycon
Lush Growth doesn't do much here, it could enable your own Guildmage but I'd kill it long before it matters. 6-0
9. Tylert: Island, Aether vial, Qasali pridemage, Faceless butcher
I can't beat this. 0-6
10. maxx!: Keldon Megaliths, Gruul Turf, Sparksmith, Tin Street Hooligan
I think the only saving grace here for me is that getting the Sparksmith and Megaliths online is slow, so I can flip Waif and then pick off the 1/1's in time. 6-0
11. FTW: Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Phantasmal Terrain, Infiltrator il-Kor
Yeah, I think we do draw here, since even in the worst case I can just hold all my cards until the Kor resolves. 2-2
24 maybe?
Of course, look how much stronger it is than Delver of Secrets. Wizards doesn't have any color bias at all. All basic lands are created equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
... some are just more equal than others.
#banIsland
Interestingly, this matchup is so bad for you that the Channel combo even flips back Reckless Waif into a 1/1.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
I was so confused by this and even checked Asthereal's score before realizing that Forge Devil is an unhappy camper when cast on an empty board, just like ole FTK. These scores look right.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
I also definitely didn't realize the devil kills itself on an empty board.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Scores for round 8:
1. dte: 36 - 3,6
1. maxx!: 36 - 3,6
3. silkster: 34 - 3,4
4. Reeplcheep: 31 - 3,1
4. FTW: 31 - 3,1
6. GoblinSmashmaster: 29 - 2,9
7. Asthereal (TO): 27 - 2,7
7. alphastryk: 27 - 2,7
9. H: 24 - 2,4
11. Wrath of Pie: 17 - 1,7
11. Tylert: 17 - 1,7
Which leads to these bannings:
Cenn's Tactician
Deftblade Elite
Gideon's Lawkeeper
Granger Guildmage
Gruul Turf
Keldon Megaliths
Lush Growth
Sparksmith
Tin Street Hooligan
Utopia Mycon
And the season standings look as follows:
1. silkster: 33,6
2. dte: 33
3. FTW: 30,3
4. maxx!: 25,1
5. GoblinSmashmaster: 20,5
6. Wrath of Pie: 19,8
6. Asthereal (TO): 19,8
8. alphastryk: 18,6
9. Reeplcheep: 17,8
10. H: 16,7
11. Tylert: 16,5
12. Karshtakavaar: 2,6
So silk and dte still fighting hard for the top spot, FTW following close behind.
maxx! now finds himself in a bit of no man's land, far behind the top 3 but also well ahead of the rest.
ROUND 9 OF SEASON 8: PEASANT CONTINUED BANNATHON has started.
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 9, so you can start sending me your decks.
DEADLINE: Wednesday the 25th of November at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)
PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Swamp, Terror, Black Knight.
So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S08R09 in the topic.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.
After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.
Also, if you've been lurking on this thread and looking to join, you can step in anytime, any round. That's no problem at all. Just send me your deck before the deadline, and I'll add you to the competition. :smile:
Happy deck designing everybody! :cool:
Did you try saving via a file format and opening that?Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
I appreciate that the upcoming round has a giant "DO NOT PLAY BORDERPOSTS" sign, now I can find a new way to fail!
It does not stop me to fail every week :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Yeah, this round might not be good for Aether Vial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
I don't know. It looks as if playing Force of will might be a bad idea too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
And anyway, as i'm the lone vial player. why metagame against me? :)
I only tried copying and pasting the entries, and then I found another way to do it, so I stopped trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Here I thought this round we just played came with a "DO NOT RELY ON A 1-DROP TO ENABLE YOUR DECK" sign, so I lost to most who ignored that. :tongue:
The problem is less that people are metagaming against you and more that the metagame just happens to hate on what you're doing. At least, that's how I've felt. I won't deny that I do check my decks against what I think you'll play, though you can see that I ignored it this week. I was prepared to lose to basic+Chronomaton regardless of what other two cards you played!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
ANd that is probably the way to go. Because I'm the lone chrono / vial player :)Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
Yeah, my Google Drive is in Dutch, so it uses the Dutch way for decimal notation.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
I would be perfectly fine using the U.S. way, but I'm not switching my Drive to U.S. English. :tongue:
Just a question to be sure on coin flips: if from an intricate situation I am to win more from losing a coin flip, then do I win it?
To be clear: the effect is clearly stated as win and lose. It is obviously much better to win in >99.9% cases (or would appear so to non 4 CB aficionados).
But in a few (very) corner cases, it would be beneficial to lose the dice.
Should I assume that if such a situation arose, I would win the coin flip (which would still be beneficial, but less)?
Hard to be more specific without giving away a deck :)
My understanding is that whatever the worst possible outcome is for the controller of the random effect is what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
Owner, actually, but that rarely is relevant. (Donating a Mana Crypt, for example, is not a win condition because the Crypt's new controller never loses a coin flip unless it would result in winning.)Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
So if I steal a mana crypt with a Thieving Skydiver, it is effectively a sol ring?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Otherwise thanks for the answers, that tells me the result for my small problem - I actually had two still-legit pauper decks facing this little trouble, but one is definitely more fun than great :)
Hilariously, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
I'm not sure whether we defined the rule optimally.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
The idea is that if you get donated a Mana Crypt, you have a Sol Ring, and if you intentionally steal one, you will get all the damage. That's the idea of the rule. But I don't think we can define it well enough to make that happen, so let's stick to owner, so steal a Mana Crypt and you profit. It's one of those edge cases that shouldn't affect our competition too much.
If someone is going to put in that much effort to steal a Mana Crypt that most hands wouldn't play anyways, may as well let them have it damage-free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
I know this was already answered, but I wanted to share my phrasing of it: the non-owner chooses the outcome of random events.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
On the topic of crazy corner cases, I was wondering what happens if a player makes a hidden choice, does it not stay hidden? E.g, a player has two morphs, one of which is Skirk Marauder and one is Scornful Egotist. The opponent has a Shock and a Thallid. Do you get to Shock the Marauder?
We also saw a similar situation with Innocent Blood last week, though that was a public choice. If the card in question was instead "each player discards a card", then the second choice would have to be made without knowledge of the first. Do we just remove the ability to make hidden choices?
There is no hidden choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
Everything is known.
If someone plays a card that is unknown (morph for example), we consider the best line and decide which creature has been played. Same for any choice that is taken after.
Actually, the hidden cards are also known, because we have perfect information, so you can deduct what card it is from which cards remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
But you're right about choosing. There is none. We find optimal lines, and random effects always suit the opponent's optimal line of play.
It can happen that a certain line uses outcome X for a coin flip, but later we find a better line of play, which requires the coin flip to end up as Y.
In that case, the coin flip will end up as Y, because that served the optimal line of play for the opponent.
Deadline has passed, and it looks like I'm missing Gobbo and FTW.
I have an insane day at work (we're organizing an online conference and I'm in charge of tech), so I'll probably only be able to post decks tonight.
So I can give you an additional 6-ish hours.
I forgot to mention it earlier, but as someone who often double checks his submissions multiple times, I am absolutely on board with being named if/when my submission is missing.
PS: Deckbox seems to be down, which is a little awkward, but not actually a problem.
Still no entries by FTW or GoblinSmashmaster, but I can't wait forever.
I'll see if I can launch the round in the next hour and a bit.
If I still see an entry, I'll add it. If not, we'll have to go without two regulars for once.
Could we do something (for now or after) as "if someone did not submit in time, (s)he is attributed its last non-banned deck"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
That would maybe allow for Asthereal and others to not have to wait, and for the ones unable to hold a deadline to still be in the race?
We could, but we should agree on such things before starting the competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
If we introduce it now, someone could complain that we didn't have this in a previous round where he/she had no time to send an entry.
So I fear I'll have to post without them.
We do, however, have a new player. Welcome, jhhdk, to our little competition of chaos! :smile:
DECKS FOR ROUND 9 OF SEASON 8: Peasant Continued Bannathon
1. Asthereal (TO): Mountain, Chronomaton, Forge Devil, Karplusan Wolverine
2. dte: Mishra's Factory, Swamp, Deathspore Thallid, mesmeric fiend
3. Reeplcheep: Island, Chronomaton, Mistblade Shinobi, Wingcrafter
4. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Blossoming Sands, Tidehollow Sculler, Putrid Leech
5. alphastryk: Mountain, Mountain, Fireslinger, Goblin Cratermaker
6. H: Island, Mishra's Factory, Faerie Duelist, Force Spike
7. maxx!: Mishra’s Factory, Mountain, Bladeback Sliver, Cleansing Wildfire
8. silkster: Plains, Duergar Assailant, Brass Man, Swords to Plowshares
9. Tylert: Swamp, Chronomaton, Wretched banquet, Unearth
10. jhhdk: Tinder Farm, Boros Garrison, Village Ironsmith, Tormented Pariah
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
We also have a new Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
(PS. Anyone know why card tags have died? This is somewhat inconvenient.)
Deckbox.org seems to be deadQuote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Honestly, the tags should have been switched to Scryfall/Gatherer a while ago, but the issue is having the code to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
4. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Blossoming Sands, Tidehollow Sculler, Putrid Leech
1. Asthereal (TO): Mountain, Chronomaton, Forge Devil, Karplusan Wolverine LL
2. dte: Mishra's Factory, Swamp, Deathspore Thallid, mesmeric fiend LL
3. Reeplcheep: Island, Chronomaton, Mistblade Shinobi, Wingcrafter LL
5. alphastryk: Mountain, Mountain, Fireslinger, Goblin Cratermaker WW
6. H: Island, Mishra's Factory, Faerie Duelist, Force Spike LL
7. maxx!: Mishra’s Factory, Mountain, Bladeback Sliver, Cleansing Wildfire DL
8. silkster: Plains, Duergar Assailant, Brass Man, Swords to Plowshares WW
9. Tylert: Swamp, Chronomaton, Wretched banquet, Unearth LL
10. jhhdk: Tinder Farm, Boros Garrison, Village Ironsmith, Tormented Pariah WW
6w1d = 19 points
Probably should not have submitted something that autolost to Chronomaton, that would have been wise. Now I am about to see how I match up against American Thanksgiving, I don't think I stand a chance.
Poor timing, as we're now constantly playing cards I need to look up. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert